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[Bleedred]

I said that the game against us was the type of game that gets coach/the GM fired, especially after the 6 or 7 games before that.

So it got Trouba outta there instead, which we've been hearing about since the summer.

You'd definitely think that game was a breaking point of some kind though. Especially with it being a game against their biggest rival and getting embarrassed on home ice, after a stretch where they were getting beaten almost every game for the last couple of weeks.

 

[Hisch13r]

It's probably good for us, over time at least. But they blew up the goalie market bar now

I don’t think they did. I think this is a Matthews/Marner situation where these contracts live on a completely different reality than the rest of the league. Especially when all the other top goalies are locked up long term. Swayman just signed for 8.25x8. Oettinger just signed an extension for 8.25x8. Ullmark just signed for 8.25x4 on an extension. Saros just signed for 7.74x8 on an extension. Sorokin signed an extension last summer for 8.25x8. Hellebuyck signed an extension last year for 8.5x7. Vasy still has another 3 years left after this for 9.5

 

[NJDevs26]

I said that the game against us was the type of game that gets coach/the GM fired, especially after the 6 or 7 games before that.

So it got Trouba outta there instead, which we've been hearing about since the summer.

You'd definitely think that game was a breaking point of some kind though. Especially with it being a game against their biggest rival and getting embarrassed on home ice, after a stretch where they were getting beaten almost every game for the last couple of weeks.

And it got Shesterkin his money lol

 

[Mr Bojanglez]

I'm not sure how some Ranger fans are mad at a combo of losing Trouba and re-signing Shesterkin.

I feel like that's a pretty big win for them. Especially if its under $12.

They're in win-now mode. This helps then win now.

 

[JK3]

Such a bullshit trade, how do they keep getting bailed out?

I want Trouba there, he sucks balls, eats a ton of cap AND was a total distraction.

 

[Hisch13r]

When you compare it to all the other top goalies that just signed it's really a wild overpay that he's getting 3+ mil more but even then I think he's at least step above them all besides Hellebuyck and he'll still be end up being worth this contract

 

[ZachaFlockaFlame]

The Shesty contract is fine, he's not their issue and never will be on the duration of their contract. He almost STOLE 2023 from us and does that consistently in the playoffs. The issue is how do you actually make a roster with two mediocre centers and virtually no blue line other than Fox? It's giving Devils Schneider vibes or current Islanders vibes with Sorokin but we'll see

When you compare it to all the other top goalies that just signed it's really a wild overpay that he's getting 3+ mil more but even then I think he's at least step above them all besides Hellebuyck and he'll still be end up being worth this contract

His value is all in the playoffs, he's well worth the AAV. Anyone disagreeing is out to lunch or just wants to laugh at NYR for no reason.

 

[Hisch13r]

The Shesty contract is fine, he's not their issue and never will be on the duration of their contract. He almost STOLE 2023 from us and does that consistently in the playoffs. The issue is how do you actually make a roster with two mediocre centers and virtually no blue line other than Fox? It's giving Devils Schneider vibes or current Islanders vibes with Sorokin but we'll see



His value is all in the playoffs, he's well worth the AAV. Anyone disagreeing is out to lunch or just wants to laugh at NYR for no reason.

Especially with the cap set to explode in the near future

 

[Triumph]

If the Rangers find their way out of the Zibanejad deal - and that one, they can't dump for free - they're a threat again. Maybe. I don't know if Drury has the ability to turn over that roster the way it needs to be turned over.

 

[FinnishDevil]

What saved NYR was that Trouba's NMC expired this summer which allowed them to throw him on waivers. Everyone knew that someone would pick him up for free and then trade him with 50% retention later. There's like 20+ teams who would take Trouba at 4 million as a rental next year. Lets not forget he's big enough, physical, RD that NHL GMs love to death.

Why Ducks pay anything for him? They can get a better pick than 4th when they trade him away.

Honestly, if I'm Ducks I'd call Lou and ask what he offers for Trouba at 50% cause I bet he would waive to stay in NY lol

We can also waive Palat next year if needed.

 

[AfroThunder396]

It definitely sucks that teams keep bailing NYR out of their self-inflicted cap problems, but from Anaheim's perspective this is a pretty legitimate upgrade to their backend. Trouba isn't great anymore but they need bodies pretty badly.

They have dressed 9 defensemen this season and 5 of them have <100 NHL GP. Dumoulin, Gudas, and Fowler are the only real regular NHL defensemen they have. Vaakanainen was the 4th most experienced D they had with 141 career NHL games.

 

[ZachaFlockaFlame]

If the Rangers find their way out of the Zibanejad deal - and that one, they can't dump for free - they're a threat again. Maybe. I don't know if Drury has the ability to turn over that roster the way it needs to be turned over.

I get into this argument all the time with my NYR buddies, the move should've been for Eichel for Laf or Kakko + and then trade Zibanejad for prospects + picks. You in theory upgraded at 1C for the next decade and didn't lose anything if your GM has any decent amateur/pro scouts

 

[jkrdevil]

Their window is shut, mainly cause Shesterkin is not saving the centers they have and that deal just killed any good chance of fixing the blue line/forwards.

Meh. Even with the Igor deal they have a lot of cap space moving forward between the cap going up and removing Trouba. They probably will have between $12-13 million extra to spend in the offseason

 

[Guttersniped]

Turns out he didn’t have negative value and the Rags are a point away from a lottery pick

I’m not sure that trade would’ve been very off base

It was off base.

Trouba’s non-negative value is a 4th Rd pick and the Duck’s 9th defenseman.

And his 8m cap hit is pretty meaningless for the team with the most cap space in the NHL.

Trouba and Lafreniere would be making a combined 15.45m next season, while Tkachuk makes 8.2m.

Ottawa doesn’t have that much cap space and a number of RFAs to pay next season. Unlike Anaheim, adding +7.25m of cap space would be a significant negative for them.

I was going to propose that the Rangers take Perron (2 years/4m) to balance that out. They also would need to add more.

And this is assuming Ottawa is actually being forced to trade Brady* and really likes Lafreniere.

*I don’t think they are and don’t think he’ll he moved.

 

[Hisch13r]

If the Rangers find their way out of the Zibanejad deal - and that one, they can't dump for free - they're a threat again. Maybe. I don't know if Drury has the ability to turn over that roster the way it needs to be turned over.

I still think they can be a threat even without doing that. Just replacing Lindgren and Trouba with 2 top 4 puck movers makes them a threat. Obviously easier said than done but I've been saying I think they will be a lot better next year. Just a matter of it Drury executes smart adds.

 

[Triumph]

I get into this argument all the time with my NYR buddies, the move should've been for Eichel for Laf or Kakko + and then trade Zibanejad for prospects + picks. You in theory upgraded at 1C for the next decade and didn't lose anything if your GM has any decent amateur/pro scouts

That's a very difficult set of deals to pull off and if Kakko or Lafreniere end up to be the superstars they were projected to be (or Eichel never returns to form after his injury) you lose big time. The fact that Kakko is just an okay 3rd line winger and Laf is a borderline 1st line/2nd line guy in 2025 makes this easier to sell now.

That said, I do think it would've made this period in the Rangers' transition that much easier.

 

[MasterofGrond]

That’s a fair deal for igor. Playoff monster.

 

[HoliksGhost]

Good percentage of Rangers fans not loving the payment.

 

[Triumph]

I still think they can be a threat even without doing that. Just replacing Lindgren and Trouba with 2 top 4 puck movers makes them a threat. Obviously easier said than done but I've been saying I think they will be a lot better next year. Just a matter of it Drury executes smart adds.

That's now difficult to do, they've spent all of Trouba's money on Lafreniere and Shesterkin already. The cap increase + Lindgren leaves them some more space, but not a ton.

 

[JrFischer54]

Honestly, who cares from their perspective? I thought he had like 3-4 years left after this one, but it's just one more season. Plus he will 1000% be flippable to a playoff team at an increased return since Anaheim has all of their retention slots. And they aren't even close to the cap.

yeah i thought the years were a lot longer but only really this season and next he will be gone by feb for a bigger return. its a solid deal for a rebuilding non playoff team.

 

[NJDfan86]

Its actually not too bad. They need a bottom pair RD because they only have 2 and are rotating LD in the 3rd spot. It lets them put developing guys on their correct side of the ice.

(probably could have filled this spot with someone making $1m aav though)

It’s bad because they had Drury over the barrel

The Devils got to dump Vanecek for basically nothing last trade deadline.

I will say that players with malice are, I think, somewhat of a dying breed in the NHL. The generation of Trouba, Dillon, Gudas, and Gudbranson is aging out, and I'm not sure who is coming in to replace those guys - a player like Vaakanainen was looked at a possibility but now he's on the real fringes of the NHL. There's Xhekaj and Lauzon. There's Romanov who can lay some big hits. But this type of D man seems to be going away. I can see why Verbeek wants him, even though I think it's quite a stupid move overall - I don't think he will get very much back at the deadline next year for him.

Yea, I am not understanding the logic that he is going to be worth something next TDL - he will be the most expensive bottom pair option on the market.

I also continue to be perplexed as to why NHL GM’s let other teams use their cap space for nothing.

 

[MasterofGrond]

I still think they can be a threat even without doing that. Just replacing Lindgren and Trouba with 2 top 4 puck movers makes them a threat. Obviously easier said than done but I've been saying I think they will be a lot better next year. Just a matter of it Drury executes smart adds.

Idk, the core of their offense is aging before our eyes. I’m not saying they can’t recover, but they have issues to address

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

Honestly, who cares from their perspective? I thought he had like 3-4 years left after this one, but it's just one more season. Plus he will 1000% be flippable to a playoff team at an increased return since Anaheim has all of their retention slots. And they aren't even close to the cap.

its a bad trade for them. Trading any assets for a bad player making that much is a bad move.

that doesn't mean it really truly matters for them overall. but the point remains.

 

[Hisch13r]

That's now difficult to do, they've spent all of Trouba's money on Lafreniere and Shesterkin already. The cap increase + Lindgren leaves them some more space, but not a ton.

I think they should be moving on from Kreider and fully handing the keys over to the kids. That opens up even more space. Pettersson strikes me as the primary guy I target for the Rangers top 4

 

[JrFischer54]

its a bad trade for them. Trading any assets for a bad player making that much is a bad move.

that doesn't mean it really truly matters for them overall. but the point remains.

the money doesn't matter to them so get that out of the way.

a 4th round pick is absolutely nothing but a lotto ticket.

they are going to flip him at the deadline next year or sooner for a bigger package. basically they are paying x amount of millions for a fringe prospect and a 2nd that can turn to a first round pick.