Around the NHL 2024 - Offseason Moves

[Datsyukian Deke]

Soooooo anyone else hoping the Dead Things come back to earth soon? I know it doesn't matter to the Preds as far as the standing go and all but... old grudges die hard and I'm not ready for those guys to be good again

While I get the old grudge notion, the league itself is better off when teams like them are good.

 

[triggrman]

While I get the old grudge notion, the league itself is better off when teams like them are good.

lol, I agree but.....

We already knew what you thought of this.........

 

[Predsanddead24]

I guess from a money making perspective having the historically good teams be good is a positive for the league, but I personally don't care at all if they are good.

 

[ShagDaddy]

While I get the old grudge notion, the league itself is better off when teams like them are good.

If by “the league” you are referring to Detroit fans, then sure.

 

[herzausstein]

Pinto being suspended for 41 games for sports gambling. There goes any idea of trading for him

 

[Flgatorguy87]

Pinto being suspended for 41 games for sports gambling. There goes any idea of trading for him

Is he still holding out as well? That's pretty brutal timing.

 

[Bringer of Jollity]

If by “the league” you are referring to Detroit fans, then sure.

I highly agree with the notion that the league is better when my favorite teams don't suck.

 

[herzausstein]

Is he still holding out as well? That's pretty brutal timing.

Yep. Means he will have to sign something in order to start his suspension and that he now has less than zero leverage.

Edit:
Actually i guess it doesnt change much after all....

https://x.com/FriedgeHNIC/status/1717567380467990702?s=20

 

[Bringer of Jollity]

I guess from a money making perspective having the historically good teams be good is a positive for the league, but I personally don't care at all if they are good.

Detroit, Boston, Montreal, Chicago, the Rags, Toronto, Edmonton, Pittsburgh could all fall into a ditch and collect bust 1st overalls in perpetuity for all I care and the sport would be as good as it ever was.

 

[Scoresberg]

Look, I understand the tough penalty but at the same time they give only 4 games to a guy who tried to take Laine's head clean off..

 

[wmupreds]

Unless he was throwing games or something, 41 games is ridiculously long.

 

[Predsanddead24]

I mean if you're a player it should be easy enough to not gamble at sports at all so I don't have that much sympathy really. To me the funniest part is that the Sens having a helmet ad for a gambling company. I know its not going to happen because of the money involved but I really wish sports betting would go away.

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

Pinto being suspended for 41 games for sports gambling. There goes any idea of trading for him

I hope the league had previously arranged some VERY serious educational material for the players. They're going all-in on sports gambling promotion as a league, so it's quite a double-standard and they better have spelled that out to the players beforehand.

 

[Predsanddead24]

I highly agree with the notion that the league is better when my favorite teams don't suck.

Yes but we should all really like Detroit because they were good in the past. Don't you get it teams like Detroit will always be ahead of measly expansion teams like us and we should be happy to just get to be in the same league as them.

 

[Bringer of Jollity]

Waiting for more info cause this seems odd.

NHL: "Betting is bad! Brought to you by Draft Kings and Fan Duel!"

 

[Flgatorguy87]

I don't feel bad for him. I have never played any professional sport, but somehow understand that you can't bet on sports if you are a player. He's in a unique position to make life changing money, and instead wants to risk that so he can gamble on games? Seems pretty stupid to me. I get that the NHL is in deep with sports betting apps/sponsors, but why does that factor? It's 2 different conversations at play. 1 don't bet if your a player and 2 a company willing to sponsor us while we simultaneously make money that doesn't impact the first conversation.

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

I don't feel bad for him. I have never played any professional sport, but somehow understand that you can't bet on sports if you are a player. He's in a unique position to make life changing money, and instead wants to risk that so he can gamble on games? Seems pretty stupid to me. I get that the NHL is in deep with sports betting apps/sponsors, but why does that factor? It's 2 different conversations at play. 1 don't bet if your a player and 2 a company willing to sponsor us while we simultaneously make money that doesn't impact the first conversation.

I dunno, it's just that had better have been spelled out very clearly to the players. I don't think having it buried in the CBA or in the fine print on page 17 of the SPC is sufficient. Guys bet on sports. He hasn't earned a lot of money in his career yet, so we're probably not talking major sums. If he's putting money in a fantasy football league, is that sufficient for a 41-game suspension? I'm not sure we'll ever find out what exactly he did, but I'm having a hard time even imagining what kind of bet on an NFL game is worth THAT level of suspension...

 

[Predsanddead24]

I dunno, it's just that had better have been spelled out very clearly to the players. I don't think having it buried in the CBA or in the fine print on page 17 of the SPC is sufficient. Guys bet on sports. He hasn't earned a lot of money in his career yet, so we're probably not talking major sums. If he's putting money in a fantasy football league, is that sufficient for a 41-game suspension? I'm not sure we'll ever find out what exactly he did, but I'm having a hard time even imagine what kind of bet on an NFL game is worth THAT level of suspension...

Capfriendly has him with a career earnings of $2.2M so while maybe not a lot in an NHL sense he has made a ton of money at this point. I guess we will see what the extent of it is but I saw in the ESPN article about this that rules about not gambling are posted in every locker room around the league so he should have been aware of it. I'm generally sympathetic to the fact that these younger guys like Pinto are still kids that have spent their whole life in a weird hockey ecosystem, but it also seems easy enough to me to just not gamble on sports in any form if you're a professional athlete because of the optics of it.

 

[wmupreds]

I don't have to "feel bad" for him to think the suspension is excessive. We'll see what other info comes out though.

 

[herzausstein]

So Pinto didnt bet on NHL games which is what is prohibited via the CBA but the suspension is betting related. Whole thing is odd. 41 games is extremely harsh and it also impacts his bargaining power with Ottawa.

 

[Armourboy]

If he didn't bet on NHL games I don't see it holding up, especially if it's the only stipulation in the CBA.

 

[Predsanddead24]

It's kind of hard for me to have an opinion on whether it was too severe or not given that there aren't many details at this point. They said he didn't bet on a game but there are a large suite of other things hockey related that can be bet on so who knows. There is also some mention of a proxy better so maybe he was providing insider information about the team that wasn't kosher. It was an agreed upon punishment by both parties though which makes me think it isn't some massive overreach by the NHL or anything. Who knows though my general view of the NHL is they are incompetent so it's hard to really give them the benefit of the doubt either.

 

[Armourboy]

Well if he agreed to it then that's on him. Hopefully he was smart enough to get a good lawyer before he did.

 

[Predsanddead24]

Well anyways from our perspective maybe now is a good chance to buy low on him.

 

[Flgatorguy87]

I dunno, it's just that had better have been spelled out very clearly to the players. I don't think having it buried in the CBA or in the fine print on page 17 of the SPC is sufficient. Guys bet on sports. He hasn't earned a lot of money in his career yet, so we're probably not talking major sums. If he's putting money in a fantasy football league, is that sufficient for a 41-game suspension? I'm not sure we'll ever find out what exactly he did, but I'm having a hard time even imagining what kind of bet on an NFL game is worth THAT level of suspension...

I mean, I have never read the CBA, but somehow as random man 30 miles north of Nashville, I am aware that you shouldn't gamble on sports if you are a player?