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[PaulPooley]

Join the masses being sucked in again by Matthews and the Leafs looking great when the pressure is low. Come playoffs they choke.

Hate the Leafs, but this could be the year they finally win a round or two…

 

[Jets]

Matthews has 56 in his 6th season? Psssh. Teemu had 76 as a rookie.

 

[FonRiesen]

Sportsnet breaking down Matthews changing his shirt in 3 different articles.

Is it just me or does 55 goals in a season seem like a weak record for a 100 year old franchise?

It's a weak record for any franchise. Edmonton 92 (the Great One)
StL 86 (Hull)
Pitts 85 (Super Mario)
Boston & Buffalo & Wpg 76 (Esposito, Mogilny & our Finnish Flash)
LA 70 (Nicholls),
NYI 68 (Bossy)
Calgary 66 (McDonald),
Detroit & Caps 65 (Yzerman & Ovie)
Philly 61 (Leach - apparently from Riverton, MB)
Montreal 60 (Lafleur & Schutt), Vancouver (Bure) & TBL (Stamkos)
Québec 59 (Goulet)

Then a whole bunch at 56.

 

[nobody imp0rtant]

It's a weak record for any franchise. Edmonton 92 (the Great One)
StL 86 (Hull)
Pitts 85 (Super Mario)
Boston & Buffalo & Wpg 76 (Esposito, Mogilny & our Finnish Flash)
LA 70 (Nicholls),
NYI 68 (Bossy)
Calgary 66 (McDonald),
Detroit & Caps 65 (Yzerman & Ovie)
Philly 61 (Leach - apparently from Riverton, MB)
Montreal 60 (Lafleur & Schutt), Vancouver (Bure) & TBL (Stamkos)
Québec 59 (Goulet)

Then a whole bunch at 56.

Ignoring the "whole bunch" at 56, which we can assume he will finish above, only Ovie and Stamkos are directly comparable. The rest need era adjustment. Scoring used to be a whole lot easier to do.

 

[FonRiesen]

Ignoring the "whole bunch" at 56, which we can assume he will finish above, only Ovie and Stamkos are directly comparable. The rest need era adjustment. Scoring used to be a whole lot easier to do.

Toronto played in all of those past eras. I'm talking about the franchise record, not about Matthews.

(So I was supporting @RabidOne's post with some data, that's all)

 

[RabidOne]

Ignoring the "whole bunch" at 56, which we can assume he will finish above, only Ovie and Stamkos are directly comparable. The rest need era adjustment. Scoring used to be a whole lot easier to do.

Yep, it used to be. Which is why a 55 goal season as the best goal scoring season for a franchise that was around “when goal scoring was a whole lot easier” seems really weak.

 

[nobody imp0rtant]

Toronto played in all of those past eras. I'm talking about the franchise record, not about Matthews.

(So I was supporting @RabidOne's post with some data, that's all)

And I'm arguing that it's not weak. Just because Toronto was "late to the party" in acquiring a generational scorer should not diminish what has been accomplished. You era adjust all the other franchise records to the current year (I'm sure there is a formula for doing that), then I think Toronto fares quite well. This whole "weak" thing is just presenting as the usual anti-Leafs bullshit that is so prevalent here.

 

[sipowicz]

Cam Smith with the best mullet on the PGA Tour!

 

[sipowicz]

Cam Smith really is Joe Dirt!

 

[DRW204]

I don't care if it's not in his teams first 50 gp of the year

The potential of Matthews being this close to potting 50 in the last 50 gp is remarkable.

Edit: and there it is
51 in 50

 

[RabidOne]

And I'm arguing that it's not weak. Just because Toronto was "late to the party" in acquiring a generational scorer should not diminish what has been accomplished. You era adjust all the other franchise records to the current year (I'm sure there is a formula for doing that), then I think Toronto fares quite well. This whole "weak" thing is just presenting as the usual anti-Leafs bullshit that is so prevalent here.

Nope it is weak. TO has 4 players with more than 50 goals. Rick Vaive, Gary Leeman and Dave Andreychuk, plus Matthews.
Their contemporaries either had more 50 goal seasons, higher goal totals or more players with 50+.
It points to underwhelming teams, scouting, mgmt etc.
Pointing out facts doesnt make it “anti-leafs bullshit”. Unless of course you don't like facts?

 

[SUX2BU]

Oh goody

Ottawa and Toilet seats lose tonight

Our next two opponents on a back to back

 

[RabidOne]

Apparently the Rangers are even worse. Only 3 players in their history to hit 50 and each one only once, ouch! Jets 1.0 had 3 50 goal scorers in about 20 years of existence. Rangers had a 50 year head start on the Jets!

 

[nobody imp0rtant]

Nope it is weak. TO has 4 players with more than 50 goals. Rick Vaive, Gary Leeman and Dave Andreychuk, plus Matthews.
Their contemporaries either had more 50 goal seasons, higher goal totals or more players with 50+.
It points to underwhelming teams, scouting, mgmt etc.
Pointing out facts doesnt make it “anti-leafs bullshit”. Unless of course you don't like facts?

Apparently the Rangers are even worse. Only 3 players in their history to hit 50 and each one only once, ouch! Jets 1.0 had 3 50 goal scorers in about 20 years of existence. Rangers had a 50 year head start on the Jets!

Now you're shifting the discussion into the quantity of franchise high scoring players. The original topic was about each franchise's record setter. Speaking of which, our current franchise's(Thrashers/Jets) top gun is Kovalchuk with 52. So, I guess we're even weaker than Toronto.

 

[JetsFan815]

If only the lottery had gone had slightly different in 2016 and we got Matthews instead of Laine, I honestly think we would have the won the cup in 2018 or 2019.

In hindsight, insane to remember all the Laine supporters here claim that he was better than Matthews.

 

[RabidOne]

Now you're shifting the discussion into the quantity of franchise high scoring players. The original topic was about each franchise's record setter. Speaking of which, our current franchise's(Thrashers/Jets) top gun is Kovalchuk with 52. So, I guess we're even weaker than Toronto.

We are when it comes to quantity. Jets have 3, TO has 4. Except Selanne got 76 and Toronto’s current best is a few less.
Certainly you can discount Jets 1.0, but then you must be really young or just being difficult.
And of course each franchises best season scorer if you discount Jets 1.0 leaves us with Kovalchuk….
But how you can argue that Toronto’s best single season goal scoring record isnt weak when other teams with way shorter histories have 60 and 70 goal scorers is a bit, ummm unusual?

 

[ps241]

Matthew’s is having an insane season. Hard to believe if that bingo ball would have landed with us we might have a cup. So close. I know people here can’t stand the leafs but I love watching Matthews play. Maybe the purest shooter since Mike Bossy IMO.

Ducks and runs for cover

 

[rubikscube]

There's still the sect destroying the CBJ board with their delusions about Laine. They're just plain clueless.

Guy is on a 10 game goalless drought again. Who could have seen this coming?

Awesome second liner and elite PP specialist, yes. Play driving top line, franchise player. Not even close and never will be.

 

[ps241]

There's still the sect destroying the CBJ board with their delusions about Laine. They're just plain clueless.

Guy is on a 10 game goalless drought again. Who could have seen this coming?

Awesome second liner and elite PP specialist, yes. Play driving top line, franchise player. Not even close and never will be.

I am glad that bizarre cult is no longer hijacking our board. I appreciated Laine but the Lainiacs were nuts and should f*** off to the main board where they belong and leave team sites alone. We are already dysfunctional we didn’t need them to make it worse.

 

[ecemleafs]

We are when it comes to quantity. Jets have 3, TO has 4. Except Selanne got 76 and Toronto’s current best is a few less.
Certainly you can discount Jets 1.0, but then you must be really young or just being difficult.
And of course each franchises best season scorer if you discount Jets 1.0 leaves us with Kovalchuk….
But how you can argue that Toronto’s best single season goal scoring record isnt weak when other teams with way shorter histories have 60 and 70 goal scorers is a bit, ummm unusual?

you can throw out pretty much every season before 1970 though because only hull, richard, and geoffrion hit 50 goals cuz they played less games. if u didnt have a truly elite goal scorer from basically 75-97 your team wont have 60+ a year goal scorers in their history.

 

[tbcwpg]

Matthew’s is having an insane season. Hard to believe if that bingo ball would have landed with us we might have a cup. So close. I know people here can’t stand the leafs but I love watching Matthews play. Maybe the purest shooter since Mike Bossy IMO.

Ducks and runs for cover

I love watching them. I've watched almost every game of theirs this season. Never boring at least.

 

[bustamente]

We took offence when everyone called Laine a one trick pony, it turns out that if he isn't scoring he doesn't do much on the ice so I guess they were right. Columbus has a major problem with what to do with him as there fans were ready to back up the cash truck when he was on a heater a month back, wonder if they feel the same way now. On a somewhat related note Roslovic scored a hat trick last night

 

[cbcwpg]

Vancouver on a 3 game winning streak. 9 games left 4 points back... they have a game against Vegas and Dallas coming up.... not impossible, probably not going to make it, but exciting anyways to be part of the wild card race.

Who knew that winning games was important to stay in the race. Obviously the Jets didn't think so.

Go back to game #25 and ask how many people thought Vancouver at that time would end up finishing the season ahead of the Jets.

 

[PaulPooley]

If only the lottery had gone had slightly different in 2016 and we got Matthews instead of Laine, I honestly think we would have the won the cup in 2018 or 2019.

In hindsight, insane to remember all the Laine supporters here claim that he was better than Matthews.

Laughable in hindsight, but I also remember Gary Lawless opining that Pulijujarvi might just be the smarter pick at number 2 overall.

 

[Imcanadianeh]

Laughable in hindsight, but I also remember Gary Lawless opining that Pulijujarvi might just be the smarter pick at number 2 overall.

Puljujarvi was the consensus number 2 pick for the majority of the season especially after the WJC, in wasn’t until closer to the end up the season that Laine pulled ahead of him.