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Lunatik said:
If Chytil can stay healthy, he will be a really good add for them. Mancini sounds like a high IQ player that is solid defensively, so both could be excellent adds.

And yeah generally if a pick ends up getting protected, it is unprotected the next year. I don't recall ever seeing one that is protected in multiple years. So I assume you are correct
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Nevermind they gave the pick away for a rental

Bold strategy when you’re out of a playoff spot. And I like Marcus pettersson
 
EP40 is more talented but I would have traded him before Miller, despite their ages whatever who cares what year they were born. If two players skill levels are comparable I want the guy who engages more consistently physically and emotionally in games every time. The Canucks have been a poorly run franchise ever since Mike Gillis left. The Alvin and Tocchet hype train is nearly fully derailed for Vancouver fans.

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Bounces R Way said:
EP40 is more talented but I would have traded him before Miller, despite their ages whatever who cares what year they were born. If two players skill levels are comparable I want the guy who engages more consistently physically and emotionally in games every time.
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I think a big part of it, is what's your window. If your window is like the next 3 years? Miller all day. If your thinking "Be competitive now, and be serious favourites in 5-8 years" (for whatever the reason, a lot of young prospects, or a younger roster you're hoping to mature a bit/develop more at the pro level), you gotta go with Pettersson. That decision obviously changes if the ages were the same (in which case I absolutely agree with you, go for the guy more physically/emotionally engaged over the guy who is a bit more skilled).
 
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LA currently imploding, VAN likely to get worse before they get better. Once Bahl and Zary are back we might be able to go on a run too
 
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Feels like the Canucks only gave in and moved Miller because we made a trade. They’re substantially worse today than yesterday. I like our chances more to make the playoffs now
 
Fully anticipate the rangers pick falling 13th exactly then sliding to 2026 where the pens use it to draft McKenna
 
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herashak said:
LA currently imploding, VAN likely to get worse before they get better. Once Bahl and Zary are back we might be able to go on a run too
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I'm not really sold on LA as a contender but they've had a weird schedule. They've played 11 more road games than home games already and they're a very good home team. 15-3-1 in LA. I expect when all is said and done they'll be firmly in 3rd in the division and we'll be battling it out for the wild card like we are now
 
Dallas giving up a 1st+4th(potentially 3rd) for Granlund and Ceci makes me dislike the Tanev return even more. Definitely skewed by the fact I'm not high on Grushnikov at all but I feel like we should have been able to get a 1st rounder for him for sure. I know the org was/is high on gru but would have preferred a better pick out of that one for sure
 
crackdown44 said:
Dallas giving up a 1st+4th(potentially 3rd) for Granlund and Ceci makes me dislike the Tanev return even more. Definitely skewed by the fact I'm not high on Grushnikov at all but I feel like we should have been able to get a 1st rounder for him for sure. I know the org was/is high on gru but would have preferred a better pick out of that one for sure
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I think 1sts were more valuable last year than this year because of the depth of the draft, also Granlund has very quietly been putting up a 70+ point pace (per 82) since joining the Sharks a couple years ago and was pretty much the only decent center available as a pending UFA.
 
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Lunatik said:
I think 1sts were more valuable last year than this year because of the depth of the draft, also Granlund has very quietly been putting up a 70+ point pace (per 82) since joining the Sharks a couple years ago and was pretty much the only decent center available as a pending UFA.
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Granlund has been good pretty much his who career. He was really bad in Pittsburgh, but it seems that those 21 games matter more to some people that the other 700+ games he's played.
 
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Kahvi said:
Granlund has been good pretty much his who career. He was really bad in Pittsburgh, but it seems that those 21 games matter more to some people that the other 700+ games he's played.
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I actually forgot he was ever in Pittsburgh, what I remember is a guy who was a 40-50 point pace ad not particularly reliable defensively and oft injured player in Nashville.

It's great he's returned to the way he played in Minnesota.
 
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Kahvi said:
Granlund has been good pretty much his who career. He was really bad in Pittsburgh, but it seems that those 21 games matter more to some people that the other 700+ games he's played.
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I'm not saying Granlund isn't worth that return. Just think Tanev who is one of the best, if not the best, shut down defenseman in the league probably should have fetched more. Plays a premium position as well. Though @Lunatik is probably right, its generally regarded as a weak draft this year so teams seem more willing to part with their picks
 
crackdown44 said:
I'm not saying Granlund isn't worth that return. Just think Tanev who is one of the best, if not the best, shut down defenseman in the league probably should have fetched more. Plays a premium position as well. Though @Lunatik is probably right, its generally regarded as a weak draft this year so teams seem more willing to part with their picks
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Just to add while C and RD are seen as premium positions, like I mentioned before there is no other legit top 6 center available this year (pending FA), while when Tanev was moved, Sean Walker was still available as a legit top 4 RD, and he only landed a 1st because the Flyers ate the Johansen contract.
 
Lunatik said:
If Chytil can stay healthy, he will be a really good add for them. Mancini sounds like a high IQ player that is solid defensively, so both could be excellent adds.

And yeah generally if a pick ends up getting protected, it is unprotected the next year. I don't recall ever seeing one that is protected in multiple years. So I assume you are correct.
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The monahan trade had multi year protections or conditions
 
Lunatik said:
all the conditions in the Mony deal are for 2025, 2026 picks would be unprotected, but the reason they're so complicated is because the Panthers pick is also protected in 2025
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No if the Flames pick had been 20-32 in 2024 the Habs could have chose to take the pick in 2024
 
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