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I guarantee that they'll get Celebrini now. Absolutely guarantee it, and it'll make me physically-sick to know that this team is not getting punished for all of the horrible shit they've done.
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i realize blackhawks don't deserve benefit of the doubt after what they did to Beach, but maybe we should wait until we have more info on what Perry did before we condemn them for this latest incident. banishing perry is pretty strong step, albeit one that is weakened by them refusing to disclose what he allegedly did.
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The team with the second most World Series Championships in MLB?
They're more like the Minnesota Twins.
Minnesota Wild is nowhere near comparable to the STL Cards. lol
It’s a private personnel matter. They could, and should, be sued if they gave out details. Companies get sued for that quite often. If Perry chooses to give a public explanation, that’s fine, but his employer cannot. If the incident(s) lead to criminal charges then they would be made public but that doesn’t seem to be the case here.
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Without outright saying it, Davidson pretty adamantly denied the rumor that’s been floating around. He was really emphatic about it.
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I would say he outright said it.
It’s sad he had to even address it but he needed to unfortunately.
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GM: Blackhawks cut Perry for 'workplace matter'
The Blackhawks said veteran winger Corey Perry engaged in unacceptable conduct and took a step Tuesday toward terminating his contract.
Sounds like some sort of harassment, but I'll leave it there.
So apparently, it looks like the first person to break the news of Kane signing in Detroit was Jordan Schmaltz.
Yes, the former Blues player Jordan Schmaltz.
For some reason that’s f***ing hilarious.
Yes, the former Blues player Jordan Schmaltz.
For some reason that’s f***ing hilarious.
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Some sort of harassment seem a little light for what evidently happened. They guy giving the press conference was visibly shaken by handling the ordeal. Whatever it was seems pretty serious in my view with that sort of reaction.GM: Blackhawks cut Perry for 'workplace matter'
The Blackhawks said veteran winger Corey Perry engaged in unacceptable conduct and took a step Tuesday toward terminating his contract.www.espn.com
Sounds like some sort of harassment, but I'll leave it there.
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Could be. But it’d have to be a team employee that travels with the team. I doubt too many are female. Could just as easily be that he shoved someone (could be the equip manager, social media guy, locker room attendant, doesn’t matter) or said something super offensive.GM: Blackhawks cut Perry for 'workplace matter'
The Blackhawks said veteran winger Corey Perry engaged in unacceptable conduct and took a step Tuesday toward terminating his contract.
Sounds like some sort of harassment, but I'll leave it there.
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Kyle Davidson looked super uncomfortable up there. But I don’t think it was likely because of whatever Perry did. IMO, the entire point of the press conference was to squash the stupid Perry/Bedard’s mom rumor. My take is that he was absolutely disgusted and incensed his star 18 year old player and his mom had to see that crap.
He said virtually nothing additional about the actual incident. Most people’s reaction afterward was, if he’s not going to add new info, why even have a press conference? Because IMO the press conference being about the Perry incident was really about squashing what it wasn’t more than revealing what it was.
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If anyone touched a female employee inappropriately, it could be considered sexual assault. Would be understandable for a team with the hawks…let’s call it “history”…to be extremely reactive to anything even approaching sexual assault between employees.
Could absolutely be something said or a physical altercation with a male employee.
But the hawks do employ plenty of females, including a member of their broadcast team named Caley who also happens to be Chris Chelios’ daughter. People are speculating a lot about this but I don’t want to run afoul of HF boards rules (apologies if I have already mods).
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There is a wide array of organizationally unacceptable harassing sexual conduct between a highly paid public facing employee and a low paid support employee that falls well short of criminal sexual conduct. The majority of sexual harassment in the workplace falls short of the standard for criminal charges. And FWIW, I'm not sure why we are assuming that potential sexual misconduct is limited to a female employee. That wasn't the case in the very well publicized incidents that ruined the Hawks reputation and even though Perry is married with kids, he would be far from the first married man that stepped out on that marriage with men.
There is also a wide variety of organizationally unacceptable non-sexual harassment that falls short of criminal charges as well.
I don't have an issue with the Hawks not being transparent to the public about what happened. I think their obligations when an employee engages in unacceptable conduct is to remove that employee from others within the company, notify the league and (in most instances) the PA about the details, and (in some instances and only with the support of any victims) notify and cooperate with law enforcement.
There is also a wide variety of organizationally unacceptable non-sexual harassment that falls short of criminal charges as well.
I don't have an issue with the Hawks not being transparent to the public about what happened. I think their obligations when an employee engages in unacceptable conduct is to remove that employee from others within the company, notify the league and (in most instances) the PA about the details, and (in some instances and only with the support of any victims) notify and cooperate with law enforcement.
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Yea, everyone needs to remember that SA is different then SH. You can say something stupid in front of a co-worker and get canned, but it's not criminal (As a one off thing) He could have also potentially used a racial, ethnic, or other type of slur that once again isn't criminal but is generally grounds for dismissal.
The entire press conference was to shut up all the Twitter morons making jokes about Bedard's mom.
The entire press conference was to shut up all the Twitter morons making jokes about Bedard's mom.
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A week ago when the story broke about Perry being suspended without context I wrote this on a different platform.
"This has shades of Chicago sweeping staff misconduct under the rug like they did with the Kane allegations, sexual assault and other instances of criminal acts rather than being transparent. The NHL is bad at transparency, but several other organizations have at least communicated there is an investigation into disturbing allegations and the player is sitting out pending the results of an investigation... The Hawks have been the worst in recent memory regarding how they've dealt with off ice issues and trying to hide them."
Fast forward to today, the transparency still isn't there... But for all the criticism, Chicago can't be said to be ignoring the issue. Davidson clearly recognizes that Chicago has a spotlight on them and they need to be pro-active about anything else that could further sully their reputation currently.
I'd take that a step further and say that Davidson cut off what had the potential to become a major distraction for their young star. Any response, however cryptic had to emphatically squash anything Bedard related if there was no truth to it before the media circus and public cemented a false rumour as being true due to widespread gossip. The kid is 18. Looking at his past 2 games he dropped 3-4 mins of playing time and went pointless, there's some potential that his play suffered from the distractions (obviously speculating here, but the last 2 games are his lowest 15:57 and 3rd lowest 16:52 atoi all season, far below his current average of 19:22 a game, and 19:17-21:20 over the last 6 games).
I don't think Chicago dealt with this matter optimally, but this is definitely an improvement on how any past issues were dealt with by hiding them, rather than publicly firing the employee responsible. As mentioned, I'm sure there are legal reasons why there isn't a clearer reason being given - and I'm damn curious about what Perry did to become persona non grata in Chicago, because he was playing well and has just killed what should have been a highlight to a fairly memorable career in the cap era. There's some talk about how this could have killed his shot at a HHOF entry for a cup winner with a Hart and Rocket to his name, in addition to numerous all star appearances, international golds and a triple gold member. He wasn't a slam dunk, but ending his career in the spotlight with being fired for employee misconduct off ice will definitely throw up a hurdle.
"This has shades of Chicago sweeping staff misconduct under the rug like they did with the Kane allegations, sexual assault and other instances of criminal acts rather than being transparent. The NHL is bad at transparency, but several other organizations have at least communicated there is an investigation into disturbing allegations and the player is sitting out pending the results of an investigation... The Hawks have been the worst in recent memory regarding how they've dealt with off ice issues and trying to hide them."
Fast forward to today, the transparency still isn't there... But for all the criticism, Chicago can't be said to be ignoring the issue. Davidson clearly recognizes that Chicago has a spotlight on them and they need to be pro-active about anything else that could further sully their reputation currently.
I'd take that a step further and say that Davidson cut off what had the potential to become a major distraction for their young star. Any response, however cryptic had to emphatically squash anything Bedard related if there was no truth to it before the media circus and public cemented a false rumour as being true due to widespread gossip. The kid is 18. Looking at his past 2 games he dropped 3-4 mins of playing time and went pointless, there's some potential that his play suffered from the distractions (obviously speculating here, but the last 2 games are his lowest 15:57 and 3rd lowest 16:52 atoi all season, far below his current average of 19:22 a game, and 19:17-21:20 over the last 6 games).
I don't think Chicago dealt with this matter optimally, but this is definitely an improvement on how any past issues were dealt with by hiding them, rather than publicly firing the employee responsible. As mentioned, I'm sure there are legal reasons why there isn't a clearer reason being given - and I'm damn curious about what Perry did to become persona non grata in Chicago, because he was playing well and has just killed what should have been a highlight to a fairly memorable career in the cap era. There's some talk about how this could have killed his shot at a HHOF entry for a cup winner with a Hart and Rocket to his name, in addition to numerous all star appearances, international golds and a triple gold member. He wasn't a slam dunk, but ending his career in the spotlight with being fired for employee misconduct off ice will definitely throw up a hurdle.
I'm not sure there exists a way for Chicago to handle this situation optimally, if there's a privacy issue where they can't reveal what happened and it was bad enough to remove him from the team.
I mean what else could they have done? Made the initial announcement and noted that Perry definitely did not sleep with any player's wives, mothers, sisters, or any other family?
I laugh at people saying stuff like "well the Blackhawks said what he did was unacceptable so we know it wasn't sexual assault!" as much as anyone, but I'm not sure what anyone realistically expects them to do here if they have an obligation to protect the player's privacy.
I mean what else could they have done? Made the initial announcement and noted that Perry definitely did not sleep with any player's wives, mothers, sisters, or any other family?
I laugh at people saying stuff like "well the Blackhawks said what he did was unacceptable so we know it wasn't sexual assault!" as much as anyone, but I'm not sure what anyone realistically expects them to do here if they have an obligation to protect the player's privacy.
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I don’t really give Chicago any special credit here. If an employee has a complaint against a player about whatever, ask you imagine the liability if they DON’T act on it quickly? It may be nothing more than CYA motivation without any innate change of heart by management.
Pretty lame that their character veteran is the guy that’s getting canned. Whatever happened, that’s a bad situation.
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Those 2 extra OT loser points are critical in how amazingly better than us the Red Wings are.
zadorov to canucks for 3rd and 5th. feels light. nice trade for vancouver.
i was hoping for a 3rd, but zadorov seems like he is better.. maybe if we retain can still get 3rd for him.
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