It would probably be either Snuggy or Dvorsky headed the other way for us at the least. Probably gonna have to add something I think
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Legitimately no, unless we were giving up Thomas. Like, not there is nothing we'd want to give up that would compare. We literally do not have a piece as valuable outside of Thomas. Drysdale was the #6 OA. He has had some injury issues but has played like a top 4 D at 21. What doe we have to compare to a 21 year old top 4 D with low-end #1 upside?
Neither of those beat Drysdale.
Ducks have a ton of really good defensive prospects and Drysdale has been frequently injured.
he was on list for me of potential defenseman targets, but not at the cost flyers paid. he was drafted by prior regime as opposed to many of their other prospects, so that tends to be guy who could be had. so it's not at all surprising Ducks moved Drysdale, even though he is extremely talented young d. if he can stay healthy and develop as folks thought he would 2 years ago, he will likely be better than any other D in flyers organization. but those are big ifs.
risk for flyers is mitigated by gauthier not wanting to play for them. which apparently has been brewing for a while. i though it was odd that he skipped their development camp and briere at the time made some dismissive "i haven't spoken to him" comment. really curuious at what was at root of this confict. team tried to blow it off as no big deal, but it obviously was a big deal. him blowing them off at wjc was apparently last straw. no matter how good a prospect he is, if he doesn't want to play for team and resists multiple attempts over time to convince him otherwise, it's usually best for team to move guy for someone who will actually want to be there.
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Entirely possible we didn't know he was available. [Which happens more often than people think.] Also possible he said "I'll only go to [list of teams]," Anaheim was on that list and the Flyers didn't want to do a trade with some other team only to have Gauthier threaten to not sign there either and have blowback as a result. I'd be shocked if the Ducks didn't check to make sure Gauthier would sign there before pulling the pen out and signing off.
All that said, if the Flyers wanted a defenseman back there was no way we were going to be able to lob a bid.
Ahaha. Spittin Chiclets has posted a couple videos of Gauthier from the past stating that he was a big Pittsburgh Penguins fan growing up.
I doubt that is the only reason he doesn’t want to play there, but still funny to see.
And hey, you know what, good for him. Flyers fans will probably be mad and boo him whenever he comes to Philly but he was honest with their organization, and a deal was able to be worked out because of it. I don’t have any problems with that.
I doubt that is the only reason he doesn’t want to play there, but still funny to see.
And hey, you know what, good for him. Flyers fans will probably be mad and boo him whenever he comes to Philly but he was honest with their organization, and a deal was able to be worked out because of it. I don’t have any problems with that.
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Was he honest with them or did he just avoid them? He might not have wanted to play there but they did nothing to warrant him avoiding them at WJC, unless he knows something that isn't common knowledge. They flew a long way tp talk to him after investing a high pick on him. He could have at least sat down with them for 20 minutes and let them make their pitch. Then if he still wants to play elsewhere, work with them to facilitate it.
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If you know you're never working for some employer, are you going to spend 20 minutes of your time listening to their pitch knowing you're going to ignore all of it and still say 'no' at the end? I get contacted 2-3x a week from different places, hey would you be interested in working with us? No, I like where I'm at, I'm not jumping for the uncertainty that comes with going to somewhere else, I'm not taking 5 minutes to set up an interview and then 30 more minutes for them to make their pitch knowing I'm still going to tell them 'no' at the end.
Different [this kid has his rights held by a team, they can control where he goes], but still the same idea [he is never going to sign for them, why waste his time on it?].
You're situation is completely different. Nevermind the fact, that he is not leaving certainty for uncertainty. NHL is a closed league where teams have rights to players. The standard operating procedure in this business is to go to work for the team that drafts your rights. He is breaking with SOP. He doesn't have to talk to 2-3 teams a week, he has to talk to one team who invested a valuable asset (5OA) on him.
He could ultimately decide to stick to his gun's but why not hear what they have to say first. He made a decision without all the info and acted like a child ignoring calls and meetings. According to interviews Philly has no idea why he doesn't want to go there. If true, he didn't even bother to explain it. He just avoided them.
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so maybe being a Pens fan maybe he throws up a little in his mouth every time he thinks about putting on a Flyers jersey
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I, personally, love a good storyline. I've added Gauthier's First Game in Philadelphia to the list.
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Agreed. Lot of innuendo about Tortorella's influence but he was hired before the pick was made and the kid was on board w/ Philly in the pre-draft interviews according to nearly all sources. It's hard to make the current iteration of the Flyers upper management look good but this doesn't strike me as their issue. The kid handled it poorly and should hurt his reputation leaguewide.
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They also mentioned how his dad was cut by the Flyers too..so maybe a family vendetta lol
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Philly fans are the absolute worst. Hayes is getting death threats from fans becaue or some jackass who accused Hayes of being the cause of Gauthier refusing to sign. With not a shred of evidence.
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Social media has brought out the worst in the dumbest humanity has to offer. I hope people who send these types of things eventually have to face the music.
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According to Friedman, this is what the Gauthier trade came down to:
Gauthier wanted to sign after his college season concluded last year. Flyers said no. Gauthier told the Flyers he wanted out. I respect the Flyers decision and I can also see why Gauthier was frustrated with the organization and hesitated to play there. If they weren't going to bend here, why would they bend in future contract negotiations?
Gauthier wanted to sign after his college season concluded last year. Flyers said no. Gauthier told the Flyers he wanted out. I respect the Flyers decision and I can also see why Gauthier was frustrated with the organization and hesitated to play there. If they weren't going to bend here, why would they bend in future contract negotiations?
Hanafin might be signing an 8 year extension with Calgary within a few weeks. So there goes that option (if he signs)
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Yes, it's different from what I have - but you missed the entire point: if you know you're never going to work for someone, why waste your time talking to them at all?
Is signing with the team that drafts you SOP? Sure. Does that mean he has to follow it? No. Turn it around: the kid could be utterly sucking ass right now, but really wants to sign a contract ASAP and the team realizes "whoa, f***, we screwed that pick up." The team has zero obligation to offer him a contract. Is that SOP? No, but it's the team's right.
Would I like it if a Blues draft pick did that? No. But would I understand they have a choice in the decision? Yes. And maybe some blame here should be on Philadelphia for screwing up not signing the kid after last season over concerns about potential bonus overages [which, given the incentives he was eligible for that would have counted toward that, he was not going to hit] and not talking out a strategy that would work for both sides.
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Why did you waste so much of your post talking about how you get bombarded with recruiter's if you knew it was completely different? I mean other than to humble brag. As to why talk to them if you aren't going to work there? Professional courtesy. Its a small industry. He is violating SOP in that industry. If he doesn't want to burn bridges, he should hear them out.
Your example to flip the script is not 1 to 1 with this situation. Imagine if a team drafted a player, had his rights. Then they just ignored that player. They never told him things he needed to work on to earn a contract. They didn't invite him to prospect camps. They didn't return his calls. They just held his rights and ignored him. That would make everyone think less of that front office when that got out. I didn't say Gauthier needed to sign with them (the opposite of offer a contract), but he should have talked with them.
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To echo your point, he doesn't even have to listen to their pitch if his mind is made up. All he has to do is say I appreciate your interest but I'd like to be moved and then it's done. Instead, he ignored them for months and didn't participate in the development camp with zero word as to why. Seems like he made his mind up then and still didn't give the Flyers any inkling as to what his intentions were. Child behavior, but he's 19 so I give him a pass this time.
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