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TheLegend
Hangman's booking agent... he'll do anything.
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TheLegend
Hangman's booking agent... he'll do anything.
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Edmonton has had the same exact problems forever and it’s been painfully obvious the entire time to absolutely everyone but Ken Holland who is a complete idiot.
They can’t do anything until they get a goalie. As soon as they have a goalie they need to immediately begin addressing the blueline. Goalie is unquestionably the top priority.
Jagged Ice
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They really need to address that blueline. Toronto has the exact same problem. Morgan Reilly is the only guy on that team that plays defense. How does either team fix a hole that deep?
Steve Dangle was talking about this on yesterday's podcast. He was upset they missed out on Dumba. That's how bad things are in Toronto. Moments later I got another chuckle when he found out we got Durzi for a 2nd.
Funny how all these podcasters that used to laugh at BA moves are becoming more quiet about things on the ice in AZ.
Now if we could just resolve that one big thing off the ice.
Arizonatah Coyetis
Formerly Kai Yo T
Individually no but their Team attention to defenceman is worse.
Thats a great deal for the coyotes. Would you give up 2 1sts for vej? I don't see us getting 1 1st for him let alone 2 of them. The Oilers will either wait it out or get a much better deal for another goal tender, like a second for a proven goal tender. Vej is far from proven as a #1 for a playoff run. I also think the Oilers wait it out until the TDL before they give up 2 #1 picks.
TML and the Oilers have the same major problem, lack of solid D on the back end and forwards that aren't very responsible either, this is Mathews/Marner/McDrai, Tip used to point this out as well. Both teams are enamored with star players that produce offense. The goal tender gets the blame in both cases, but isn't the main problem.
Arizonatah Coyetis
Formerly Kai Yo T
Arizona:
13 GP
SA/GM 31.77 (21st in NHL)
SA for season 413
GA for season 37
SV% .910 (9th best in NHL)
Edmonton:
12 GP
SA/GM 29.67 (11th best in NHL)
SA for season 356
GA for season 50
SV% .860 (Worst in NHL)
EDM is allowing around 3 shots less per game than AZ, yet AZ has a .500 record and EDM only has a .208 record. It appears that EDM's D is doing a pretty good job at minimizing how many shots their goaltenders face, but the goaltenders just aren't doing their part to keep 'em out of the net, based on stat watching.
13 GP
SA/GM 31.77 (21st in NHL)
SA for season 413
GA for season 37
SV% .910 (9th best in NHL)
Edmonton:
12 GP
SA/GM 29.67 (11th best in NHL)
SA for season 356
GA for season 50
SV% .860 (Worst in NHL)
EDM is allowing around 3 shots less per game than AZ, yet AZ has a .500 record and EDM only has a .208 record. It appears that EDM's D is doing a pretty good job at minimizing how many shots their goaltenders face, but the goaltenders just aren't doing their part to keep 'em out of the net, based on stat watching.
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If perspective doesn't matter then you are correct. But in reality go watch highlights of last couple Oiler games and tell me which goals are the goalies fault?
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Are you serious? Of course not. That’s not even remotely close to the proposed trade.
Of course not. What are you talking about? Who is saying Vejmelka could return two firsts? That’s absurd.
Wait until the trade deadline? Haha. There’s a 0% chance of that happening. That’s such a ridiculous notion. What would be the point of waiting until they are eliminated from the playoffs to start begins g to attempt to address this issue? Of course they won’t wait. Nothing in the world makes less sense than waiting.
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@Schemp - Zadorov asking for a trade. His camp leaking to insiders and his agent basically confirming it on Twitter.
I still maintain we are not yet in the position to acquire 28 year old pending UFAs. But I do agree with your assessment that Zadorov is very much a BA type player. I also concede that we have literally too many 2nd and 3rd rounders (we’ll never have the contract space to sign all the prospects we want to sign). So maybe if Zadorov is enthusiastic about the potential for maybe extending we could go for it?
Our blueline is pretty bad. We could use another bonafide NHL D. Especially a big tough one with a cannon shot, who’s vocal and violent.
I still maintain we are not yet in the position to acquire 28 year old pending UFAs. But I do agree with your assessment that Zadorov is very much a BA type player. I also concede that we have literally too many 2nd and 3rd rounders (we’ll never have the contract space to sign all the prospects we want to sign). So maybe if Zadorov is enthusiastic about the potential for maybe extending we could go for it?
Our blueline is pretty bad. We could use another bonafide NHL D. Especially a big tough one with a cannon shot, who’s vocal and violent.
Arizonatah Coyetis
Formerly Kai Yo T
I guess I will have to. Stat watching it just seems like the goaltenders are facing very few shots compared to other teams (11th best in the league) and they just aren't making many big saves when a shot does end up on net (NHL worst SV%)
Edit: I'm not hinting that D isn't a problem, just that according to stats only goaltending looks worse. It's only 1 game, but if Campbell continues to suck it up in the AHL I think we'll have a better idea how responsible he was for not stopping more pucks behind EDM's defense.
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TheLegend
Hangman's booking agent... he'll do anything.
I'm definitely not saying the goalies have been anything but bad but if I'm an Oiler's fan I'm far more concerned that McDavid can barely skate and is generating little, Draisaitl is an angry boy who seems to have forgotten how to shoot and backcheck while the rest of team is unwilling to put in the effort to either attack the opponents net or protect my own. Last night they played what was the Leagues worst team and the loss does not land on the goalie.
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If the agent says to BA that big Z would be super pumped to be a Yote and is very open to re-signing and if we can get him for like the two Kassian picks (‘24 3rd and ‘25 2nd) I could get behind it.
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Yes, Edmonton's goalie sv% is atrocious, but the Oilers are only scorIng 2.58 gls/gm. Last season they led the league at 3.96.
If you're team success is dependent on winning high scoring games, and then scoring hits the skids, it ain't pretty.
If you're team success is dependent on winning high scoring games, and then scoring hits the skids, it ain't pretty.
Your proposal had 2 firsts in it. We aren't getting 1 first round pick let alone 2 from the Oilers in any trade involving one of our goal tenders. The Oilers have other problems to fix as well before they give up a premium asset (1st) for an unproven goal tender (either Yotes goalie). The Oilers might trade for a goal tender now but if they do, it will be somebody more proven, they need to be certain of what they are getting. If a Coyote goalie is the solve, they give us a second now or at the TDL.
They got off to a bad start, McDavid got hurt, and everything snowballed from there. They look bad, real bad, but I think they will snap out of it. They have a pretty solid group and while their D is suspect, it's not as bad as what they are showing, I think.
I think the Oilers have to take a deep breath and regroup. They are very capable of going on a run with their talent. Holland has been in this situation before so I don't think he makes any quick moves unless he thinks it will improve his team. A coaching change is more likely than trading a few players.
