Around the NHL 2024-25 regular season

[OmNomNom]

checked goalie contracts for fun

Vas got paid 2M AAV less 5 years ago, and signed his contract at age 25. Shesty is 28 currently
have to wonder if he's gonna be able to maintain his skills till 36 - he's definitely elite, but you know goalies and hips

 

[MasterofGrond]

Let's say cap jumps to 95 mil. Shipping out Kreider probably gets you a solid return. Rough estimates for contract projections, lets say re-sign Kakko and Cuylle for like a combined 9 mil, Jones for like 2.5, Miller for like 5. Sign Pettersson for like 5 mil. Combination of Berard/Othmann/Sykora/Perreault for 3rd line wings. Fill out 4th line, back up goalie, and extras with guys making 1 mil or less. That leaves you with around ~4.5-5 mil to fill out your top 4RD. Do I think they ever end up winning a Cup? No probably not but I do think they could cobble together a Cup contending team. I think something like this is a contender

Panarin-Trocheck-Laf
Cuylle-Chytil-Kakko
Berard-Mika-Perreault
Sykora-Edstrom-Brodzinski

Pettersson-Fox
Miller-PMD RD
Jones-Schneider

Igor

That's just not a cup contending middle six unless there are some real improvements and Mika stop doing whatever the f*** this is. And you're relying on Panarin to keep being PANARIN!, which is eventually going to stop.

 

[Oneiro]

Panarin is gone after that deal is up.

I’d be surprised if they extend him without some kind of bargain.

 

[Hisch13r]

That's just not a cup contending middle six unless there are some real improvements and Mika stop doing whatever the f*** this is. And you're relying on Panarin to keep being PANARIN!, which is eventually going to stop.

Panarin's only 33. I'm not going doubt him until he gives me a reason to. The Rangers as always can get away with weaker parts of their skater group like the middle 6 because they have Igor behind them. I also think Cuylle-Chytil-Kakko as a 2nd line would be a lot better than people think it would be. I think Pettersson and a puck moving top 4 RD alone gets them to stop getting caved at 5v5 and makes them decent there. It's a BIG swing from Lindgren and Trouba to that.

Panarin is gone after that deal is up.

I’d be surprised if they extend him without some kind of bargain.

Don't worry. It'll be Kaprizov time then for 20 mil lol

 

[Guttersniped]

so just to recap, it is a good move by Anaheim because they maybe might one day get a better asset in return in 15 months that would be ready to play for their organization in what, another 36 months after that?

Someone has to play defense for Anaheim next season. Cap space is basically meaningless for them next season. A 4th isn’t a big deal.

Trading for someone theoretically better is more costly and better UFA signings have term.

Trouba gives them physical defenseman with a lot of experience, including playoffs and a Captaincy.

If they can flip him for more than a 4th, then cool, they can profit too. Getting another team to help out on a double retention costs ~5th Rd pick.

 

[Oneiro]

Yeah. I think one of Rantanen, Marner or Kap is a Ranger soon.

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

Someone has to play defense for Anaheim next season. Cap space is basically meaningless for them next season.

Trading for someone theoretically better is more costly and better UFA signings have term.

Trouba gives them physical defenseman with a lot of experience, including playoffs and a Captaincy.

If they can flip him, for more than a 4th, than they can profit too. Getting another team to help out on a double retention costs ~5th Rd pick.

I Don't think trading for or signing a better player would be all that difficult. He sucks.

 

[Hisch13r]

Yeah. I think one of Rantanen, Marner or Kap is a Ranger soon.

I don't see how they swing Rantanen or Marner next year but the year after all when Panarin's money comes off all bets are off

 

[Alex NJD]

Let's say cap jumps to 95 mil. Shipping out Kreider probably gets you a solid return. Rough estimates for contract projections, lets say re-sign Kakko and Cuylle for like a combined 9 mil, Jones for like 2.5, Miller for like 5. Sign Pettersson for like 5 mil. Combination of Berard/Othmann/Sykora/Perreault for 3rd line wings. Fill out 4th line, back up goalie, and extras with guys making 1 mil or less. That leaves you with around ~4.5-5 mil to add a top 4RD. Do I think they ever end up winning a Cup? No probably not but I do think they could cobble together a Cup contending team. I think something like this is a contender

Panarin-Trocheck-Laf
Cuylle-Chytil-Kakko
Berard-Mika-Perreault
Sykora-Edstrom-Brodzinski

Pettersson-Fox
Miller-PMD RD
Jones-Schneider

Igor

Far enough but I think that middle 6 is asking a lot of those young guys and unless that Dman is really good that D-core doesn't really pop out as a major strength

 

[Hisch13r]

Far enough but I think that middle 6 is asking a lot of those young guys and unless that Dman is really good that D-core doesn't really pop out as a major strength

I think the 3rd line is weak. I think the 2nd line is really really f***ing good and much better than people think it is. Granted it was 3rd line usage rather than 2nd but in 135 minutes this year Cuylle-Chytil-Kakko won their minutes 11-0 with a 63% xG. The biggest issue with that line and one of the biggest issues with that team in general is Chytil's health. Yeah who that top 4 RD is obviously matters a lot but I don't think Miller's as bad as he's been and is a perfectly solid top 4D. I think Pettersson's really good and would compliment Fox well. Fox is obviously Fox. Jones-Schneider has been a dominant 3rd pair this year. In nearly 150 minutes up 9-2 in goals with a 56% xG. If it's a good top 4 RD add then that's a great D core.

 

[Guttersniped]

I Don't think trading for or signing a better player would be all that difficult. He sucks.

Signing a better veteran for a single year? I’d argue good vets aren’t interested in signing 1 year deals with bottom feeders, even if they’re overpaid.

It’s not easy signing good UFAs to reasonable longer term deals when you suck, you might remember the lack of success we had there.

And this is a team with a lot of up and coming skilled young defenders. Experience is a plus, a guy with +750 GP is valued on a young club.

Any hypothetical trade has to be for a 4th, the point is to spend cap space in the short term without wasting other assets.

That’s the point some are missing here. Remember all that cap space we didn’t “weaponize”? It had zero value.

Yeah, Trouba isn’t going to get any Norris votes but if was he wouldn’t be dumped like this.

 

[Comparison Ford]

Good percentage of Rangers fans not loving the payment.

truly do not understand this perspective. he is the only reason they are where they are every year. rangers live and die with this player. pay him.

 

[Hisch13r]

truly do not understand this perspective. he is the only reason they are where they are every year. rangers live and die with this player. pay him.

I guess they're mad because every other top goalie besides Vasy signed a contract in the last 18 months and he's being paid wayyyyyyyyy more than them but he had the Rangers over a barrel and he knew it. He's like 90% of the team

 

[Guttersniped]

I think the 3rd line is weak. I think the 2nd line is really really f***ing good and much better than people think it is. Granted it was 3rd line usage rather than 2nd but in 135 minutes this year Cuylle-Chytil-Kakko won their minutes 11-0 with a 63% xG. The biggest issue with that line and one of the biggest issues with that team in general is Chytil's health. Yeah who that top 4 RD is obviously matters a lot but I don't think Miller's as bad as he's been and is a perfectly solid top 4D. I think Pettersson's really good and would compliment Fox well. Fox is obviously Fox. Jones-Schneider has been a dominant 3rd pair this year. In nearly 150 minutes up 9-2 in goals with a 56% xG. If it's a good top 4 RD add then that's a great D core.

Miller has been complete trash fire with everyone except Fox this season. Way worse with than Trouba when paired with any non-Fox d-man.

Not sure what’s up with him but if he continues to suck this hard his future contract becomes a conundrum for Drury.

 

[NJDfan86]

i've been saying this for years as proof that you don't need to worry about the back end contracts of players you give a long term deal to. just throw the team your trading with a 3rd or heck i guess a 4th round pick and see ya.

i will gladly sign any player to a long term deal squeeze every ounce of production out of him for the first 5-6 years and then pay a sweetener to get rid of them earlier you need to ditch the bigger the sweetener needs to be but still 10000000000000000000000000000000000% of the time.

Yes, your strategy is there is always a sucker. I doubt that will continue as teams stop hiring old fossils.

 

[Hisch13r]

Miller has been complete trash fire with everyone except Fox this season. Way worse with than Trouba when paired with any non-Fox d-man.

Not sure what’s up with him but if he continues to suck this hard his future contract becomes a conundrum for Drury.

Yeah idk what it is either. I just find it hard to believe he doesn't figure things out. The Miller negotiation should be a fun one. Same agent as Goodrow.

Yes, your strategy is there is always a sucker. I doubt that will continue as teams stop hiring old fossils.

And some of those deals turn rotten right away. Ex: Palat

 

[guitarguyvic]

Let's say cap jumps to 95 mil. Shipping out Kreider probably gets you a solid return. Rough estimates for contract projections, lets say re-sign Kakko and Cuylle for like a combined 9 mil, Jones for like 2.5, Miller for like 5. Sign Pettersson for like 5 mil. Combination of Berard/Othmann/Sykora/Perreault for 3rd line wings. Fill out 4th line, back up goalie, and extras with guys making 1 mil or less. That leaves you with around ~4.5-5 mil to add a top 4RD. Do I think they ever end up winning a Cup? No probably not but I do think they could cobble together a Cup contending team. I think something like this is a contender

Panarin-Trocheck-Laf
Cuylle-Chytil-Kakko
Berard-Mika-Perreault
Sykora-Edstrom-Brodzinski

Pettersson-Fox
Miller-PMD RD
Jones-Schneider

Igor

That might be a bubble team with Igor at his peak. No idea how you see a contender trotting out Trochek as their 1C.

 

[Dialamo]

Unreal. Rangers easilly get rid of Trouba? Another sucker team helping them out?

 

[Emperoreddy]

It is a lot of money for one player

 

[Dialamo]

It is a lot of money for one player

That may be Nico's contract soon.

 

[NJDfan86]

And some of those deals turn rotten right away. Ex: Palat.

That’s not really what I am talking about - I am referring to GM’s who don’t get proper value for leasing their open cap space to other teams.

 

[Comparison Ford]

just put on the Rangers game while the devils are in intermission.

Trouba is joining ESPN for the 1st intermission... should be interesting

 

[Davegarri]

I don't understand the Ducks bailing them out of that horrible deal. NHL GMs are some of the dumbest people alive.

 

[Emperoreddy]

Chico doesn't understand why Verbeek did that either. Even having the space, why eat the whole contract and pay for it?

 

[Comparison Ford]

I don't understand the Ducks bailing them out of that horrible deal. NHL GMs are some of the dumbest people alive.

hes not a horrrrrible player, its kinda like if Dillon were making 8.5 million a year here.

they have cap to spare and I think are hoping for a bounce back. someone also posted they only have like 5 real NHL men.