Around the NHL 2024 - Offseason Moves

[Porter Stoutheart]

Anyway, point being teams can win or lose(/not win a Cup anyway) with big concentrations of large contracts. Again, it all comes down to how well they manage the rest of their budget. I would gladly accept the challenge of building a team around a McDavid/Draisatl duo for 15-20 years. If I didn't win a Cup during that span, wow, that should go down as sheer managerial incompetence.

So far the Oilers have done a fine job of demonstrating sheer managerial incompetence. McDavid has played 9 years in the league so far. They made it to the Finals last season, at last. Adding Ekholm has been huge for them. They still have him, plus I do think they have slightly improved their forward depth since last season as well. So that's a Finals team + improvements already. No reason they shouldn't continue to compete. Well, aside from demonstrating additional levels of managerial incompetence... which is very much a possibility with Bowman on board.

Ekholm and Arvy winning a Cup would be nice.

 

[AtlantaWhaler]

I think the biggest difference in those teams and the Leafs is that those winning teams had a Goalie step up and win some games for them. Chicago also had two decent D-men in Keith and Seabrook while the Pens had Letang and Schultz.

Eh...Hyman was a good 3rd on offence and Bouchard was one of the best D last year.

 

[herzausstein]

McDavid, Draisaitl, Hyman, RNH, Ekholm, Bouchard are all pulling their weight.

Arvidsson will help with the depth if he can stay healthy.

Henrique is a great addition.

Skinner has offense but for a team of already questionable defense... this is a more questionable choice.

Nurse's contract is bad but he is still somewhat useful.

The rest of the defense is a complete hodgepodge of 3rd pairing players and a wildcard in Emberson. They dont have anyone like Broberg ready to step up should injuries occur or the defense struggles.

I mostly like what they did on the offensive side of things but their defense is still weak and i forsee their goalies struggling again. Theyll likely be able to outscore that deficiency more often then not though.

 

[Ben Grimm]

What do you think?

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

What do you think? I say not too shabby.

Yeah, sometimes somebody tries to get "too cute" with one of these lists. Whereas these things instead benefit from more of a broad historic consensus perspective, which I think this list seems to mostly get right. I'm sure some people would nitpick over who the actual #1 goalie of All-Time is, but I think Roy is at least one of the names in the mix, so it's fine.

 

[BigFatCat999]

Yeah, sometimes somebody tries to get "too cute" with one of these lists. Whereas these things instead benefit from more of a broad historic consensus perspective, which I think this list seems to mostly get right. I'm sure some people would nitpick over who the actual #1 goalie of All-Time is, but I think Roy is at least one of the names in the mix, so it's fine.

Mine is a minor nitpick of Hasek vs Roy, but not bad

 

[Bringer of Jollity]

I'd have Ovechkin there over at least Messier, Harvey, or Roy, though I get the latter 2 are there as much to break up the forwardfest as much as anything else.

And I realize they were trying to avoid recency bias but I would have accepted Lidstrom as an alternative defenseman and provably wouldn't have scoffed at Jagr's inclusion as well.

 

[Ben Grimm]

I'd have Ovechkin there over at least Messier, Harvey, or Roy, though I get the latter 2 are there as much to break up the forward fest as much as anything else. And I realize they were trying to avoid recency bias, but I would have accepted Lidstrom as an alternative defenseman and probably wouldn't have scoffed at Jagr's inclusion as well.

Your post is so Cali. OV top 13? I was totally wrong about the list, because I didn't notice all the omissions. The Top Thirteen players in alphabetical order are:

Beliveau,
Bourque,
Crosby,
Gretzky,
Harvey,
Howe,
Hull,
Lemieux,
Lidstrom,
Orr,
Richard,
Roy,
Shore.

 

[Bringer of Jollity]

Your post is so Cali. OV top 13? I was totally wrong about the list, because I didn't notice all the omissions. The Top Thirteen players in alphabetical order are:

Beliveau,
Bourque,
Crosby,
Gretzky,
Harvey,
Howe,
Hull,
Lemieux,
Lidstrom,
Orr,
Richard,
Roy,
Shore.

I'm sorry?

 

[Ben Grimm]

Linda Cohn on journey from goaltending ‘wallflower’ to Kraken star power | Seattle Kraken

Hall of Fame ESPN Sportscenter anchor reflects on lifelong love of hockey, early Seattle television roots and her new role as special host with the Kraken Hockey Network

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The person who's hosted the most Sportscenters ever is working for the Kraken.

 

[Predsanddead24]

Linda Cohn on journey from goaltending ‘wallflower’ to Kraken star power | Seattle Kraken

Hall of Fame ESPN Sportscenter anchor reflects on lifelong love of hockey, early Seattle television roots and her new role as special host with the Kraken Hockey Network

www.nhl.com

The person who's hosted the most Sportscenters ever is working for the Kraken.

Man I really miss old sportscenter. I used to just watch it on repeat when I was a kid.

 

[herzausstein]

So RyJo was waived almost a month ago (Aug. 20) but i dont think his contract has been terminated yet. I believe they have 30 days or they will have to rewaive him where he will just pass through again... just wonder what the holdup is or if theyre backing off


Edit: nvrmind seems like the flyers think the contract has been terminated.

https://x.com/i/web/status/1836053240435060833

 

[ILikeItILoveIt]

Doesn't the NHL need to decide how this affects the Flyers and Preds? It's fine for the Flyers to consider the contract terminated. I guess that means they stop paying RyJo. What next? RyJo would then have to sue the Flyers? Is this a civil matter or an internal NHL matter that could later turn into a civil matter? In the meantime, if the NHL doesn't rule on the immediate effects of this "termination", the Preds will not be able to take advantage of the Cap space. If it takes a season to resolve, and the contract turns out to be truly terminated, then the Preds can't go back in time and leverage that cap space.

Has anyone seen any guidance from the NHL on this?

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

Doesn't the NHL need to decide how this affects the Flyers and Preds? It's fine for the Flyers to consider the contract terminated. I guess that means they stop paying RyJo. What next? RyJo would then have to sue the Flyers? Is this a civil matter or an internal NHL matter that could later turn into a civil matter? In the meantime, if the NHL doesn't rule on the immediate effects of this "termination", the Preds will not be able to take advantage of the Cap space. If it takes a season to resolve, and the contract turns out to be truly terminated, then the Preds can't go back in time and leverage that cap space.

Has anyone seen any guidance from the NHL on this?

I have seen RyJo's agent statement that they intend to file a grievance. Which apparently they have 60 days to do. So in this case, it will be the NHLPA filing with the league and against the Flyers. I presume they are still in the stage of "putting their case together", gathering the necessary supporting documentation, medical records, third-party diagnoses, etc to include with the filing.

They apparently still have until October 20th to officially file. And then there will be some form of mediation process per the CBA. So it could certainly drag out for another few months.

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

In terms of how it affects us and the Flyers... maybe technically until the 60 days is up, both teams could consider the contract terminated, make roster moves or enter their season-opening Cap numbers accordingly as if he was terminated. It probably wouldn't be very smart to do that, however, given the notice of intention to file a grievance and the possibility the termination could be overturned?

I imagine it doesn't realistically affect the Flyers very much, since Johansen would just be on LTIR anyway if the contract was reinstated, and they will already have budgeted for that outcome. It affects us more, but Trotz is just going to have to wait it out.

I'm going to guess teams wouldn't terminate a contract lightly, they must think they have a pretty solid case? So the odds of the termination being upheld are probably pretty good?

 

[Viqsi]

Honestly, I think it's safest to assume we don't have that cap space until we explicitly hear otherwise.

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

Honestly, I think it's safest to assume we don't have that cap space until we explicitly hear otherwise.

Yes, we are already going to be capped out at a 13/7/2 22-man roster. Spending $4M more (it would likely have to be via acquiring a player in a trade at this point, I don't think there are any free agents left who would command that kind of money) would be risky.

If Johansen wins his case, then we'd have to immediately jettison that extra $4M worth of acquired Cap space. But how? NHL contracts are guaranteed, so you couldn't just cancel the new guy's deal, and nobody else in the league is going to help you out of a jam without some form of expensive bribe attached.

So I can't see how it would be worth the risk. You'd really have to firmly believe the Flyers have an airtight case, at least. Which if the "wedding dance" story is really the thing, that would not seem at all airtight?

 

[herzausstein]

I dont think we will be adding anyone in the short term. We can run 22 man roster and be under the cap. It just seemed odd to me that RyJo was still showing up on puckpedia and i hadnt heard anything new as the 30 day waiver period is coming to a close. Figured there wouldve been an official announcement of contract termination or something. Seems like the Flyers consider it a done deal and RyJo has just over a month to finish appeal.

Would be nice for it to get wrapped up so we can carry a 23 player roster with ease and maybe look at trade deadline acquisitions but itll probably linger on for a while unless they settle at some point.

 

[jumb0]

Just ride it out assuming we will not get any relief but hope that things change by the TDL where we can do some damage.

 

[Armourboy]

Didn't Trotz already say he is doing things based on not having the extra cap for the time being?

 

[ILikeItILoveIt]

So, I guess we'll wait until it plays out, and hopefully, we'll end up with $4 million of "found money" at the TDL.

 

[herzausstein]

Kaliyev of the kings gets 1 year @ 825,000. Seems like if Tomasino is wanting more than league minimum he is probably out of luck. May get an extra 10,000 or so but if he gets 1-way he should be happy.

 

[Predsanddead24]

Well Boston has impressively mismanaged their goalie situation.

 

[Armourboy]

Well Boston has impressively mismanaged their goalie situation.

Yes and no. If they wanted to bring other guys in they had no choice but to go ahead and trade Ullmark. It may have cost them some negotiating leverage, but as time goes by the leverage Swayman has gets less and less. As much as the team might like to have him in net they also know he isn't going to give up this season. It would take one heck of an overpay to make up for a year of lost earnings.

I suspect you will see Boston make an offer they are happy with, and they won't come off of it all the way until December 1. At that point Swayman either signs it or loses whatever he would have gained by getting a larger contract.