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ezcreepin said:
To echo your point, he doesn't even have to listen to their pitch if his mind is made up. All he has to do is say I appreciate your interest but I'd like to be moved and then it's done. Instead, he ignored them for months and didn't participate in the development camp with zero word as to why. Seems like he made his mind up then and still didn't give the Flyers any inkling as to what his intentions were. Child behavior, but he's 19 so I give him a pass this time.
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I mean to be fair we only have one side's point of view and that's the Flyers and after the leaking of the trade with the Blues this past summer I don't really think they're in the moral high ground.
 
Majorityof1 said:
Why did you waste so much of your post talking about how you get bombarded with recruiter's if you knew it was completely different?
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Why didn't you read the part about if you know you're never going to work for someone, why waste your time talking to them? That's what makes it completely not different. For some reason you seem fixated on a need to have apples-to-apples situations before you consider that. The situation isn't the point at all: it's that you seem to think Gauthier and every other draft pick owes whoever drafted them whatever time the team wants, even if the player couldn't give two shits about ever playing for the team, and I'm asking why he has to do that if it's never changing one goddamn thing about his decision.

But, if Gauthier owes the Flyers the time for them to talk to him, and every other draft pick owes whoever's holding their rights the time for the team to talk to him even if the draft pick says "we're never, ever, ever ... signing a contract together" then logically, that means for any players whose rights are held by a team where the player isn't UFA, that player owes the team the chance to talk contracts and make offers for the player to at least consider, because of "professional courtesy" and because it's "SOP" - even if the player who's not UFA couldn't give even the first shit about playing for the team again.

Which, then, means you should be equally upset at a guy Matthew Tkachuk for bailing out on Calgary like he did, when he was still a year away from UFA and Calgary wanted to keep him around. Or, any other not-yet-UFA, past present or future, who does the same thing. Or even any player currently under contract, where the team wants to talk extension and the player is nah, I'm good, I've had enough of you losers, I'm headed to market this summer.
 
Majorityof1 said:
Your example to flip the script is not 1 to 1 with this situation. Imagine if a team drafted a player, had his rights. Then they just ignored that player. They never told him things he needed to work on to earn a contract. They didn't invite him to prospect camps. They didn't return his calls. They just held his rights and ignored him. That would make everyone think less of that front office when that got out. I didn't say Gauthier needed to sign with them (the opposite of offer a contract), but he should have talked with them.
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The perfect 1-to-1 flip if we're going to be incredibly pedantic about this, is that the two sides talked contract, mostly if not completely had a deal agreed to, the player then said "you know what, I want to wait until [date] for [reason] before I sign" and the team got pissed off, pulled the offer completely, and then every time the player [player's agent] tried to reach out to the team, the team ignored him completely - to the point that when the player and his agent showed up at the team's offices, the team called the police and had both escorted away for trespassing.

Would it reflect badly on the team? Yep. Would it be stupid? Probably. Would it be the team's right to do that, though? Absolultely it would be. Nothing says the team owes the player even semi-constant communication, much less all the stuff you describe - and if the team wants to go full silent treatment on a prospect over some perceived slight like Gauthier did the Flyers, that's its choice.

Life isn't fair. Deal with the reality that exists, not the one that you wish existed.
 
Ted Hoffman said:
Why didn't you read the part about if you know you're never going to work for someone, why waste your time talking to them? That's what makes it completely not different. For some reason you seem fixated on a need to have apples-to-apples situations before you consider that. The situation isn't the point at all: it's that you seem to think Gauthier and every other draft pick owes whoever drafted them whatever time the team wants, even if the player couldn't give two shits about ever playing for the team, and I'm asking why he has to do that if it's never changing one goddamn thing about his decision.

But, if Gauthier owes the Flyers the time for them to talk to him, and every other draft pick owes whoever's holding their rights the time for the team to talk to him even if the draft pick says "we're never, ever, ever ... signing a contract together" then logically, that means for any players whose rights are held by a team where the player isn't UFA, that player owes the team the chance to talk contracts and make offers for the player to at least consider, because of "professional courtesy" and because it's "SOP" - even if the player who's not UFA couldn't give even the first shit about playing for the team again.

Which, then, means you should be equally upset at a guy Matthew Tkachuk for bailing out on Calgary like he did, when he was still a year away from UFA and Calgary wanted to keep him around. Or, any other not-yet-UFA, past present or future, who does the same thing. Or even any player currently under contract, where the team wants to talk extension and the player is nah, I'm good, I've had enough of you losers, I'm headed to market this summer.
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What the heck are you even talking about?!?!? Tkachuk talked to Calgary for months. They negotiated. He listened to their pitch, heard multiple offers. Then told them he would not re-sign because he didn't like what he heard.
 
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Xerloris said:
I mean to be fair we only have one side's point of view and that's the Flyers and after the leaking of the trade with the Blues this past summer I don't really think they're in the moral high ground.
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If he issues a statement that contradicts the Flyers, then I'll retract my statement. Until then, this is all we got *shrug*
 
Vladys Gumption said:
Philly fans are the absolute worst. Hayes is getting death threats from fans becaue or some jackass who accused Hayes of being the cause of Gauthier refusing to sign. With not a shred of evidence.
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If I may, just checking out some thoughts around the boards here. That stuff comes from inside the house. Someone within the Flyers was telling him that, or making it up. Don’t think it’s the reporter himself pulling it out of the air. Of course that doesn’t make it true, I trust that it isn’t. The Flyers only know how to be pathological liars while deflecting responsibility and they love a good smear campaign.
 
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Vladys Gumption said:
Philly fans are the absolute worst. Hayes is getting death threats from fans becaue or some jackass who accused Hayes of being the cause of Gauthier refusing to sign. With not a shred of evidence.
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It’s absolutely ridiculous, but also look at the shit that was posted about Kadri by Blues fans when he intentionally injured Binnington. Did he deserve some scrutiny, absolutely, but some of the stuff sent to him was way across the line. It’s just a social media thing.
 
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542365 said:
It’s absolutely ridiculous, but also look at the shit that was posted about Kadri by Blues fans when he intentionally injured Binnington. Did he deserve some scrutiny, absolutely, but some of the stuff sent to him was way across the line. It’s just a social media thing.
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And that shit still gets spewed today by some Blues fans, and it will get spewed for years to come. Just like when I mention Nick Kypreos, people remember one thing and get visceral with feelings accordingly.

And, all that shit talking about someone gets tolerated way too often, and it should be a zero-tolerance, "knock that shit the f*** off and shut the f*** up" thing.
 
GKJ said:
If I may, just checking out some thoughts around the boards here. That stuff comes from inside the house. Someone within the Flyers was telling him that, or making it up. Don’t think it’s the reporter himself pulling it out of the air. Of course that doesn’t make it true, I trust that it isn’t. The Flyers only know how to be pathological liars while deflecting responsibility and they love a good smear campaign.
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That certainly wouldn’t shock me. No matter what the team is gonna take some heat. But it wouldn’t surprise me to see them try to take some of it off of them.

Regardless, death threats directed at a player are absolutely disgusting.
 
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Vladys Gumption said:
That certainly wouldn’t shock me. No matter what the team is gonna take some heat. But it wouldn’t surprise me to see them try to take some of it off of them.

Regardless, death threats directed at a player are absolutely disgusting.
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Torts ripped the platform last night, but the chairman of the franchise was sitting next to those guys ripping Cutter 10 minutes after it was said. Since it is like the official podcast partner of the team or something. That had Chris Therien calling Hayes a loser too. Hayes was our all star last year, really more because of his personality and influence (which is not to say he was bad). The Flyers will love you until they need a scapegoat.

Flyers and Blues play each other on Monday so that should be interesting.
 
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Snubbed4Vezina said:
Georgiev getting the All-Star nod over Binnington is a joke.
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And neither deserved it over several other goalies that weren't voted in. You would have voted for Binnington but there are 11 goalies with a better save percentage and 17 with a better GAA (22+ games). Do you blame Colorado fans for voting for their guy even though there are better options when you would do the same?
 
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Blueston said:
this entire all star format is a joke.
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It's tough to say "this is when the ASG became a joke" but I'd say about the time Garth Butcher played in it as an injury replacement for Jeff Brown was a good start. It definitely started down that road in 1989 when it was a 9-5 game, and as scores took off from there it became more of a joke.

I've long said I'd rather just treat it as an exhibition. Pick the better players from the league regardless of team, pick 2 guys to be captains, they come out and pick teams [pre-determined so jerseys can be done up, but no one knows until everyone is lined up and captains are picking guys], play 3 periods under mostly pond hockey rules. Guys call their own penalties which are settled via penalty shots, officials are basically there for safety and to answer questions and settle disputes.

I'd also like to see actual competitions for league's fastest skater, hardest shot, etc. - this crap of "oh, just all the guys named to the team and maybe a few others hand-picked" is crap. If we're going to have a skills competition, let's see who across the league really is the best.
 
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Majorityof1 said:
And neither deserved it over several other goalies that weren't voted in. You would have voted for Binnington but there are 11 goalies with a better save percentage and 17 with a better GAA (22+ games). Do you blame Colorado fans for voting for their guy even though there are better options when you would do the same?
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You don't know who I would've voted for. Georgiev definitely doesn't deserve the nod and between the two Binnington deserves it more than Georgiev. Goalies with a sub .900 sv pct. don't deserve to play in the ASG.
 
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Snubbed4Vezina said:
You don't know who I would've voted for. Georgiev definitely doesn't deserve the nod and between the two Binnington deserves it more than Georgiev. Goalies with a sub .900 sv pct. don't deserve to play in the ASG.
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You are right, I do not know who you would have voted for. But you complained about Georiev getting votes over Binnington. You didn't mention Demko or Daccord or anyone else. So it is a fairly intuitive guess. Binnington doesn't deserve it either. But its the fan vote, not the objective person deciding who deserves it vote. So I'm not sure why the surprise.
 

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