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Chainshot said:
Looked in on the Pens-Panthers game and feel like Florida is just going to roll over Buffalo.
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Maybe Florida will tire themselves out with how badly they're kicking the Pens around.

Then they'll have nothing left in the tank for us for tomorrow night..............





Yeah, we're gonna get curb-stomped tomorrow.
 
Zman5778 said:
Maybe Florida will tire themselves out with how badly they're kicking the Pens around.

Then they'll have nothing left in the tank for us for tomorrow night..............





Yeah, we're gonna get curb-stomped tomorrow.
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At least they usually rise to meet the league's best so we'll have to see. But Florida is physically aggressive and plays in the paint... things Buffalo does not seem to handle well.

Maybe they will have tired arms by the end of this game in Pittsburgh, or some mild sunburn from all the red lights.
 
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Chainshot said:
At least they usually rise to meet the league's best so we'll have to see. But Florida is physically aggressive and plays in the paint... things Buffalo does not seem to handle well.

Maybe they will have tired arms by the end of this game in Pittsburgh, or some mild sunburn from all the red lights.
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Plus, Florida's PP uses that play that brutalizes our PK -- that stupid little dinky pass to the bumper that Sam is just refusing to miss on right now.
 
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Plus, Florida's PP uses that play that brutalizes our PK -- that stupid little dinky pass to the bumper that Sam is just refusing to miss on right now.
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Tkachuk to Reinhart is deadly. Wish there was anyone on the Sabres staff who would look at restoring some low plays around the net on the PP.
 
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Wish there was anyone on the Sabres staff who would look at restoring some low plays around the net on the PP.
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Oh c'mon now. If there's one guy who can assuredly get a PP in perfect working condition, it's the offensive dynamo known as Matt Ellis. You don't get almost 50 career NHL points without knowing your way around a PP.
 
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'It's a dumb league': Flyers' John Tortorella shares thoughts on young NHLers

Framed around Saturday's Ridly Greig empty-net slap shot and Morgan Rielly's violent response to such disrespect, the head coach of the Philadelphia Flyers was asked Thursday morning for his take on hockey's cultural shift when it comes to the influx of brash new youth.
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"I think that's where the athletes have changed. They have entourages around them that I think direct them the wrong way. And the hierarchy of a room, the hierarchy of what it is to be a pro, the process you have to go through as a pro, I think, is lost a little bit with the athlete now. And it's something I miss terribly in being in the league for so long, seeing where it's gone to now.

"Great athletes. Great skill. Great speed. But the mental and the understanding what it is to be a pro and respecting the National Hockey League, that's where I have some struggles."
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I cannot imagine the quotes if Torts was the Sabres coach.
 
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'It's a dumb league': Flyers' John Tortorella shares thoughts on young NHLers

Framed around Saturday's Ridly Greig empty-net slap shot and Morgan Rielly's violent response to such disrespect, the head coach of the Philadelphia Flyers was asked Thursday morning for his take on hockey's cultural shift when it comes to the influx of brash new youth.
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I cannot imagine the quotes if Torts was the Sabres coach.
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Imagine respecting the league so much you hide beer in the penalty box. Or smoke in the hallway behind the bench during the game, not just during intermission. Or you bonk a teammate's significant other. Or do a lot of coke because you were told it would help your sinuses. Or spend an entire night drinking at the disco. Or could slap a fan who said something mean to you about how badly your team was playing.

It's like we forget all the shitty things people used to do because it's not the same as "when it was better".
 
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Chainshot said:
Imagine respecting the league so much you hide beer in the penalty box. Or smoke in the hallway behind the bench during the game, not just during intermission. Or you bonk a teammate's significant other. Or do a lot of coke because you were told it would help your sinuses. Or spend an entire night drinking at the disco. Or could slap a fan who said something mean to you about how badly your team was playing.

It's like we forget all the shitty things people used to do because it's not the same as "when it was better".
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People as a whole just meld into different shades of "dumb" over time and culture shifts.
 
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Chainshot said:
Imagine respecting the league so much you hide beer in the penalty box. Or smoke in the hallway behind the bench during the game, not just during intermission. Or you bonk a teammate's significant other. Or do a lot of coke because you were told it would help your sinuses. Or spend an entire night drinking at the disco. Or could slap a fan who said something mean to you about how badly your team was playing.

It's like we forget all the shitty things people used to do because it's not the same as "when it was better".
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I’m thinking there is a bot of truth in both. I watch a lot of amateur hockey. Play occasionally in a geezer pick up league and spend time around the rink. Things have changed dramatically over the years. 50 years ago the key was finding ice. After the organized team activities we all went to open skate, or met up on a frozen pond for shinny. All ages. We walked to the open air rinks in Caz and Houghton parks. Skill growth was a component of how much time on ice and repetitions one could get. And no one would think of trying a Michigan unless you were absolutely sure you could pull it off and would answer the bell if someone took umbrage at being schooled.

Now the rinks have “performance” studios, skills development offices, VR training centers and many are individual based. If parents have the means, the kids have access to training never dreamed of before. Bit they learn these skills in the context of “their” game not a team focus. You can see the difference between the kids that can take advantage of these resources and those that can’t. You can also see it in the crowd that follows the teams.

Long winded way of stating the game has gone from one for the masses ( though it was always expensive) to one on par with skiing or golf. Expensive to enter and more expensive to gain the skill to be a professional at it. The attitude of entitlement and privilege follows. I went to a u14 tourney over xmas and was astonished of the lack of cohesiveness of the majority of teams until I was informed that most were put together the week before from all over the country. Most had never played together in a league setting. They were 14 yo barnstormers. I get what Torts is saying. I also think most fans who are not involved in youth hockey fail to realize that the NA kids are seldom your working class heroes who rose to the top, but privileged kids who feel entitled to success because that is all they know. That is a broad brush admittedly, but I do not see it changing. The cost of entry is only going u. There will be no Joe Mullins from Hell’s Kitchen learning on roller skates and getting a scholarship to BC and the HOF. Different times indeed.
 
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I’m thinking there is a bot of truth in both. I watch a lot of amateur hockey. Play occasionally in a geezer pick up league and spend time around the rink. Things have changed dramatically over the years. 50 years ago the key was finding ice. After the organized team activities we all went to open skate, or met up on a frozen pond for shinny. All ages. We walked to the open air rinks in Caz and Houghton parks. Skill growth was a component of how much time on ice and repetitions one could get. And no one would think of trying a Michigan unless you were absolutely sure you could pull it off and would answer the bell if someone took umbrage at being schooled.

Now the rinks have “performance” studios, skills development offices, VR training centers and many are individual based. If parents have the means, the kids have access to training never dreamed of before. Bit they learn these skills in the context of “their” game not a team focus. You can see the difference between the kids that can take advantage of these resources and those that can’t. You can also see it in the crowd that follows the teams.

Long winded way of stating the game has gone from one for the masses ( though it was always expensive) to one on par with skiing or golf. Expensive to enter and more expensive to gain the skill to be a professional at it. The attitude of entitlement and privilege follows. I went to a u14 tourney over xmas and was astonished of the lack of cohesiveness of the majority of teams until I was informed that most were put together the week before from all over the country. Most had never played together in a league setting. They were 14 yo barnstormers. I get what Torts is saying. I also think most fans who are not involved in youth hockey fail to realize that the NA kids are seldom your working class heroes who rose to the top, but privileged kids who feel entitled to success because that is all they know. That is a broad brush admittedly, but I do not see it changing. The cost of entry is only going u. There will be no Joe Mullins from Hell’s Kitchen learning on roller skates and getting a scholarship to BC and the HOF. Different times indeed.
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All true - when my eldest was involved, it was a stretch for me at the time to underwrite my ex’s various businesses, do needed home renovations and have my son in mites at the same time. The best players at age four and five were already going to skills camps and getting extra training. That part? Sure.

That somehow players “back in the day” were paragons of righteousness though, that they did things the “right way”? That part is odd. There was a lot of unseemly behavior that many were not privy to as was the case in many areas somehow put forward as “wholesome”.
 
Chainshot said:
All true - when my eldest was involved, it was a stretch for me at the time to underwrite my ex’s various businesses, do needed home renovations and have my son in mites at the same time. The best players at age four and five were already going to skills camps and getting extra training. That part? Sure.

That somehow players “back in the day” were paragons of righteousness though, that they did things the “right way”? That part is odd. There was a lot of unseemly behavior that many were not privy to as was the case in many areas somehow put forward as “wholesome”.
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Agreed. I am an example of someone who is not a paragon of virtue. Won a lot of games though. Did what the coach asked. Learned from those around me. As I said I get both sides.
 
It's baseball, but hockey - but this is a preview of what the Fanatics jerseys will be like when they take over in the NHL next year. The MLB players hate the new Nike/Fanatics jerseys as much as the fans. Even the union is getting involved.

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MLB players dressing down Nike, Fanatics over new uniforms that look 'like a replica'

An airing of sartorial grievances that began at Miles Mikolas’ locker in the Cardinals complex has quickly spread across the baseball world.
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It's baseball, but hockey - but this is a preview of what the Fanatics jerseys will be like when they take over in the NHL next year. The MLB players hate the new Nike/Fanatics jerseys as much as the fans. Even the union is getting involved.

theathletic.com

MLB players dressing down Nike, Fanatics over new uniforms that look 'like a replica'

An airing of sartorial grievances that began at Miles Mikolas’ locker in the Cardinals complex has quickly spread across the baseball world.
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Full Costanza
 
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Chainshot said:
Imagine respecting the league so much you hide beer in the penalty box. Or smoke in the hallway behind the bench during the game, not just during intermission. Or you bonk a teammate's significant other. Or do a lot of coke because you were told it would help your sinuses. Or spend an entire night drinking at the disco. Or could slap a fan who said something mean to you about how badly your team was playing.

It's like we forget all the shitty things people used to do because it's not the same as "when it was better".
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Great post.

With what Torts is talking about, I use a lot of military training methods with my son. A saying my community has is “amateurs advertise.” I reinforce that a lot.
 
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