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Scratched his last game.

If we get past the apologist approach, the reality is that this kid has not looked like a future NHL star since coming over to North America.
 
Underperforming team could push the Oil to make a hasty decision with him. I agree with Edge. He hasn't looked good at the professional level. But he's so young there so much hockey ahead of him. If that trend continues, his value will likely continue to diminish as well. Too new in his career to apply sell while value is low theory. Still a big mystery.
 
Lion Hound said:
Underperforming team could push the Oil to make a hasty decision with him. I agree with Edge. He hasn't looked good at the professional level. But he's so young there so much hockey ahead of him. If that trend continues, his value will likely continue to diminish as well. Too new in his career to apply sell while value is low theory. Still a big mystery.
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From an objective, and somewhat unpopular standpoint, I'm hard pressed to find a player in recent memory who was valued so highly, who stumbled this badly, and still put together what would be considered a top-end career.

I'm not talking about later first round picks, or guys who produced at the minor league level but struggled to transition to the NHL, I'm talking about a guy who keeps falling from the start of his draft year, hasn't looked terribly impressive at the AHL level and hasn't looked terribly impressive at the NHL level.

There's always this fear that you're selling with the value low. But it seems to me that barring a major turnaround, the likes of which I can't seem to recall in recent memory, the value is actually far more likely to keep decreasing.

The question is which team is enamored enough to ignore all of those factors and overpay for a player who, objectively, does not have great odds of being a star.

#UnpopularOpinions #PartyPooper
 
I don't see Puljujarvi having "franchise altering" trade value. When guys with that draft pedigree struggle and end up floating around the rumor mill, well, the return tends to be less than stellar.

The Oilers are in bad shape and the pressure has to be on to get things going in the right direction. Even the media is turning on Chia up there. He's going to make a deal, but the only question is whether or not it'll be the nail in the coffin for his tenure there.
 
I just got home after spending Thanksgiving in North Carolina and I wanted to give everyone a heads up about the dire state of things in Raleigh. The Hurricanes have a lot of young talent but to say the market is not responding is an understatement. At the Rangers/Hurricanes game, there were about 7000 fans in the building and at least a third of them were Rangers fans. For a night that traditionally draws big crowds and an original six opponent, it was an awful crowd. In talking with Hurricane fans and Arena employees, it was one of the biggest crowds of the season. The arena is a morgue, game operations suck and there is no local marketing of note. My son who lives in Raleigh has been to a few games and he regularly pays $30 for lower level tickets. Living in Phoenix, I know a little about struggling franchises and I can tell you, Carolina is in much worse shape than the Coyotes. Quebec may still get their team .
 
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3 goals champ. Alex Debringcat in the end of 2nd. in Hawk - Anaheim game. I only look at stats here and not the live game, but he is only 19 years old 2016 CHI, 2nd rd, 9th pk (39th overall) - so it was a surprise and a decent start for him 13 pts in 22 Games in his NHL career - his stats before the game. And after the game 16 pts in 23 G unless he get more pts. in the 3rd. :)

Jacob Trouba get a goal in the Jets game - not sure if they like to move him for Ryan Mc. ;)
 
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This is why the loser point in a "two-points for a win" system is bad. Creates false parity.
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I harp on this every time, but it really, really pisses me off that games that go into overtime produce 50% more points in the standings (2+1) than games that end in regulation (2+0). False parity is the perfect term for it.

What is wrong with a 3-point system? 3 points for a regulation win, 2 points for an OT/SO win, 1 point for an OT/SO loss.
 
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darko said:
Why the hell did Columbus let go William Karlsson? Killing it for Vegas.
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Well, as good as Billy Kay is, he was not going to be protected over others. It's similar to Lindberg. He's good, but there were better players that needed to be protected.
 
And that's why it pisses me off that Vegas is in first. Are you kidding me? They have some pretty good players on that team and are going to make the playoffs. They should go thru what other expansion teams have had to endure in their first few years of existence instead of being gifted some pretty good players. The Rangers, for example, had to decide who to protect between Grabner, Fast, and Lindberg. All of them are good players that the rangers wanted to keep but couldn't and losing Lindberg has hurt our depth. The NHL is a joke run by morons.
 
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I just got home after spending Thanksgiving in North Carolina and I wanted to give everyone a heads up about the dire state of things in Raleigh. The Hurricanes have a lot of young talent but to say the market is not responding is an understatement. At the Rangers/Hurricanes game, there were about 7000 fans in the building and at least a third of them were Rangers fans. For a night that traditionally draws big crowds and an original six opponent, it was an awful crowd. In talking with Hurricane fans and Arena employees, it was one of the biggest crowds of the season. The arena is a morgue, game operations suck and there is no local marketing of note. My son who lives in Raleigh has been to a few games and he regularly pays $30 for lower level tickets. Living in Phoenix, I know a little about struggling franchises and I can tell you, Carolina is in much worse shape than the Coyotes. Quebec may still get their team .
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To be fair, the night before Thanksgiving in Raleigh is much different than that night in New York, or a "northern city". Many people are traveling.

That said, the Hurricanes situation is probably the worst in the NHL, yet nobody wants to admit it. The franchise is dead man walking and I have to believe Peter Karmanos knows that. I think he's hoping against hope that someone will buy his team for double their worth so he can get out now, or he'll just hang on running a bare bones organization until 2024, when the lease expires, and he'll move on his own then.

Worst part about it is, Raleigh is not necessarily a bad market from a fan perspective, but it's an extremely limited market, and there is only so much money there. Very little corporate support, or even ability for corporate support, and very few people with extremely deep pockets. Average income may be very high compared to the other cities in the league, but there are very few very high rollers in the RTP. Lots of upper middle class new money, but not a lot of ability to drop $10k on season tickets, when there is no actual market for resale.
 
What Door said:
I harp on this every time, but it really, really pisses me off that games that go into overtime produce 50% more points in the standings (2+1) than games that end in regulation (2+0). False parity is the perfect term for it.

What is wrong with a 3-point system? 3 points for a regulation win, 2 points for an OT/SO win, 1 point for an OT/SO loss.
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It really should be a 3-point system.

The "loser point" really isn't. It's a point for the regulation tie. But, in effect, it becomes a point for losing after regulation.
 
bobbop said:
I just got home after spending Thanksgiving in North Carolina and I wanted to give everyone a heads up about the dire state of things in Raleigh. The Hurricanes have a lot of young talent but to say the market is not responding is an understatement. At the Rangers/Hurricanes game, there were about 7000 fans in the building and at least a third of them were Rangers fans. For a night that traditionally draws big crowds and an original six opponent, it was an awful crowd. In talking with Hurricane fans and Arena employees, it was one of the biggest crowds of the season. The arena is a morgue, game operations suck and there is no local marketing of note. My son who lives in Raleigh has been to a few games and he regularly pays $30 for lower level tickets. Living in Phoenix, I know a little about struggling franchises and I can tell you, Carolina is in much worse shape than the Coyotes. Quebec may still get their team .
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Quebec will get the Islanders.
 
Nickmo82 said:
It's kind of nuts that Philly already has 7 OT losses. 8 game losing streak but still not too far back because of so many loser points.
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I think Philly has a pretty good team. That game vs the Pens last night was a great one to watch. I'm pissed the Pens won but still a great game.
 
PlamsUnlimited said:
Going to Sabres/Lightning tonight. Expecting a blowout
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Should be fun and exciting, have a good time! Hoping for Cally to get on the board tonight. He has been looking great as of late just can't get much production this season, but not all on him. Big reason why they are not currently in a 4 game losing streak now.
 
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3 pts system is the best, but the debate might be in OT and penalties +2 pts. to win. If 3 pts system maybe they need to drop OT + penalties. A draw game is a draw 1 pts for both teams like in soccer.
But I like OT + penalties as well so it`s not an easy decision to remove that from the game.
 
Ori said:
3 pts system is the best, but the debate might be in OT and penalties +2 pts. to win. If 3 pts system maybe they need to drop OT + penalties. A draw game is a draw 1 pts for both teams like in soccer.
But I like OT + penalties as well so it`s not an easy decision to remove that from the game.
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No need to drop OT/shootout. 3 point for win within regular time. 1 point each if the game goes to overtime and 1 extra point to winner of OT/shootout.
 
Lion Hound said:
Underperforming team could push the Oil to make a hasty decision with him. I agree with Edge. He hasn't looked good at the professional level. But he's so young there so much hockey ahead of him. If that trend continues, his value will likely continue to diminish as well. Too new in his career to apply sell while value is low theory. Still a big mystery.
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Reminds me of Yakopov a little......same underachieving kid with tons of talent (seemingly) these type players are up against so much converting to NHL style and LIFE in general. Only the best and toughest individuals eventually make it. So many things against them.......this is just my opinion. Godspeed. Life sucks sometimes. This is their version.
 
darko said:
He's 19.
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People are overstating the talent he has. He doesn't have good hands or vision. If you don't have those, you're unlikely to be a star player.

The worse thing is, he is even more flawed besides those two points.
 
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