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Speaking of Stepan, add him to the list of ex-Yotes playing in the conference final. That's 8 players (9 if you count Kessel).

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rt said:
Lazy, loafing, loser. He was captain of the cruise ship, here. And Demers was the Activities Director. Between those two, all of the spirit and effort was completely sucked from the team. Not to mention Tocchet and Kessel. Worst kind of country club.

There’s a Chiclets interview you can listen to where Goligoski credits Stepan for helping him realize he shouldn’t take things too seriously. And another interview (maybe the same I don’t remember) where Stepan talking about drinking a six pack of Bud lite every night. Even nights before a game. Then there was that time when Demers was complaining about having to endure training camp and talking like pre season games were beneath him. And Stepan is laughing along.

That was the darkest era of coyotes history. We’ve usually been bad. But that group was completely unlikable.
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Jesus I don't think I heard all of that. f*** Stepan and Demers again.
 
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Justin Bourne spit balling... Go to Arizona and tell them I want Keller, Cooley, and a 1st and here is Marnwr. Glad first reaction is always, let's rob Arizona of everything and give them our problem.
 
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Matias Maccete said:
Maybe. As veterans who were acquired to help lead though, maybe they could have been the ones leading?
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I’m certain they were, within the confines of what their leadership was mandating. I said it several times in those days: Never too high, never too low can be overdone. That and professionalism were the mandate - Step and the others did their job as directed.
 
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Coyotedroppings said:
I’m certain they were, within the confines of what their leadership was mandating. I said it several times in those days: Never too high, never too low can be overdone. That and professionalism were the mandate - Step and the others did their job as directed.
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Stepan was fine. The Coyotes were a budget team with success measured by management as being competitive. The team was built only to fill a schedule, much like the Washington Generals team which plays the Globetrotters. The Coyotes team was paid to compete, not to win a cup, and was not in a rebuild, IMO. Reminds me of another time when Doan bitterly complained, in public, that there were too many teenagers on the team.
 
Bonsai Tree said:
Stepan was fine. The Coyotes were a budget team with success measured by management as being competitive. The team was built only to fill a schedule, much like the Washington Generals team which plays the Globetrotters. The Coyotes team was paid to compete, not to win a cup, and was not in a rebuild, IMO. Reminds me of another time when Doan bitterly complained, in public, that there were too many teenagers on the team.
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Washington Generals?
OUCH! :laugh:
 
TheLegend said:
Should have sat longer…. :laugh:

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Sullivan was pissed Hextall sat on his hands at the trade deadline, and considering what Florida is doing in the playoffs he has a pretty good case, so now they're going to over correct and sign a GM who acts like his primary function is to execute trades. haha
 
Sinurgy said:
Sullivan was pissed Hextall sat on his hands at the trade deadline, and considering what Florida is doing in the playoffs he has a pretty good case, so now they're going to over correct and sign a GM who acts like his primary function is to execute trades. haha
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Biggest thing is Chayka will make trades but only build what he wants and Sullivan will continue to stay pissed.
 
TheLegend said:
Biggest thing is Chayka will make trades but only build what he wants and Sullivan will continue to stay pissed.
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Chayka was the owners pet, he did whatever the owner told him to do. I still think Barroway is the one to blame for ruining the last rebuild. He didn't give a f*** about the future of the Yotes, he wanted a a mediocre "playoff" team that looked ok on paper as quick as possible so he could flip the majority stake in the team. It was a pump and dump scheme and Chayka was the easily controlled young patsy.
 
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Chayka was the owners pet, he did whatever the owner told him to do. I still think Barroway is the one to blame for ruining the last rebuild. He didn't give a f*** about the future of the Yotes, he wanted a a mediocre "playoff" team that looked ok on paper as quick as possible so he could flip the majority stake in the team. It was a pump and dump scheme and Chayka was the easily controlled young patsy.
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It's gotta be extremely hard as a not really wealthy enough owner to ignore the chance at playoff revenue vs doing the right thing for a better chance a few years away.
 
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Sullivan is an order of magnitude smarter than Tocchet so maybe that arrangement would work. Tocchet seemed to throw every player smart enough to chafe with him overboard and kept losers like Stepan around, so the culture went to shit.
 
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Sinurgy said:
Chayka was the owners pet, he did whatever the owner told him to do. I still think Barroway is the one to blame for ruining the last rebuild. He didn't give a f*** about the future of the Yotes, he wanted a a mediocre "playoff" team that looked ok on paper as quick as possible so he could flip the majority stake in the team. It was a pump and dump scheme and Chayka was the easily controlled young patsy.
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I think you are right in that assessment. The pulling the trigger on Hall was fun and probably proper value if the team was more of a competitor at the time. It wasn't, so it was a huge waste of assets, some of which he actually picked, so kudos on his drafting skill.

Still can't forgive his overstepping on the combine rules and the circumstances around his exit.

If he gets the Penguins' position, I think everyone will agree he needs to be surrounded with talent that can cover for his weaknesses. He's probably learned from the experience at the very least and tried shoring up what he's been weak on; he is a driven individual despite the issues we experienced with him.
 
Jamieh said:
It's gotta be extremely hard as a not really wealthy enough owner to ignore the chance at playoff revenue vs doing the right thing for a better chance a few years away.
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It's not that he bought the team with the best intentions and then found himself in a tough spot.
He bought a house with a cracked foundation - he wall-papered it, painted the front door red and sold it for a profit.
 
lanky said:
It's not that he bought the team with the best intentions and then found himself in a tough spot.
He bought a house with a cracked foundation - he wall-papered it, painted the front door red and sold it for a profit.
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I know but if you are part owner of a business losing $20 million a year and see a horizon that can create $2 or $3 million per game its gotta be a tough choice is all I'm saying.
 
Sinurgy said:
Chayka was the owners pet, he did whatever the owner told him to do. I still think Barroway is the one to blame for ruining the last rebuild. He didn't give a f*** about the future of the Yotes, he wanted a a mediocre "playoff" team that looked ok on paper as quick as possible so he could flip the majority stake in the team. It was a pump and dump scheme and Chayka was the easily controlled young patsy.
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Can't buy the pump and dump thing. Not when he's still holding 5%.

Got to remember how Barroway got here. He was leading a group to buy the Islanders and had a deal all said and done when Charles Wang pulled the rug about from under it. Barroway sued and it was going to get messy until Bettman stepped in an mitigated it. It was Bettman who put Barroway onto the Coyotes because it was obvious they needed the cash infusion.

That introduced a whole different can of worms on two fronts.

1) You now had a hedge fund guy with a billion dollar piggy bank taking a majority position on a team ran by a bunch of beer leaguing frat buddies. I remember when Barroway bought the IceEdge Clown Posse out that the recurring theme was "there were too many voices at the top."

2) When Barroway came in the Coyotes were in year two of their 15-year lease that included the extra $9 million annual subsidy under the guise of "arena operations". They were ALSO trying to get Glendale to amend the lease to let them charge lesser amounts for smaller acts, because they were having trouble filling dates. And I'm sure at that point, Glendale had to be thinking "They have this big influx of capital from the new guy now so they shouldn't need that extra $9 million /year."

That eventually led Glendale to terminate the lease after Anthony LeBlanc handed them the shredder by making the dumbest hire of all time in Glendale's former city attorney.
 
That Shanahan presser was BIZARRE…

He wanted Dubas to re-sign until Dubas showed emotion at his presser and said he needed a few days to think about it. Then Shanahan started to change his mind. Then he wouldn’t give Dubas a few days and wanted to meet every day. And then when Dubas sent an email instead of calling, Shanahan decided he needed to move on from him.

Ummm…wut…??!? This is how Shanahan makes decisions about things? Like a hormonal teenaged overly possessive controlling boyfriend?
 
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rt said:
That Shanahan presser was BIZARRE…

He wanted Dubas to re-sign until Dubas showed emotion at his presser and said he needed a few days to think about it. Then Shanahan started to change his mind. Then he wouldn’t give Dubas a few days and wanted to meet every day. And then when Dubas sent an email instead of calling, Shanahan decided he needed to move on from him.

Ummm…wut…??!? This is how Shanahan makes decisions about things? Like a hormonal teenaged overly possessive controlling boyfriend?
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Even though TML org is swimming in cash I believe Dubas' agent presented a number that Shanahan couldn't/wouldn't stomach and THAT was the basis for his decision.
 
Kaizen said:
Even though TML org is swimming in cash I believe Dubas' agent presented a number that Shanahan couldn't/wouldn't stomach and THAT was the basis for his decision.
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It sounded like the number was agreed upon and Agent came back with a new number. Also sounded like Shanahan wanted Dubas back but really had to sell it to the Board and the Press Conference combined with last minute ask in contract just made it not worth pitching. Definitely a bizarre set of circumstances
 
The media doesn’t even research anymore.

I keep reading that Chayka was suspended because of stretchgate. Wrong. He was suspended because he walked out on his contract with the Coyotes.
 
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