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Rangers just signed Shesterkin to a ridiculous deal after dealing Trouba.

Their window has shut, and it's going to be shut for a very long time. Stupid overpay of a goalie.
Their window is not shut quite yet. But the east is too strong IMO for them to contend long term. Its too long and too much. This contract is going to take him till his late 30s, he turns 29 later this month. Too much money to dump on a goaltender, guess they want to follow the Habs debacle with Carey Price.

Teams win cups with topnotch checking and elite D and Center play. You can win cups with Chris Osgood types, just need goalies to make the routine saves and save something special every now and then.
 
Rangers just signed Shesterkin to a ridiculous deal after dealing Trouba.

Their window has shut, and it's going to be shut for a very long time. Stupid overpay of a goalie.
I'm not saying you're wrong, but I am saying that you pretty much have to sign Shesterkin in this situation. He's the single most important piece on that team and they'd likely be bottom 5 in the standings if he wasn't red hot for the first five or six weeks of the season.
 
I'm not saying you're wrong, but I am saying that you pretty much have to sign Shesterkin in this situation. He's the single most important piece on that team and they'd likely be bottom 5 in the standings if he wasn't red hot for the first five or six weeks of the season.

You trade him for an Askarov price, possibly even higher. Let some other team sign a goalie for that much. How are the Rangers going to build from there? They tried the same thing with Lundqvist, and it never worked out. The Canucks tried that with Luongo. It didn't work out. The Panthers worked with Bobrovsky, but they traded for him first and had a lot of savvy signings from a competent GM - something that the Rangers utterly lack; their drafting has been spotty at best, their free agents signings only a little less so.

Personally, I'd be authoring a firing of Drury and a tear-down when it comes to that team. Let them hit the bottom, get as many picks in 2026 as I could. There's no way that team is going to a Stanley Cup in the near future - and as of now, I don't see them making it in the far future either.
 
You trade him for an Askarov price, possibly even higher. Let some other team sign a goalie for that much. How are the Rangers going to build from there? They tried the same thing with Lundqvist, and it never worked out. The Canucks tried that with Luongo. It didn't work out. The Panthers worked with Bobrovsky, but they traded for him first and had a lot of savvy signings from a competent GM - something that the Rangers utterly lack; their drafting has been spotty at best, their free agents signings only a little less so.

Personally, I'd be authoring a firing of Drury and a tear-down when it comes to that team. Let them hit the bottom, get as many picks in 2026 as I could. There's no way that team is going to a Stanley Cup in the near future - and as of now, I don't see them making it in the far future either.

I think they’re much better off than you do. They get a great goalie for all his remaining good years and the cap is about to be inflationary.

They were able to free up 8.5AAV and it cost them nothing. They’re gonna use every last drop of the space they’ve acquired.

They still have most of their early round prospect assets from the past years. They are missing a quite a few valuable picks, but do have all their firsts.

Their club has a nice mix of youth and vets. The team is a bit of a destination due to msg, nyc.

I think they’ll remain a playoff force in the east. Really hard to say that if it isn’t perfect then tear it down. Every team has flaws.

Really probably isn’t ideal to have a team goalie cap above 10m imo. It will cause them to sacrifice elsewhere. But if the cap is jumping 5-6 mil a season this problem will disappear really. It’ll be much harder to find an elite goalie than it will be to pay one.
 
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You trade him for an Askarov price, possibly even higher. Let some other team sign a goalie for that much. How are the Rangers going to build from there? They tried the same thing with Lundqvist, and it never worked out. The Canucks tried that with Luongo. It didn't work out. The Panthers worked with Bobrovsky, but they traded for him first and had a lot of savvy signings from a competent GM - something that the Rangers utterly lack; their drafting has been spotty at best, their free agents signings only a little less so.

Personally, I'd be authoring a firing of Drury and a tear-down when it comes to that team. Let them hit the bottom, get as many picks in 2026 as I could. There's no way that team is going to a Stanley Cup in the near future - and as of now, I don't see them making it in the far future either.
The Rangers got to a Cup Final while Hank was on a deal that was over 12% of the cap at signing.

Luongo and the Canucks got to the Cup Final.

If that is the "didn't work out" standard then basically every signing and team building strategy doesn't work out.

As you mentioned, Bob and the Panthers are an example of it very much working out. He's not the only example though. The Lightning won a Cup with Vasi in year 1 of his deal that paid him a bit above 11% of the cap and then got back to the Final the next year in a flat cap world.

We don't know what the cap is going to be next year, but we do know that it will be at least $92.5M barring another league shut down. There have been reports that it could be $95M+ if the NHL and PA get together to avoid a massive $10M-$15M jump in 2026/27. No matter what, it will come in under 12.5%. I'm not high on Drury as a GM, but if the Rangers fail it will be due to plenty of issues before it is due to this contract. It is more than I'd like to pay any goalie, but Shesterkin is one of the handful of goalies that is worth giving big money/term to.

I have no idea what the trade market would have been, but I think they have too many NMCs to really do a tear down right now.
 
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The Rangers got to a Cup Final while Hank was on a deal that was over 12% of the cap at signing.

Luongo and the Canucks got to the Cup Final.

If that is the "didn't work out" standard then basically every signing and team building strategy doesn't work out.

As you mentioned, Bob and the Panthers are an example of it very much working out. He's not the only example though. The Lightning won a Cup with Vasi in year 1 of his deal that paid him a bit above 11% of the cap and then got back to the Final the next year in a flat cap world.

We don't know what the cap is going to be next year, but we do know that it will be at least $92.5M barring another league shut down. There have been reports that it could be $95M+ if the NHL and PA get together to avoid a massive $10M-$15M jump in 2026/27. No matter what, it will come in under 12.5%. I'm not high on Drury as a GM, but if the Rangers fail it will be due to plenty of issues before it is due to this contract. It is more than I'd like to pay any goalie, but Shesterkin is one of the handful of goalies that is worth giving big money/term to.

I have no idea what the trade market would have been, but I think they have too many NMCs to really do a tear down right now.

The standard is - and always will be - winning Lord Stanley's Cup. That's the goal - or should be the goal - of every team who competes, and nothing less. If you asked Lundqvist and Luongo - or the vast majority of the players in the NHL, for that matter - what the standard was, I guarantee they'd say the exact same thing I'm saying.

The Lightning had one of the single best playoff performers in Kucherov, an elite defense led by Hedman and Sergachev, and enough supporting offense on all four lines to win that year.

The Panthers were loaded with a solid number of players everywhere on the ice, including Tkachuk and Barkov, who both would be on the first line of most teams. They worked out, even when Bobrovsky failed occasionally.

I do not think Shesterkin, as uberly talented as he is, is in the same stratosphere as King Henrik or Luongo. I do not think the Rangers have the same firepower that the Panthers and Lightning did. I do not think their defense is nearly as good as what the Panthers and Lightning were.

And I absolutely do not believe that Drury is a competent GM, unlike the Panthers/Lightning GMs. I do not believe he will bring the Rangers to the promised land, to the Cup.
 
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The standard is - and always will be - winning Lord Stanley's Cup. That's the goal - or should be the goal - of every team who competes, and nothing less. If you asked Lundqvist and Luongo - or the vast majority of the players in the NHL, for that matter - what the standard was, I guarantee they'd say the exact same thing I'm saying.

The Lightning had one of the single best playoff performers in Kucherov, an elite defense led by Hedman and Sergachev, and enough supporting offense on all four lines to win that year.

The Panthers were loaded with a solid number of players everywhere on the ice, including Tkachuk and Barkov, who both would be on the first line of most teams. They worked out, even when Bobrovsky failed occasionally.

I do not think Shesterkin, as uberly talented as he is, is in the same stratosphere as King Henrik or Luongo. I do not think the Rangers have the same firepower that the Panthers and Lightning did. I do not think their defense is nearly as good as what the Panthers and Lightning were.

And I absolutely do not believe that Drury is a competent GM, unlike the Panthers/Lightning GMs. I do not believe he will bring the Rangers to the promised land, to the Cup.
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Really interesting tampering situation with NYR and Ottawa.

If Brooks communicated about Brady Tkachuk after speaking with NYR front office, which I think everybody assumes Brooks does, NYR may be the club that is made an example of.

I just said nice stuff about nyr but would be hilarious if they got dinged and Andlauer got a bit of a kickback for the draft pick he lost from the previous owners actions. If the refs have make up calls why can’t the owners too. Nyr first to ott? lol.
 
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The Rangers got to a Cup Final while Hank was on a deal that was over 12% of the cap at signing.

Luongo and the Canucks got to the Cup Final.

If that is the "didn't work out" standard then basically every signing and team building strategy doesn't work out.

As you mentioned, Bob and the Panthers are an example of it very much working out. He's not the only example though. The Lightning won a Cup with Vasi in year 1 of his deal that paid him a bit above 11% of the cap and then got back to the Final the next year in a flat cap world.

We don't know what the cap is going to be next year, but we do know that it will be at least $92.5M barring another league shut down. There have been reports that it could be $95M+ if the NHL and PA get together to avoid a massive $10M-$15M jump in 2026/27. No matter what, it will come in under 12.5%. I'm not high on Drury as a GM, but if the Rangers fail it will be due to plenty of issues before it is due to this contract. It is more than I'd like to pay any goalie, but Shesterkin is one of the handful of goalies that is worth giving big money/term to.

I have no idea what the trade market would have been, but I think they have too many NMCs to really do a tear down right now.
Kind of weird how you're specifically saying they got to the final instead of they won the cup?
 
Not to re-litigate everyone's favorite topic but the Trouba saga is Exhibit A why Petro was adamant about an NMC during the negotiations.

And also why some GMs like Army are hesitant to give them out. But if a player has confidence that he won't completely suck near the end of his deal then it shouldn't be too much of a sticking point. 1Ds don't usually fall off a cliff but I guess it can happen occasionally.
 
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Kind of weird how you're specifically saying they got to the final instead of they won the cup?
Kind of weird how you apparently stopped reading by the fourth sentence?

The standard is - and always will be - winning Lord Stanley's Cup. That's the goal - or should be the goal - of every team who competes, and nothing less. If you asked Lundqvist and Luongo - or the vast majority of the players in the NHL, for that matter - what the standard was, I guarantee they'd say the exact same thing I'm saying.

The Lightning had one of the single best playoff performers in Kucherov, an elite defense led by Hedman and Sergachev, and enough supporting offense on all four lines to win that year.

The Panthers were loaded with a solid number of players everywhere on the ice, including Tkachuk and Barkov, who both would be on the first line of most teams. They worked out, even when Bobrovsky failed occasionally...And I absolutely do not believe that Drury is a competent GM, unlike the Panthers/Lightning GMs.

Yes, you have to have a really good team to win the Cup. A goalie can't win it by himself. Absolutely shocking, groundbreaking analysis that you need a really good team in front of a goalie. No one was arguing otherwise and the Rangers will still have over $80M to spend on building the rest of that roster.

I also don't have much faith in their GM, but that is a very different conversation than the argument that the Shesterkin contract makes it impossible to build a winner. I think Drury has made a number of large mistakes, but that doesn't mean everything he does is a mistake. I very much don't believe that signing Shesterkin to this deal is a mistake.

They have a top 10 winger in the league and a top 10 D man in the league. I don't like their team as much as Florida/Tampa, but they have several key pieces. They have $20M+ of cap space for next year, they hold all of their future 1st round picks, and their prospect pool has three guys they drafted in the 1st round over the last 4 drafts. They have assets to improve and are a desirable market.

I think that they are very much situated to be able to build a winner around him and that contract. I don't think that Drury will be able to do that, but I don't think that he'd have been able to do that even if Shesterkin signed for $6M AAV. I'd have no issue with Drury getting fired, but not everything a bad GM does is proof that they should be fired. And Drury shouldn't have traded Shesterkin based on the logic that he isn't good at his job so he should just stop trying to win a Cup.

I do not think Shesterkin, as uberly talented as he is, is in the same stratosphere as King Henrik or Luongo. I do not think the Rangers have the same firepower that the Panthers and Lightning did. I do not think their defense is nearly as good as what the Panthers and Lightning were.

Disagree. No one will know if his longevity will rival those two, but his resume at 28 is right there with those two at 28.

Through his age 28 season, he has a better SV%, quality start rate, and GA% than either of them had through their age 28 seasons. His GSAA per 60 is better too.

His Vezina is more than Hank or Lou had combined through their age 28 seasons.

His playoff resume is miles ahead of where Hank or Lou's was at 28. In fact, Shesterkin's career playoff performance through 3 years as the Ranger's starter is noticeably better than the best 3 year playoff sample of Hank or Lou. Shesterkin has a .928 SV%, a 76.7% quality start rate, and 33.6 GSAA through 43 starts in his 3 seasons as their playoff starter. Hank's best 3 year sample was a .930 SV%, a .615 quality start rate, and a 28.6 GSAA through 57 starts. The GSAA gap is bonkers considering games played.

Time will tell whether Shesterkin can have a similar age 29+ career as those two, but what he has done so far goes beyond putting him in the same stratosphere as those two. He has outperformed them.
 
Kind of weird how you apparently stopped reading by the fourth sentence?



Yes, you have to have a really good team to win the Cup. A goalie can't win it by himself. Absolutely shocking, groundbreaking analysis that you need a really good team in front of a goalie. No one was arguing otherwise and the Rangers will still have over $80M to spend on building the rest of that roster.

I also don't have much faith in their GM, but that is a very different conversation than the argument that the Shesterkin contract makes it impossible to build a winner. I think Drury has made a number of large mistakes, but that doesn't mean everything he does is a mistake. I very much don't believe that signing Shesterkin to this deal is a mistake.

They have a top 10 winger in the league and a top 10 D man in the league. I don't like their team as much as Florida/Tampa, but they have several key pieces. They have $20M+ of cap space for next year, they hold all of their future 1st round picks, and their prospect pool has three guys they drafted in the 1st round over the last 4 drafts. They have assets to improve and are a desirable market.

I think that they are very much situated to be able to build a winner around him and that contract. I don't think that Drury will be able to do that, but I don't think that he'd have been able to do that even if Shesterkin signed for $6M AAV. I'd have no issue with Drury getting fired, but not everything a bad GM does is proof that they should be fired. And Drury shouldn't have traded Shesterkin based on the logic that he isn't good at his job so he should just stop trying to win a Cup.



Disagree. No one will know if his longevity will rival those two, but his resume at 28 is right there with those two at 28.

Through his age 28 season, he has a better SV%, quality start rate, and GA% than either of them had through their age 28 seasons. His GSAA per 60 is better too.

His Vezina is more than Hank or Lou had combined through their age 28 seasons.

His playoff resume is miles ahead of where Hank or Lou's was at 28. In fact, Shesterkin's career playoff performance through 3 years as the Ranger's starter is noticeably better than the best 3 year playoff sample of Hank or Lou. Shesterkin has a .928 SV%, a 76.7% quality start rate, and 33.6 GSAA through 43 starts in his 3 seasons as their playoff starter. Hank's best 3 year sample was a .930 SV%, a .615 quality start rate, and a 28.6 GSAA through 57 starts. The GSAA gap is bonkers considering games played.

Time will tell whether Shesterkin can have a similar age 29+ career as those two, but what he has done so far goes beyond putting him in the same stratosphere as those two. He has outperformed them.


I grew up playing goal, so when I say I'm in full support of goalies I'm not joking. How ever I am a realist and I think paying one single player that much money when that one player may not be able to single-handedly win you a game they sure as f*** can single-handedly lose you the game. Normally losing like winning has to be a team effort but a goalie can lose it on behalf of the rest of the team. Binningtons contract is about as high as I would ever want to go on any goalie.
 
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I grew up playing goal, so when I say I'm in full support of goalies I'm not joking. How ever I am a realist and I think paying one single player that much money when that one player may not be able to single-handedly win you a game they sure as f*** can single-handedly lose you the game. Normally losing like winning has to be a team effort but a goalie can lose it on behalf of the rest of the team. Binningtons contract is about as high as I would ever want to go on any goalie.
Mostly agree, although I’d go higher than 6M. But 12M or an exorbitant percentage? No way. It’s stupid and a bunch of stats does not make it smart.
 
Damn the Sabres/Wings/Senators are bums. I expected them to finally show something go from rebuild to being a playoff team but they all still suck balls. Like how is the old ass Capitals who have constantly injured players somehow better.
 
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