Around The NHL Discussion 2018-2019 - Part IV

[Xerloris]

Call me crazy but I wouldn’t give Skinner 9 million per season.

I may be wrong but I don't think most of the players making 9 mill deserve it. I think only a handful really do.

 

[Davimir Tarablad]

Call me crazy but I wouldn’t give Skinner 9 million per season.

Not at all. He's a 35 goal 60 point player who plays mediocre at best defense, and rode an unsustainable shooting % in the first two months (20 goals in first 27 games shooting 24% vs 20 goals in last 55 games shooting 10.8%) to a new career high in goals. He's worth maybe a touch over 7mil given what Kane/Pacioretty got, but certainly not 9mil.

Unfortunately for Buffalo, they're basically forced to give him that because they can't afford to lose that sort of talent on their roster.

 

[Stupendous Yappi]

Not at all. He's a 35 goal 60 point player who plays mediocre at best defense, and rode an unsustainable shooting % in the first two months (20 goals in first 27 games shooting 24% vs 20 goals in last 55 games shooting 10.8%) to a new career high in goals.

Buffalo’s GM is under some pressure right now. He’s going to overpay here, but the alternative is to have an O’Reilly shaped hole in the roster become the main subject of attention ther and nothing positive to show for it (such as how he obtained a prime aged goal scorer in Skinner). Personally, I think Skinner will not live up to that contract.

 

[simon IC]

That contract is horrible! If I were a Buffalo fan, I would be calling for Botterill's head on a platter! He has made some very questionable decisions concerning personel this season.

 

[yogintheaveragebears]

I was going to post this on the main boards but decided I’d rather eat my fellow blues fans comments rather than the entire league but I’m starting to think no one has actually played hockey on this site. Between the initiations and drugs the only thing that surprises me about the Kuzy video is that there is a video

 

[David Dennison]

Worse deal, Skinner @ 9m or that proposed Minnesota-Pitt deal (from Minnesota perspective)?

 

[Stupendous Yappi]

Worse deal, Skinner @ 9m or that proposed Minnesota-Pitt deal (from Minnesota perspective)?

The Minnesota deal is worse. At least Skinner has already integrated into their locker room and performed well. I just don’t see him maintaining production to warrant that over the term.

 

[Majorityof1]

Call me crazy but I wouldn’t give Skinner 9 million per season.

Skinner would be a good signing, as I would like another solid top 6 goal scorer. But its not worth breaking the bank for him when we have Schenn and Pietrangelo to fit in next year. $9M is too high for a guy with a career high 63 points. If he scored 40 G among those 60 points its fine, but he has scored 30+ only only 4 out of his 9 years. He's not quite Tarasenko or Ovechkin's level and $9m is a lot for a winger. He also does not play our game. He is often unwilling to go after pucks in the trenches and forecheck. He's much better at transition offense.

 

[MissouriMook]

Skinner would be a good signing, as I would like another solid top 6 goal scorer. But its not worth breaking the bank for him when we have Schenn and Pietrangelo to fit in next year. $9M is too high for a guy with a career high 63 points. If he scored 40 G among those 60 points its fine, but he has scored 30+ only only 4 out of his 9 years. He's not quite Tarasenko or Ovechkin's level and $9m is a lot for a winger. He also does not play our game. He is often unwilling to go after pucks in the trenches and forecheck. He's much better at transition offense.

Skinner at Tarasenko money given that Tarasenko usually puts up more points but the cap economics have lifted salaries in the last 4 years would seem reasonable. Anything north of $7.5M is an overpayment to me, and anything more than 5 years is asking for trouble. With his history, and playing a game that doesn't offer much if the scoring dries up, I would run not walk from 8/$72M for this particular player.

 

[Ranksu]

And my gold team favorite player goes Dallas Joel Kiviranta.

God damnit

 

[Spektre]

Toronto has never ending drama. Babcock has some of the most talent in the league and squanders it. I’ve never been impressed with Babcock. He was gifted an all star team to Detroit. They probably could have won a Cup without any coaching.

 

[Stupendous Yappi]

Is this how people reacted to the Kings’ runs? They played a bruising physical style with sharp goaltending. It’s not the exact same formula for the Blues, but the checking is similar. I can’t remember this much whining about the physical play EVER before.

 

[Dbrownss]

Is this how people reacted to the Kings’ runs? They played a bruising physical style with sharp goaltending. It’s not the exact same formula for the Blues, but the checking is similar. I can’t remember this much whining about the physical play EVER before.

What's awesome is how everyone was crying because the league was getting too soft.

If the Blues road to a Championship has a few corpses here and there....oh well.

 

[Stupendous Yappi]

I think there is some fear there.

 

[BlueDream]

The Blues are flat out playing mean and I love it. They aren’t taking anyone’s shit.

Let people whine. This is the playoffs. I’d rather be the aggressor than the victim.

 

[simon IC]

This is also interesting in light of the skill vs tuffness debates that went on here. (Which in retrospect were kind of silly, as we all know they are not mutually exclusive). I give credit to Armstrong here. He correctly identified the Blues need for more skill and addressed it, but at the same time kept some grit. We now have an incredible combination of skill, speed and sandpaper that has brought us to the SCF. What a team he has assembled! Interestingly, Boston has followed the same route. It is all about balance.

 

[Bye Bye Blueston]

In what world is Skinner worth $72mm?

 

[Dbrownss]

In what world is Skinner worth $72mm?

The world that traded Ryan O'Reilly for a 1st+2nd+Thompson+cap dumps

 

[Davimir Tarablad]

Buffalo painted themselves into a corner with that contract, but they only have 3 top 6 forwards including Skinner

 

[TheDizee]

the sabres GM really is a moron

9 MILLION 63 POINTS LOL

 

[simon IC]

I feel bad for Sabres fans. Botterill is an idiot.

 

[Spektre]

Buffalo painted themselves into a corner with that contract, but they only have 3 top 6 forwards including Skinner

I somewhat agree Buffalo painted themselves into by trading ROR but signing Skinner for 9 million per season is ludicrous. I honestly thought Panarin was right around the 9 million mark even though he might get 10. What’s his ask going to be now 15? Does Marner ask for 15?

I get the salary cap goes up but it’s just a bad deal value wise

 

[JoshFromMO]

I somewhat agree Buffalo painted themselves into by trading ROR but signing Skinner for 9 million per season is ludicrous. I honestly thought Panarin was right around the 9 million mark even though he might get 10. What’s his ask going to be now 15? Does Marner ask for 15?

I get the salary cap goes up but it’s just a bad deal value wise

I think Marners camp is pushing Mathews money minimum

 

[Stupendous Yappi]

I can’t figure out what Buffalo is doing, but Minnesota is even more perplexing.

 

[Bye Bye Blueston]

I can’t figure out what Buffalo is doing, but Minnesota is even more perplexing.

We are so lucky to have Army. Obviously not all of his moves worked out the way we wanted, but he has consistently done a great job of identifying our weaknesses and making moves to try to address them, taken a proactive approach to balance future needs against present, and managed the salary cap responsibly. Regardless of what happens over next few days, he is one of the best.