Around the NHL 2015-16: Part II

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kirby11

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Just start calling obstruction again like they did ten years ago. Problem solved, and the game is a lot more fun to watch, too (not just more goals for the sake of MOAR GOALZ ;)).

Agreed. The league found a good standard between 06-08ish where it wasn't the penalty fest right after the lockout, but skill was rewarded and obstruction/interference and holding were routinely called and allowed the game to flourish.
 

misterchainsaw

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Changing the moronic standings system would at least stop encouraging coaches from playing defensively, especially late in games.

By giving out extra points for going to overtime, the NHL is actually incentivizing teams to play low scoring, low event hockey. A team that scores and allows an average of 2 goals a game will go to overtime more often (and hence earn more points) than an equal team that scores and allows 4 per game.
 

haseoke39

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Not sure where to put this, but I'm getting excited about the fact that we're a reasonable team again meaning it's time for another Ice Bowl at the Ralph.
 

DazedandConfused

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Not sure where to put this, but I'm getting excited about the fact that we're a reasonable team again meaning it's time for another Ice Bowl at the Ralph.

Is there anything stopping Pegula from just having an outdoor game yearly? Whether it be labeled the Winter Classic or not.
 

yahhockey

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The issue may be that right now the outdoor games are NHL money grabs where they control most/all aspects of the game and collect the revenue. I'm not sure if they would allow Pegula to go rogue and host a game on his own accord. It's a nice thought but more than likely he will play the game and wait a year or two before trying to host another Winter Classic with full NHL support.

I cringe at the thought of how much tickets will be for the next outdoor game in Buffalo. We piad $39 a ticket for the upper upper levels near the goalie. Given the pricing for some of the recent game it's hard to imagine the same ticket for less than $100, probably 125+. Ha, found the prices for the Boston/Montreal game and the upper levels are going for 125-250 however that also includes the legends game on Dec 31. Truthfully the game was a lot of fun and I would easily pay over 100 to go again but the price to fun ratio would be maxed out well before hitting the $200 mark.
 

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Is there anything stopping Pegula from just having an outdoor game yearly? Whether it be labeled the Winter Classic or not.

I'm not sure it's really an outdoor game per se - but it could be.

I think that when we have a new downtown Bills stadium - which looks like will be south of the Casino - there should be a "hockey configuration" that is more than just putting the rink in the middle of a football field. Maybe set it up in one end and have temporary seating to allow maybe 30,000 fans for a few select games without too horrible sightlines. I don't know if it's possible, but it's a thought. Then, maybe once or twice a year if it has a retractable roof and it's nice but cold out you open it for one or two of the games. I mean it's a real stretch but with the Pegulas owning both the Sabres and the Bills, they should consider it as long as it doesn't compromise the stadium for Bills games.
 

Der Jaeger

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There was more time and space back then because players were smaller and (more importantly) they were slower/less athletic than today. Players now can close down time and space with a skill and speed that just didn't exist back then. But once you got near another player back then there was tons of hooking and holding. Its stands out glaringly in any game I watch from that era. In front of the net, pretty much anything was allowed. Thats not remotely the case now.

The game back then looks more akin to the speed of a bar league game when compared to the modern NHL and the speed its played at.

There's more to the differences than just the size and speed of the athletes. I agree with you on those two points, though. No denying that the average NHL player today is bigger and in better shape than the average 1980's skater.

I think there's more at play:
- Rink size. The Aud was 15 feet shorter in length. 1980's rinks weren't 200 feet.
- Rule changes: two line passes was a rule in the 80's and 90's.
- Butterfly goalie style
- Goalie pad size
- Interference

So while the 1980's skaters didn't have the size and closing speed of today's skaters, they had less ice to cover, forward couldn't stretch the neutral zone, and they shot on smaller, stand-up goalies.

I think it offsets to some degree.

I do think calling interference would have a big impact. We all saw that in 2006. I also agree that something needs to be done about goalie pads or the net size.

Here's what I think would work the best: the NHL ought to consider working with the IIHF to set a standard that both the NHL and IIHF uses. 200 x 98.4 might be a good compromise solution. That would open up the rink laterally to allow more room for skaters to get past defenders.
 

haseoke39

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I mean, there's like, 4 outdoor games a year now. We haven't had one in 9 years. We could do one next year, and every two or three thereafter, and never look out of place so long as they kept selling out.
 

vcv

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I mean, there's like, 4 outdoor games a year now. We haven't had one in 9 years. We could do one next year, and every two or three thereafter, and never look out of place so long as they kept selling out.
I have to imagine they are talking about a game in buffalo next year with Eichel vs mcdavid
 

old kummelweck

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They are never going to call it like they did 10 years ago. Posters need to let that go. The players and some GMs wanted more obstruction allowed because dmen were getting killed by unobstructed forwards on the forecheck.
The way I remember it, they wanted to bring back the battles in front of the net, and that is where they relaxed the rules a little. That seems to be more broadly allowed now as you described above.

It was really the teams like Boston and Philly who were ill prepared for the rule changes and got the game adjusted. Remember Hatcher back there? LOL.
 

joshjull

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The way I remember it, they wanted to bring back the battles in front of the net, and that is where they relaxed the rules a little. That seems to be more broadly allowed now as you described above.

It was really the teams like Boston and Philly who were ill prepared for the rule changes and got the game adjusted. Remember Hatcher back there? LOL.

I do and that certainly is worth a lot of :laugh:
 

Jim Bob

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No BS, I want them to be much smaller in width than they are now. Somewhere in between what they have now and something that just covers the leg.

When they reduced pad width from 12" to 11", they also had 10" wide prototypes and they looked ridiculous.

My guess is that they could go to 10" wide pads, but not much less than that.

http://ingoalmag.com/news/chest-protectors-pants-to-be-targeted-for-nhl-gear-shrinking/



They are going to work to make the C/As and pants even more form fitting.

I do think one area to look at would be making compression fitted C/As and pads with really hard shells made with Kevlar or carbon fiber plates. That not only would shrink the upper body profiles for goalies, they might also make rebound control tougher.
 

Jim Bob

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http://twointhebox.com/2015/11/11/upcoming-equipment-changes-are-a-step-in-the-right-direction/

Oddly enough, the last time a major rule change for goaltenders went into effect (2005-06), many goalies found the new, streamlined equipment to aid in their mobility. Losing an inch on their pads was a small price to pay in terms of weight savings and the ability to move side-to-side. While I don’t think making changes to the construction of chest protectors and pants will bring about the same type of claims, but it’s something to consider. In a world where goaltenders continue to improve their athleticism, streamlining the gear could truly benefit certain players.

There is a larger issue here, of course, and that is the league is failing to realize the larger and likely more pressing issue at hand. It’s easy to say that they need to increase offense and simply cut down on goalie gear, but what about the other issues at hand? Obstruction is creeping back into the game, fewer penalties are being called and the league even added new rules that take goals off the board this very season.

The post 2004-05 lockout world was one filled with powerplays, smaller goaltending equipment and plenty of goals. The league was enforcing rules that opened up play and rewarded skill players. As the referees have allowed previous infractions to slip, powerplays and goals have gone down.

In the story I linked above, it references Sidney Crosby and Corey Perry’s goal scoring woes this season. They’re hardly the only two suffering these past couple of years and the story even notes that the league’s best players aren’t being given enough opportunity to score goals. Perhaps the league should look at the bigger picture here and realize they need to open things up. That goes well beyond the easiest decision of simply shrinking goaltender’s equipment or enlarging the nets.

There is the problem with focusing mostly on the size of goalie gear.

It didn't help last time. I won't be surprised if it doesn't help this time.
 

Jim Bob

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http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/why-its-time-to-call-nhl-goaltenders-bluff/

But from a writer who wrote a decade ago that he could fix this problem in 15 minutes — thus enraging the Hockey Ops folks who were banging their heads against an NHLPA wall for years — here’s a better idea:

Make gear 20 per cent smaller, and force goalies to be more athletic and cut down the angles by leaving their crease. That will increase scoring while phasing out those big, immobile netminders who have become reliant on over-sized equipment to stay in the game.

Fans will see a far more exciting brand of goaltending, with glove saves and kick saves, and goals will go up.

And the goalies that can’t play anymore? Screw ‘em. When they removed the red line and obstruction from the game, nobody cried any tears for players like Derian Hatcher and Wade Redden, who were forced into retirement because they weren’t quick enough to play anymore.

There is a new level of cooperation between the NHLPA, the NHL and hopefully soon, the equipment manufacturers, we are told. The hope is to have some prototype equipment out for the All-Star Game, so the new parameters can be installed next season.

They want to cut down on shoulder/chest mass, rounding off the shoulders to follow the contour of a goalie’s true skeleton. They also want jerseys and pants that fit much tighter. And if they could eliminate the cheater — that huge pad that “protects†a goalie’s wrist — altogether, they would.

We’d throw in catching gloves that extends many inches beyond the hand. Take away their jai alai scoops and replace them with middle infielders' gloves – then tell me if we still need bigger nets.

The term being used is “realistic†equipment, and really — how can you talk about bigger net frames, illegal defences and over-coaching, when this elephant has been standing in hockey’s boardroom for nigh on 20 years?

The league knows that technology has produced padding that is strong enough to do this, because they have seen almost zero “puck impact†injuries over the past few seasons. And if the manufacturers balk at the time frame, it’s time to call B.S. on them too.

When it comes to a lack of scoring, one of hockey biggest issues to these eyes is that shot blocking has mushroomed. There was a time when four or five skaters on any team blocked shots. Now, 15 or 16 do.

Why? Because skaters’ equipment has evolved to the point where pucks don’t hurt like they used to. Sure, the odd one stings, or breaks a foot. But big picture, protection has given birth to courage.

Yet somehow, the goalies have made us believe that their equipment has not evolved as well.

I think it would be interesting to see what were to happen if the NHL hired a smaller custom goalie gear manufacturer like Chris Piku to make some radically small prototypes and test them out.

If things worked, then tell the manufacturers that they have to figure out how to comply within a reasonable timeframe.

Most likely for the start of the 2017-18 season if they started today.
 

Jim Bob

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http://www.tampabay.com/sports/hock...ence-in-steven-stamkos-contract-talks/2253447

But Stamkos' agent, Don Meehan from Newport Sports, shed some light on the negotiations Monday night in an interview with Toronto's TSN 1050. Meehan said while there were "some issues" he and Stamkos dealt with at the end of the year, they are just practicing "due diligence to the nth degree."

"All that we're really doing …is taking a little bit more time," Meehan said. "But we're engaged with Steve Yzerman. And as I say, we have a great relationship with him. And when you get to a point in a career where you have professional decisions to make like this — as you know, the Collective Bargaining Agreement doesn't really afford you this kind of opportunity that often. And the Collective Bargaining Agreement is a give and take process, and it's something that you — for this kind of a decision and this kind of player, I really think that you have to practice due diligence to the nth degree."

Stamkos could warrant a deal similar to the eight-year, $84 million contracts Blackhawks stars Patrick Kane and Jonathan Toews signed in 2014. Meehan said while it's not the norm for a star player to be unsigned in his contract year, he points out it's not unprecedented. One of Meehan's clients, the Ducks' Corey Perry, signed a eight-year, $69 million deal in March 2013.
 

Sabre Dance

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Seems Stamkos is destined to be a Leaf. Leafs will quickly turn around.

Going to be a fun rivalry.
 

Jim Bob

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Truly I do not care how they look.

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Here you go.

Problem solved.

:sarcasm:
 
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