Around the NHL - Episode XLV III - BEAST MODE ANDY
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And if you go by PPG, Balcers is 7th, Donato is 8th and Karlsson 9th (yes it hurts to see EK's decline)
Balcers is also first in TKA/60 (well behind Jaros but he only played 4 games)
Balcers is also 2nd in Hits/60 behind Noah Gregor (and a few guys who only played a few games)
3rd in BKS/60 among forwards
Among the 13 Sharks forwards who played at least 100 minutes at ES :
4th in CF%, 2nd in SF%, 1st in GF%, 1st in xGF%, 2nd in SCF%, 1st in HDCF%
Quite impressive.
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Sens of Anarchy
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If you told me this is the guy who can come and help you set up your still.. I'd believe you
JungleBeat
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Another hatty for Zibanejad. Fox is a special player.
That’s a quick turnaround for the Rangers, their GM did an alright job.
That’s a quick turnaround for the Rangers, their GM did an alright job.
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Wow people thought Zibanejad was a fluke last year.
But now he has 42 points in his last 32 games.
But now he has 42 points in his last 32 games.
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Parlayed into Gustavsson, JBD and Sogaard not to mention the team that included Brassard produced the second best playoff run in franchise history.
Gustavsson, JBD and Tychonick you mean. And we also gave up our 2018 2nd in the deal that turned into Berggren.
Spin it however you want, it's one of the worst trades of the 21st century thus far.
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You're speaking in hyperbole of course but sure, in a vacuum it doesn't look great. In the big picture of netting a franchise goalie and an unbelievable playoff run (which isn't guaranteed if you undo the trade) it isn't such a terrible blemish. The pieces haven't played out yet so it can't be fully measured.
meh rangers also have the advantage that so many players want to play in New York. Fox and Panarin seem franchise altering
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It is in hindsight. However, had we won the Cup with Brassard scoring the GWG...
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Maybe we would have won the cup that year with Zibanejad scoring the game winning goal. He did, after all, have a higher PPG than Brassard in the playoffs that year.
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Everyone would. His point is the trade is no longer simply "Zibanejad for Brassard" but rather we have 3 young players in the organization that are directly linked to that trade.
SensHulk
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As others have mentioned, even with those pieces I would rather have a 1C that Zibanejad has turned into. Brassard was severely underwhelming and IMO wasn’t a factor in the playoffs where I thought he’d shine. The dude got gift wrapped a goal by Karlsson and then had a flukey bounce to tie the game in game 5 vs the rangers. Seeing what zibanejad has turned into makes it even tougher pill to swallow on a pretty decent contract
Adele Dazeem
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We'll never know
I never thought Zib would be this successful (stat wise). Honestly, I still believe he's near PPG because of the guys he's currently playing with. He never seemed like he would develop to a 1C; I felt similarly to how some people now think White has no chance of developing to a decent 2c, let alone a 1c.
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As much as I miss Zibby and wish he was still a Senator. It is all water under the bridge now. It is time to move on.
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I'm not denying that we lost the trade, it looks especially bad in hindsight. What I am refuting is that people tend to measure it in a light that is particularly unflattering for Dorion, as a 1 to 1, which is wrong. The complete ripple effect of that trade has not played out and Dorion might very well deserve a modicum of credit by the time all is said and done.
We have prospects as a result of it that are still developing and could emerge nicely. If Gus in particular turns into a solid starting goalie in the NHL and gives us several good years (or if heavens forbid he emerges as an elite talent) that will be big, especially considering our inability as a franchise to groom a homegrown starter.
If JBD emerges as a top 4 defensemen that is another valuable asset that adds some balance to the trade. Sogaard has potential as well.
I won't necessarily suggest that you should trade a #1C for a starting goalie and a top 4 d man but when looked at that way it isn't so lop sided. And what if, heaven's forbid, those two emerge as excellent players- a top 5 goalie and a top pairing D man for example? That scenario is not entirely unlikely at this point so why do people act like they aren't factors and take all possible credit away from Dorion?
People love to harp on PD's trade record like a sport but to add fodder to their own debate they seem to ignore the big picture.
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I might be a bit more comfortable if the GM who thought it was a good idea wasn't around any more.
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