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JimEIV

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This is crazy


He left out 3 to 5% for Agent fees and 13.5% withholding for Escrow on those take home numbers...so there is roughly still another 16/18% to knockoff the take home...5m x.18. Another 900k off.

He should've added examples for Quebec and Ontario too for comparison.

NJ isn't much better than NY. Highest NJ rate is 10.75% for over 1M - NY is 10.9%.

But the city also has 3.876% tax, so essentially a Ranger player is paying an extra 14.776% to New York. The Texas , Florida, Nashville player 0% state. Crazy.

But this guy's numbers look off... he's showing a difference of 19.21%. not sure how he gets there? I believe the difference should be 14.77 not 19.21
 
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This is crazy


this stuff is hard. It’s basically misinformation.

It’s accurate in that it’s just claiming to apply tax rates to contact values, but it’s not factoring in how signing bonuses are taxed, how away games are taxed, and any structures the athlete has set up on their end.

So, its not something anyone should use to seriously compare contracts.

But, people see the numbers and take it seriously. That’s where the misinformation comes in.
 

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He left out 3 to 5% for Agent fees and 13.5% withholding for Escrow on those take home numbers...so there is roughly still another 16/18% to knockoff the take home...5m x.18. Another 900k off.

He should've added examples for Quebec and Ontario too for comparison.

NJ isn't much better than NY. Highest NJ rate is 10.75% for over 1M - NY is 10.9%.

But the city also has 3.876% tax, so essentially a Ranger player is paying an extra 14.776% to New York. The Texas , Florida, Nashville player 0% state. Crazy.

But this guy's numbers look off... he's showing a difference of 19.21%. not sure how he gets there? I believe the difference should be 14.77 not 19.21
Do those numbers account for the road ganes? I know some states/municiplaities have taxes applied to visiting teams. Beyond that I think there may be some differences based on tax planning. If Shesterkin sets up a Russian LLC and the money is sent to that I believe that will change some things. These calculations are tricky at times.
 
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Duchene is accounting for 5.555 this year and 6.555 next year against Nashville's cap. Duchene has 28 pts this year. The leader in Nashville is Josi with 23 and the leading forward is Forsberg with 17. He put Fabbro on waivers and he's killing it for the Jackets. He got rid of McDonagh to make room for Skjei. Skjei has sucked and McDonagh's still incredible. That's 3 guys he had and gave away that are EXCELLING for other teams. Barry isn't exactly great at this whole GMing thing.
 

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Duchene is accounting for 5.555 this year and 6.555 next year against Nashville's cap. Duchene has 28 pts this year. The leader in Nashville is Josi with 23 and the leading forward is Forsberg with 17. He put Fabbro on waivers and he's killing it for the Jackets. He got rid of McDonagh to make room for Skjei. Skjei has sucked and McDonagh's still incredible. That's 3 guys he had and gave away that are EXCELLING for other teams. Barry isn't exactly great at this whole GMing thing.
Eh - I don't mind the Skjei for McDonagh swap. I think trading McD for Skjei plus a 2nd is reasonable, even with term difference in contract.

Fabbro - he had lost his spot in Nashville. Maybe they could have traded Fabbro for something, but it's unlikely that any return was moving the needle. I think bigger issue was Trotz / Brunette not believing in Fabbro / using him properly.

Buying out Duchene, trading RJ, but then signing ROR, Stamkos, and Marchessault to longer (4+ year) deals - that's I think worth criticizing. What was the point?

Trotz had talked about an organizational "reset" and giving younger players a chance. But, then he loaded up with older players and blocked guys like Tomasino. Now they seem like a worse version of the Islanders. Maybe the vets will bounce back - either this year or next - but even then it won't be sustainable over multiple years.

Crazy what Trotz has done. Likely set the organization back several years. Only possible saving grace is that they could be so bad they'll pick top 4 in this year's draft.
 
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Those tax numbers are totally wrong. The federal tax is not flat - it's graduated. You don't multiply the income by the max rate . The actual rate paid is the marginal rate which is lower.

As someone pointed out the state AND city have income taxes so there's that over a state with no income tax - but that doesn't include the consumption taxes and taxes on property in those states that more or less make up for the lack of state income tax.

Almost that entire contract is bonus. They're paying him minimum base.
 

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The systematic disregard for playmaking with Boston, Nashville and NYI has directly led to their downfall. I think we all know Lou would not have drafted Barzal either. I find it funny that these guys worship goal scorers and treat flashy playmakers like they're cancer.

It's hilarious because the cup wins for BOS and STL and to a smaller extent LA are directly tied to crazy goaltending performances, which is just such a lower probability bet than building the necessary offensive skill up front. And yet it's seen as some kind of exemplary way to build a team.
 

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Eh - I don't mind the Skjei for McDonagh swap. I think trading McD for Skjei plus a 2nd is reasonable, even with term difference in contract.

Fabbro - he had lost his spot in Nashville. Maybe they could have traded Fabbro for something, but it's unlikely that any return was moving the needle. I think bigger issue was Trotz / Brunette not believing in Fabbro / using him properly.

Buying out Duchene, trading RJ, but then signing ROR, Stamkos, and Marchessault to longer (4+ year) deals - that's I think worth criticizing. What was the point?

Trotz had talked about an organizational "reset" and giving younger players a chance. But, then he loaded up with older players and blocked guys like Tomasino. Now they seem like a worse version of the Islanders. Maybe the vets will bounce back - either this year or next - but even then it won't be sustainable over multiple years.

Crazy what Trotz has done. Likely set the organization back several years. Only possible saving grace is that they could be so bad they'll pick top 4 in this year's draft.

That McDonagh for Skjei swap might be seen as reasonable in trade value but in terms of actual on ice value there's literally no comparison at all between the players. The past 2 years McDonagh's been an elite two way playdriver that faces top competition. Skjei neither drives offense nor is he good defensively. There's a massive gap between the 2 players.
 

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That McDonagh for Skjei swap might be seen as reasonable in trade value but in terms of actual on ice value there's literally no comparison at all between the players. The past 2 years McDonagh's been an elite two way playdriver that faces top competition. Skjei neither drives offense nor is he good defensively. There's a massive gap between the 2 players.

Agreed, Skjei got overrated massively by Canes fans. They poke fun at Pesce but they don't seem to value very defensive players unless they hit a lot (Jalen Chatfield, a player I really like). But Skjei this season is what he's always been outside the last two seasons, a 25-30 point player who isn't great defensively.
 

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The systematic disregard for playmaking with Boston, Nashville and NYI has directly led to their downfall. I think we all know Lou would not have drafted Barzal either. I find it funny that these guys worship goal scorers and treat flashy playmakers like they're cancer.

It's hilarious because the cup wins for BOS and STL and to a smaller extent LA are directly tied to crazy goaltending performances, which is just such a lower probability bet than building the necessary offensive skill up front. And yet it's seen as some kind of exemplary way to build a team.

You look to the Cup that Barry won as well and it was largely driven by having 2 of the leagues premier playmakers as his 1 and 2Cs. Ovi while great and won that Conn Smythe wasn't the best player on that team. Kuzy was the best player on the team and deserved the Conn Smythe.
 
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Hisch13r

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Watching the Rangers-Kraken game and Brandon Tanev would be a great add at the TDL to fill a bottom 6 role and a valuable PK addition which the Devils could use. I've always liked his game, very much a poor mans version of Coleman.

I like Tanev. No interest in a bottom 6 wing addition. Either bottom 6 center or top 6 wing
 

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I like Tanev. No interest in a bottom 6 wing addition. Either bottom 6 center or top 6 wing
He is the exact player archetype I'd be looking at acquiring. Great forechecker, Fast, physical, Great PKer, etc... He also wouldn't be the sole TDL addition if we added him, would still have plenty of assets left to acquire another forward at the deadline.
 
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