Around the NHL 2023-2024

[joe galiba]

I wouldn't mind a team in KC if they could support it. There's already a good rivalry in baseball & soccer, why not hockey? Would make for good back to back games with a short trip there instead of chicago where you're bound to get shot, robbed, etc.

f**k KC
"The Day After" is a favorite movie of mine because KC gets obliterated

 

[joe galiba]

Such a bad idea.. this place is so far out from where it needs to be. It's like if the Blues built a new arena west of St Peters.

I'm not sure about this, the new baseball stadium and the surrounding area has been a huge success since it was moved away from downtown

also, is it just me or does the people in everyone of these renderings come off as creepy

 

[Bye Bye Blueston]

I'm not sure about this, the new baseball stadium and the surrounding area has been a huge success since it was moved away from downtown

also, is it just me or does the people in everyone of these renderings come off as creepy

the new baseball stadium is in the near north suburbs. this is in far north beyond the suburbs. if they were to build it somewhere along the north perimeter (285) or even in alpharetta i would get it. this is just way the f out there.

 

[joe galiba]

the new baseball stadium is in the near north suburbs. this is in far north beyond the suburbs. if they were to build it somewhere along the north perimeter (285) or even in alpharetta i would get it. this is just way the f out there.

Near the lake that my uncle has a house on so I am all for it, road trip baby!

 

[Memento]

f**k KC
"The Day After" is a favorite movie of mine because KC gets obliterated

I mean, I'm not the biggest K.C. fan (I've been a couple of times for boccia tournaments and once for a Cardinals game, love the BBQ, the Royals stadium was beautiful, I don't know why they're getting rid of it. Still despise the Royals and Chiefs, though.), but your animosity is...notable. Why do you hate K.C. so much? I mean, it's better than Chicago, right?

 

[The Note]

Do we really need more expansion?

It’ll hit a breaking point eventually, but as long the owners can keep banking on huge expansion fees that’s all that matters

 

[joe galiba]

I mean, I'm not the biggest K.C. fan (I've been a couple of times for boccia tournaments and once for a Cardinals game, love the BBQ, the Royals stadium was beautiful, I don't know why they're getting rid of it. Still despise the Royals and Chiefs, though.), but your animosity is...notable. Why do you hate K.C. so much? I mean, it's better than Chicago, right?

I was in Rolla in 1985 and the incredible assholeness of those from that side of the state scarred me
plus many also rooted for the Jayhawks, ugh
I think if KC got a team that I would probably root for the Hawks over them

 

[Stupendous Yappi]

f**k KC
"The Day After" is a favorite movie of mine because KC gets obliterated

Oh man, I loved it when the cockroaches picked Salt Lake City clean.

 

[Celtic Note]

I mean, I'm not the biggest K.C. fan (I've been a couple of times for boccia tournaments and once for a Cardinals game, love the BBQ, the Royals stadium was beautiful, I don't know why they're getting rid of it. Still despise the Royals and Chiefs, though.), but your animosity is...notable. Why do you hate K.C. so much? I mean, it's better than Chicago, right?

Neither city is better than Chicago aside from their sport teams and BBQ.

 

[Memento]

I was in Rolla in 1985 and the incredible assholeness of those from that side of the state scarred me
plus many also rooted for the Jayhawks, ugh
I think if KC got a team that I would probably root for the Hawks over them

Ah, that would do it. Honestly, though? I think I'm starting to hate the Blackhags so much more than the team that literally took its name from a bunch of rapists and murderers.

 

[Xerloris]

Ah, that would do it. Honestly, though? I think I'm starting to hate the Blackhags so much more than the team that literally took its name from a bunch of rapists and murderers.

Oh I do need to know wtf you're talking about.

 

[joe galiba]

Oh I do need to know wtf you're talking about.

I do
Jayhawkers were the Union equivalent scum to the Confederacy’s scum like William Quantrill and Bloody Bill Anderson
they pillaged and burned through western Missouri
they were also know as “Red Legs” and were the bad guys in the movie “The Outlaw Josey Wales”

 

[Memento]

Oh I do need to know wtf you're talking about.

Jayhawkers were the Union's most notorious war criminals, born from the "Bleeding Kansas" segment of the Civil War. Kansas, being pro-Union, fought their battles mostly in Missouri. But Jayhawkers did not go by the guidelines of war, and they - along with the Confederacy equivalent in Missouri, Quantrill's Raiders (which included the psychopath known as Bloody Bill Anderson - who had grievances as well; one of his sisters was killed and the other was maimed after poor housing in the prison they were in collapsed on top of them - and a young Jesse James) were especially brutal.

Both sides did things that made Sherman's notorious "March to Atlanta" seem like a picnic for little children. Those two sides fought all along Missouri, but the Jayhawkers were very much notorious for massacring Missourian farmers, raping Missourian women, and burning and looting towns in Missouri under a guise of them being "Confederacy sympathizers" (which a lot of those people weren't). Quantrill's Raiders went into Kansas and massacred people and raped women there. Both sides would've been tried under the Geneva Convention because what they did was beyond the pale.

Meanwhile, the Missouri Tigers were named after a militia regiment in Columbia, Missouri - volunteers who only wanted to protect their town from Jayhawkers and Quantrill's Raiders, along with other detachments from both Union and Confederacy. They successfully did so, and Columbia was amongst the few towns around that area to not be sacked.

There are many "Civil War" rivalries going about, but no rivalry in all of sports has as much hatred and history as Missouri/Kansas.

Tl;dr, Mizzou named their sports team after the defenders of their city who committed zero war crimes. Meanwhile, KU names their sports teams after a bunch of murderers and rapists.

 

[Xerloris]

I do
Jayhawkers were the Union equivalent scum to the Confederacy’s scum like William Quantrill and Bloody Bill Anderson
they pillaged and burned through western Missouri
they were also know as “Red Legs” and were the bad guys in the movie “The Outlaw Josey Wales”

Jayhawkers were the Union's most notorious war criminals, born from the "Bleeding Kansas" segment of the Civil War. Kansas, being pro-Union, fought their battles mostly in Missouri. But Jayhawkers did not go by the guidelines of war, and they - along with the Confederacy equivalent in Missouri, Quantrill's Raiders (which included the psychopath known as Bloody Bill Anderson - who had grievances as well; one of his sisters was killed and the other was maimed after poor housing in the prison they were in collapsed on top of them - and a young Jesse James) were especially brutal.

Both sides did things that made Sherman's notorious "March to Atlanta" seem like a picnic for little children. Those two sides fought all along Missouri, but the Jayhawkers were very much notorious for massacring Missourian farmers, raping Missourian women, and burning and looting towns in Missouri under a guise of them being "Confederacy sympathizers" (which a lot of those people weren't). Quantrill's Raiders went into Kansas and massacred people and raped women there. Both sides would've been tried under the Geneva Convention because what they did was beyond the pale.

Meanwhile, the Missouri Tigers were named after a militia regiment in Columbia, Missouri - volunteers who only wanted to protect their town from Jayhawkers and Quantrill's Raiders, along with other detachments from both Union and Confederacy. They successfully did so, and Columbia was amongst the few towns around that area to not be sacked.

There are many "Civil War" rivalries going about, but no rivalry in all of sports has as much hatred and history as Missouri/Kansas.

Tl;dr, Mizzou named their sports team after the defenders of their city who committed zero war crimes. Meanwhile, KU names their sports teams after a bunch of murderers and rapists.

Interesting. I didn't know of them as bands of robbers and such.

 

[Bye Bye Blueston]

I mean, I'm not the biggest K.C. fan (I've been a couple of times for boccia tournaments and once for a Cardinals game, love the BBQ, the Royals stadium was beautiful, I don't know why they're getting rid of it. Still despise the Royals and Chiefs, though.), but your animosity is...notable. Why do you hate K.C. so much? I mean, it's better than Chicago, right?

Kc bbq is so overrated. most of the supposed top places slather too much too sweet sauce on over-cooked meat. Not only does it pale in comparison to central tx bbq, but it’s not as good as Memphis or Carolina or pretty much anywhere else famed for bbq. Heck, St. Louis isn’t really known for bbq but pappys is far better than places like Joe’s or jack stack too.

 

[Stupendous Yappi]

Oh man, I loved it when the cockroaches picked Salt Lake City clean.

I just realized I’m talking about Damnation Alley, not The Day After.

Kc bbq is so overrated. most of the supposed top places slather too much too sweet sauce on over cooked meat. Not only does it park in comparison to central to bbq, but it’s not as good as Memphis or Carolina or pretty much anywhere else famed for bbq. Heck, St. Louis isn’t really known for bbq but pappys is far better than places like Joe’s or jack stack too.

After living in various parts of Texas for more than a decade, I found KC BBQ pedestrian. Too much reliance on overly sweet sauces and less attention to getting the meat right. But mediocre BBQ is still better than none.

 

[Stupendous Yappi]

Jayhawkers were the Union's most notorious war criminals, born from the "Bleeding Kansas" segment of the Civil War. Kansas, being pro-Union, fought their battles mostly in Missouri. But Jayhawkers did not go by the guidelines of war, and they - along with the Confederacy equivalent in Missouri, Quantrill's Raiders (which included the psychopath known as Bloody Bill Anderson - who had grievances as well; one of his sisters was killed and the other was maimed after poor housing in the prison they were in collapsed on top of them - and a young Jesse James) were especially brutal.

Both sides did things that made Sherman's notorious "March to Atlanta" seem like a picnic for little children. Those two sides fought all along Missouri, but the Jayhawkers were very much notorious for massacring Missourian farmers, raping Missourian women, and burning and looting towns in Missouri under a guise of them being "Confederacy sympathizers" (which a lot of those people weren't). Quantrill's Raiders went into Kansas and massacred people and raped women there. Both sides would've been tried under the Geneva Convention because what they did was beyond the pale.

Meanwhile, the Missouri Tigers were named after a militia regiment in Columbia, Missouri - volunteers who only wanted to protect their town from Jayhawkers and Quantrill's Raiders, along with other detachments from both Union and Confederacy. They successfully did so, and Columbia was amongst the few towns around that area to not be sacked.

There are many "Civil War" rivalries going about, but no rivalry in all of sports has as much hatred and history as Missouri/Kansas.

Tl;dr, Mizzou named their sports team after the defenders of their city who committed zero war crimes. Meanwhile, KU names their sports teams after a bunch of murderers and rapists.

I live in east TN in the Appalachian mountains, right in the heart of where many soldiers ‘volunteered’ for the Union. It’s a proud heritage.

A few blocks down my street is a barn that has been standing since the Civil war. A Union soldier survived the war and returned home there, only to be jumped by some confederate sympathizers who hung him in his own barn. I drive past it every time we come or go home, and often think about the injustice.

 

[Majorityof1]

Tl;dr, Mizzou named their sports team after the defenders of their city who committed zero war crimes. Meanwhile, KU names their sports teams after a bunch of murderers and rapists.

This has to be the single most bizarre thread of conversation I have ever heard or read. Nevermind, the fact you are trying to paint the pro-slavery side as the innocent victims. Never mind the fact that the term Jayhawk predates the civil war and the college chose that mascot for the same reasons as the civil war group not because of that group. Nevermind the fact that the original poster enjoys the thought of an entire city being obliterated and millions dying because he knew some people who rooted for the wrong sports team. Even ignoring all of that. .

You are justifying a sports rivalry over shit that happened 160 years ago?!?!? Does anyone alive have grandparents that were alive then? Anyone who participated in those atrocities is a century in the grave. Get over it.

 

[Snubbed4Vezina]

I just realized I’m talking about Damnation Alley, not The Day After.


After living in various parts of Texas for more than a decade, I found KC BBQ pedestrian. Too much reliance on overly sweet sauces and less attention to getting the meat right. But mediocre BBQ is still better than none.

If you're eating KC BBQ with sweet sauces you're missing the best of KC BBQ.

 

[joe galiba]

This has to be the single most bizarre thread of conversation I have ever heard or read. Nevermind, the fact you are trying to paint the pro-slavery side as the innocent victims. Never mind the fact that the term Jayhawk predates the civil war and the college chose that mascot for the same reasons as the civil war group not because of that group. Nevermind the fact that the original poster enjoys the thought of an entire city being obliterated and millions dying because he knew some people who rooted for the wrong sports team. Even ignoring all of that. .

You are justifying a sports rivalry over shit that happened 160 years ago?!?!? Does anyone alive have grandparents that were alive then? Anyone who participated in those atrocities is a century in the grave. Get over it.

got to say that raping, pillaging and murdering was not OK just because the Jayhawkers were on the Union side, many attacked were not pro-slavery in any sense, a large portion were women and children
the Jayhawkers sacked numerous towns in Missouri, Union Major General Halleck wrote a letter to his superiors complaining about them, "no better than a band of robbers; they cross the line, rob, steal, plunder, and burn whatever they can lay their hands upon. They disgrace the name and uniform of American soldiers and are driving good Union men into the ranks of the secession army."
so, yes those that were attacked by Jayhawkers were in fact innocent victims

 

[joe galiba]

I live in east TN in the Appalachian mountains, right in the heart of where many soldiers ‘volunteered’ for the Union. It’s a proud heritage.

A few blocks down my street is a barn that has been standing since the Civil war. A Union soldier survived the war and returned home there, only to be jumped by some confederate sympathizers who hung him in his own barn. I drive past it every time we come or go home, and often think about the injustice.

the Hatfields & McCoy feud was started for that very reason, Asa McCoy was murdered when he came back from fighting for the Union

 

[Bye Bye Blueston]

got to say that raping, pillaging and murdering was not OK just because the Jayhawkers were on the Union side, many attacked were not pro-slavery in any sense, a large portion were women and children
the Jayhawkers sacked numerous towns in Missouri, Union Major General Halleck wrote a letter to his superiors complaining about them, "no better than a band of robbers; they cross the line, rob, steal, plunder, and burn whatever they can lay their hands upon. They disgrace the name and uniform of American soldiers and are driving good Union men into the ranks of the secession army."
so, yes those that were attacked by Jayhawkers were in fact innocent victims

isn't that what setoff Josey Wales?

 

[joe galiba]

isn't that what setoff Josey Wales?

that is correct

 

[Memento]

This has to be the single most bizarre thread of conversation I have ever heard or read. Nevermind, the fact you are trying to paint the pro-slavery side as the innocent victims. Never mind the fact that the term Jayhawk predates the civil war and the college chose that mascot for the same reasons as the civil war group not because of that group. Nevermind the fact that the original poster enjoys the thought of an entire city being obliterated and millions dying because he knew some people who rooted for the wrong sports team. Even ignoring all of that. .

You are justifying a sports rivalry over shit that happened 160 years ago?!?!? Does anyone alive have grandparents that were alive then? Anyone who participated in those atrocities is a century in the grave. Get over it.

I am not trying to paint pro-slavery as innocent victims. I clearly said that the Confederate side was equally awful in my post. Quantrill's Raiders were evil people. Slavery was an evil thing, and a black mark on our history. I am painting the victims of the Jayhawkers and Quantrill's Raiders as innocent victims. The vast majority of them were pro-Union, the vast majority didn't even own slaves. It did not matter if they were women and children either.

The difference between Missouri and Kansas is that Kansas glorifies the Jayhawkers by taking their name (and don't try to say that it predates because it - doesn't - matter. The word itself was appropriated by a group of some of the worst war criminals of the Civil War, and much like you wouldn't name a team after a word that has been used as a slur that wasn't originally meant as a slur or a group that perpetuated evil acts under the guise of a specific word, Kansas should not have used the word "Jayhawk" for their team. But they did.), while Missouri glorifies a militia group used for protection only, who didn't even own slaves, but protected their town.

I am not justifying a sports rivalry; I am stating historical facts that are used in what is truly based on the actual Civil War, starting with Bleeding Kansas, and showing its true hatred into the modern day.

As for anyone who participated in those atrocities is in the grave? The people who ordered and committed violent acts in the Spanish Inquisition are in the grave. Andrew Jackson, who ordered the Trail of Tears, is in the grave. The people who committed the Armenian Genocide are in the grave. Does that mean we "get over it" with them? Those who forget those things, the atrocities that men have committed on fellow man, need to be reminded that atrocities should not be forgotten.

 

[Majorityof1]

I am not trying to paint pro-slavery as innocent victims. I clearly said that the Confederate side was equally awful in my post. Quantrill's Raiders were evil people. Slavery was an evil thing, and a black mark on our history. I am painting the victims of the Jayhawkers and Quantrill's Raiders as innocent victims. The vast majority of them were pro-Union, the vast majority didn't even own slaves. It did not matter if they were women and children either.

The difference between Missouri and Kansas is that Kansas glorifies the Jayhawkers by taking their name (and don't try to say that it predates because it - doesn't - matter. The word itself was appropriated by a group of some of the worst war criminals of the Civil War, and much like you wouldn't name a team after a word that has been used as a slur that wasn't originally meant as a slur or a group that perpetuated evil acts under the guise of a specific word, Kansas should not have used the word "Jayhawk" for their team. But they did.), while Missouri glorifies a militia group used for protection only, who didn't even own slaves, but protected their town.

I am not justifying a sports rivalry; I am stating historical facts that are used in what is truly based on the actual Civil War, starting with Bleeding Kansas, and showing its true hatred into the modern day.

As for anyone who participated in those atrocities is in the grave? The people who ordered and committed violent acts in the Spanish Inquisition are in the grave. Andrew Jackson, who ordered the Trail of Tears, is in the grave. The people who committed the Armenian Genocide are in the grave. Does that mean we "get over it" with them? Those who forget those things, the atrocities that men have committed on fellow man, need to be reminded that atrocities should not be forgotten.

The trail of Tears is not ok because Jackson is dead. But I don't think you should hate people who rooted for Jackson State University because of it. Nor should people hate you because you root tor St. Louis, named for Louis Ix who committed atrocities against Muslims in the crusades. Time does not dull atrocities. But ancient atrocities are no cause to hate someone barely tangentially related to them a century later.

Kansas is the Jayhawks not jayhawkers. The team was not named after the jayhawkers. Very few people know who the Jayhawjers are and even less ever think about them when watching a kansas sporting event. Connecting a person cheering on a college sports team in 2023 to civil war atrocities is beyond insane.