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TheOrganist said:
I should add that I like Dallas relative to other teams b/c they have both a positive short-term & long-term outlook with their cap structure (older, aging, overpaid guys about to fall off the books). In an era of parity and where it's hard to sustain consistent success they seem to have a really good foundation to be good for a while.
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the new sharks, i bet they resign an ever-declining benn instead of adding a better player for cheaper
 
BlueOil said:
i'll add to the dallas doubt and think it's well-warranted. hintz and heiskanen just aren't reliable enough as your 1C and 1D. far too many games where they are absent or outcompeted by the opposing team. just like zibanejad and fox in new york. the central being a weaker division also means dallas just has to be good, but not great to make the playoffs and that seems to be their sweet spot. wouldn't rule out them entering the playoffs as a wild card if the avs go on a run at some point or get a goalie. really doubt they win the division or have home ice in the playoffs. they just lose too much on the road so far. maybe their top line finally starts producing at a higher rate and things change, but right now they live or dive with oettinger and their depth scoring.
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What is your list of guys who are reliable enough to be your 1D?

Fox has been top 5 in Norris voting for 4 straight years and has a win under his belt. He's already been the #1 D man on two ECF runs and he was a monster in the 2021/22 playoffs. Heiskanen doesn't have the regular season individual accolades, but he has two top 10 Norris finishes and two other years where he was 12th. He has been the #1 D man on two WCF runs and an additional run to the Final where he played like an absolute stud.

I have both in my top 10 at the position pretty easily and both have already had a monster, Cup-caliber 1D playoff performance. I don't think that either of the last 2 Cup winners have had a 1D performance better than what we've already seen from both of them before.
 
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Brian39 said:
What is your list of guys who are reliable enough to be your 1D?

Fox has been top 5 in Norris voting for 4 straight years and has a win under his belt. He's already been the #1 D man on two ECF runs and he was a monster in the 2021/22 playoffs. Heiskanen doesn't have the regular season individual accolades, but he has two top 10 Norris finishes and two other years where he was 12th. He has been the #1 D man on two WCF runs and an additional run to the Final where he played like an absolute stud.

I have both in my top 10 at the position pretty easily and both have already had a monster, Cup-caliber 1D playoff performance. I don't think that either of the last 2 Cup winners have had a 1D performance better than what we've already seen from both of them before.
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ya i get there's nothing to back up my notion here. heiskanen just has too many brain farts for me. he offsets it and when you view his season on the whole, he's easily a top 10 guy, but i'd put him in the 6-8 range with how often i see him get burned on the inside or lose his positoning. guys like makar, hedman, josi, pietrangelo, mcavoy or even fox don't get burned like that as often. but like i said, i'm well aware that's not going to be an opinion many share and i see him get ranked in the top 5 of the top 10 defenseman rankings, so i'm probably wrong, but i see him more similar to guys like werenski, theodore, or dahlin than the cream of the crop.

the zinbanejad/fox comparison is loose, so i'm not going to suggest there's much to that other than a similar situation of a lower end 1C and coming oh so close without getting there. that's far more about hintz/heiskanen and zinbanejad than it is fox.
 
Brian39 said:
What is your list of guys who are reliable enough to be your 1D?

Fox has been top 5 in Norris voting for 4 straight years and has a win under his belt. He's already been the #1 D man on two ECF runs and he was a monster in the 2021/22 playoffs. Heiskanen doesn't have the regular season individual accolades, but he has two top 10 Norris finishes and two other years where he was 12th. He has been the #1 D man on two WCF runs and an additional run to the Final where he played like an absolute stud.

I have both in my top 10 at the position pretty easily and both have already had a monster, Cup-caliber 1D playoff performance. I don't think that either of the last 2 Cup winners have had a 1D performance better than what we've already seen from both of them before.
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Can’t we just get the best player in the league at each position?
 
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BlueOil said:
i'll add to the dallas doubt and think it's well-warranted. hintz and heiskanen just aren't reliable enough as your 1C and 1D. far too many games where they are absent or outcompeted by the opposing team. just like zibanejad and fox in new york. the central being a weaker division also means dallas just has to be good, but not great to make the playoffs and that seems to be their sweet spot. wouldn't rule out them entering the playoffs as a wild card if the avs go on a run at some point or get a goalie. really doubt they win the division or have home ice in the playoffs. they just lose too much on the road so far. maybe their top line finally starts producing at a higher rate and things change, but right now they live or dive with oettinger and their depth scoring.
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The wondering whether Hintz and Zibby are skilled enough to get it done on offense is warranted but saying Heiskanen and Fox aren't 1Ds is ridiculous. Dallas's issue has always been having enough talent up front to beat truly elite teams and coaching. PDB's legacy of failure in the conference final shouldn't go unnoticed here.
 
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Blues tied with Colorado for 4th in the Central.

Problem is that only three Central teams may make it with there being five Pacific teams multiple-games over .500.

Blues are going to have to stay ahead of the Avalanche and run down Calgary, Vancouver or Edmonton…which isn’t impossible, but is a tall task with two-thirds of the season remaining. At some point the Avs will have to bring in a competent goalie, and the Blues will likely stop playing .900 hockey under Monty.

LGB!
 
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Not sure how they could make it work but I think we could definitely use him and he wouldn't be required to play top pairing minutes here. Extremely unlikely though
 
Linkens Mastery said:
We'd have to find a way to clear a bunch of cap to do so.
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Capwages has us with pretty much the space needed because of Krug. I think it's more likely that he's traded, and waivers is a threat to pick the best of the options, instead of getting claimed by someone. I don't think it's likely, but I do think he'd do well here with Parayko handling the heavy minutes, or he'd be able to take some of the load and Parayko can do a bit more against slightly easier competition.
 
SirPaste said:
Not sure how they could make it work but I think we could definitely use him and he wouldn't be required to play top pairing minutes here. Extremely unlikely though
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We would have to trade Saad/M. Joseph/ Texier for him straight up to make any sense. Imho.
 
bleedblue1223 said:
Sounds like Trouba could be waived today.

I'd actually seriously consider claiming him.
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We'd have to move salary. We weaponized all of our cap space. Krug is not enough to cover with LTIR. Plus even if we did us Krug, we'd have to know there was no way he is back next year, and figure out how to shed enough to cover Suter's overages from bonuses/ With Trouba, we could not take them this year..
 
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bleedblue1223 said:
Capwages has us with pretty much the space needed because of Krug. I think it's more likely that he's traded, and waivers is a threat to pick the best of the options, instead of getting claimed by someone. I don't think it's likely, but I do think he'd do well here with Parayko handling the heavy minutes, or he'd be able to take some of the load and Parayko can do a bit more against slightly easier competition.
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That's ignoring any overages Suter and any other player makes due to bonuses. If Blues are trying to get Trouba a player HAS to be moved
 
I'd like to hear the thought process for making a Trouba claim...he's declining rapidly because of injuries and has become a complete defensive liability. I watched the Rangers almost every game in the playoffs last year and while he was playing hurt by all accounts he's been just as brutal this year...add on the money factor on top of it and he prob has one of the worst contracts in the league.
 
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bleedblue1223 said:
Capwages has us with pretty much the space needed because of Krug. I think it's more likely that he's traded, and waivers is a threat to pick the best of the options, instead of getting claimed by someone. I don't think it's likely, but I do think he'd do well here with Parayko handling the heavy minutes, or he'd be able to take some of the load and Parayko can do a bit more against slightly easier competition.
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Capwages' math aint mathing. $48.8 for forwards + 25.2 for D without Krug + 6.8 for Goalies. That equals the $80.8, yes. But Krug does count in that. So it is actually 87.3. Which leaves $500k in cap, with 6.5 in LTIR relief, or $1M shy. Capwages showing $7M in cap space and LTIR is counting the LTIR twice.

We could get there by waiving a more expensive player like Perunovich. But we'd have no cap space, and all of Suter's bonuses would go to next year when we'd still have Trouba.

It is technically doable, but it would work a lot better with retention from NY or having them take back Texier or someone.
 
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BlueOil said:
i'll add to the dallas doubt and think it's well-warranted. hintz and heiskanen just aren't reliable enough as your 1C and 1D. far too many games where they are absent or outcompeted by the opposing team. just like zibanejad and fox in new york. the central being a weaker division also means dallas just has to be good, but not great to make the playoffs and that seems to be their sweet spot. wouldn't rule out them entering the playoffs as a wild card if the avs go on a run at some point or get a goalie. really doubt they win the division or have home ice in the playoffs. they just lose too much on the road so far. maybe their top line finally starts producing at a higher rate and things change, but right now they live or dive with oettinger and their depth scoring.
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Is Hintz the 1C in Dallas? Pretty sure it’s Wyatt Johnston at this point.

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Which really only adds to the point that Dallas is currently and will be a formidable team for the foreseeable future.
 
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stl76 said:
Is Hintz the 1C in Dallas? Pretty sure it’s Wyatt Johnston at this point.

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Which really only adds to the point that Dallas is currently and will be a formidable team for the foreseeable future.
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They don't really run the team with a true #1. Hintz is stapled to the hip to Robertson, so I'd say he is the most likely one to call the 1C. Those two do play with Johnston a lot. Not sure who is lining up in the middle when they are both with him. I think Johnston is the wing but wouldn't bet big on that. They have 4 Cs in their top 6 (Hintz, Duchene, WJ and Stankoven), so the lines get shuffled a bit with Robertson anchoring one line and Duchene-Marchment anchoring the other.

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This is more egregious than the AIG bailout...like how do you not make NYR attach something valuable to get rid of this contract knowing what a bind the Rangers are in w/ Trouba's horrid play and bills coming due for Shesterkin, etc.
 
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TheOrganist said:
This is more egregious than the AIG bailout...like how do you not make NYR attach something valuable to get rid of this contract knowing what a bind the Rangers are in w/ Trouba's horrid play and bills coming due for Shesterkin, etc.
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I haven’t followed Verbeek’s work, but maybe he likes the stench of his own ass just like Drury does.
 
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