Around the NHL 11 - 2023/24

[Flair Hay]

all the reporters tweeting shit like "ThEy DoN't EvEn KnOw If He WiLl Be AvAiLaBlE fOr ThE pLaYoFfS" can go suck a fart

Yeah I think the rules are the same for everyone so it's not an unfair advantage

But I draw the line at pretending these aren't being exaggerated lol

The injury was milked last year and milked this year haha

 

[SLAYER]

all the reporters tweeting shit like "ThEy DoN't EvEn KnOw If He WiLl Be AvAiLaBlE fOr ThE pLaYoFfS" can go suck a fart

BUT HE'S HURT FOR REAL, HE MIGHT NOT EVEN PLAY.

I've said this before and I'll say 'er again: Yes, Mark Stone is probably injured. The man is chronically injured to the point where any doctor would recommend rest/rehab and a trip to the IR/LTIR list. However, he can clearly play through whatever if he wants to and the doctors would clear him if he wanted to be cleared.

This happens every single year now. The greasiest team in the league will find any loophole to edge them into another cup.

 

[Gm0ney]

 

[GeorgeJETson]

So the Jets will be Canada's team?

 

[Jetfaninflorida]

Gary will have to move the Jets to Fargo to make the 'R' in his name look better.




I actually really appreciated Bettman's press conference in Winnipeg. He was really positive / promoting the Jets, ownership and the city.

 

[snowkiddin]

all the reporters tweeting shit like "ThEy DoN't EvEn KnOw If He WiLl Be AvAiLaBlE fOr ThE pLaYoFfS" can go suck a fart

Hmm. I was assured by MotMB (Morons on the Main Boards) that this wouldn’t happen.

“Guys it’s a spleen it’s way different this time.”

The champagne I bought back in January to celebrate Bettman’s retirement is gonna taste sweet

 

[BobTheSolarsystem]

Just goes to show you just how real the Crosby factor is. He has made a career of elevating whoever he's played with.

Guess he had just stagnated with Guentzel...?

 

[bustamente]

I pretty surer as their roster is set atm the Knights would not be cap compliant with Stone in the lineup, anyone who thinks that he wont be in from the start of their first playoff game really hasn't been following along. Again it would be hilarious if they missed the playoffs.

 

[BobTheSolarsystem]

Hmm. I was assured by MotMB (Morons on the Main Boards) that this wouldn’t happen.

“Guys it’s a spleen it’s way different this time.”

The champagne I bought back in January to celebrate Bettman’s retirement is gonna taste sweet

Gotta hope they finish 8th and face Dallas... Vancouver will get swept and they'll be rested for 2nd round...

 

[cbcwpg]

Cheering for St. Louis to win out and for Vegas to crap the bed in all their remaining games. This would give a lot of fans a lot of joy.

 

[razorsedge]

nope.

Chipman was part of a group working on keeping the Jets. they were told there was no possibility of keeping the team.

back in 2012 or 2013 i remember him talking in an interview that the BOG was moving to the USA market and there was no way even with an arena deal they would be allowed to keep the team.

What ? Bettman stipulated that we could only have 1 owner not a group ! Not only that the one onwer had to x amount of wealth. He put obstacles in the way ! I believe that's why in 2.0 he said he wanted to right past mistakes. He did the exact opposite of what he's done in Arizona.

Also the only persons with the kind of wealth they wanted isn't a dime a dozen in Winnipeg. There was not cap no cost certainty so one owner was supposed to lose what 10 15 million a year with no improvement in sight.

The day the Jets were done was the day owners caved on salary cap during the lockout.

Bettman and the Jets: Tales from the NHL’s flight from Winnipeg

By all accounts, the sale of the Atlanta Thrashers to True North will be completed this week, with a formal announcement of the NHL's return to Winnipeg coming as early as Tuesday. It'll be a joyous time for hockey fans … <a...

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Jets left not because of Bettman. Winnipeg just couldn't afford a team then. Let's not kid ourselves, Winnipeg was a complete hole in the 90's.

 

[Buffdog]

Mark Stone next December to get on LTIR until the last week of the season

 

[Huffer]

What ? Bettman stipulated that we could only have 1 owner not a group ! Not only that the one onwer had to x amount of wealth. He put obstacles in the way ! I believe that's why in 2.0 he said he wanted to right past mistakes. He did the exact opposite of what he's done in Arizona.

Also the only persons with the kind of wealth they wanted isn't a dime a dozen in Winnipeg. There was not cap no cost certainty so one owner was supposed to lose what 10 15 million a year with no improvement in sight.

The day the Jets were done was the day owners caved on salary cap during the lockout.

Agreed. I don't blame bettman for any of the Winnipeg controlled issues (Arena, parking, etc.). The bulk of the issues at the time would have required someone with huge pockets to be able to manage, and we didn't have one (and the failure in the CBA to get the cap was a big nail in the coffin).

But it sure does seem glossed over that Gary and the NHL refused the last effort to put a multiple ownership model proposal together to try and get it done, when the NHL turned around not many years later and let both Calgary and Edmonton I believe put multi ownership teams in place.

 

[BobTheSolarsystem]

Bettman and the Jets: Tales from the NHL’s flight from Winnipeg

By all accounts, the sale of the Atlanta Thrashers to True North will be completed this week, with a formal announcement of the NHL's return to Winnipeg coming as early as Tuesday. It'll be a joyous time for hockey fans … <a...

ca.sports.yahoo.com

Jets left not because of Bettman. Winnipeg just couldn't afford a team then. Let's not kid ourselves, Winnipeg was a complete hole in the 90's.

Multiple factors...
Winnipeg Enterprises was the main. Problem... small town thieves

then shenkarow got good coin for the franchise - might have been sold before the save the Jets campaign started

Winnipeg egos told izzy asper thanks but no thanks...

If anyone thinks the Jets aren't moving in ten years... tell me if you'd say no to 1.5 billion for a 179 million investment...

 

[cbcwpg]

Agreed. I don't blame bettman for any of the Winnipeg controlled issues (Arena, parking, etc.). The bulk of the issues at the time would have required someone with huge pockets to be able to manage, and we didn't have one (and the failure in the CBA to get the cap was a big nail in the coffin).

But it sure does seem glossed over that Gary and the NHL refused the last effort to put a multiple ownership model proposal together to try and get it done, when the NHL turned around not many years later and let both Calgary and Edmonton I believe put multi ownership teams in place.

You are not wrong.

Bettman to Winnipeg: Single rich owner or don't talk to me.

Edmonton: The team was mere hours away from being purchased by Texas millionaire Les Alexander who would move the Oilers to Houston, where he owned the NBA’s Rockets. But just before the deadline, on March 13, 1998, the Edmonton Investors Group (EIG), headed by Nichols and made up of 37 other entrepreneurs, matched Alexander’s offer, keeping the Oilers in Edmonton.

 

[cbcwpg]

Multiple factors...
Winnipeg Enterprises was the main. Problem... small town thieves

then shenkarow got good coin for the franchise - might have been sold before the save the Jets campaign started

Winnipeg egos told izzy asper thanks but no thanks...

If anyone thinks the Jets aren't moving in ten years... tell me if you'd say no to 1.5 billion for a 179 million investment...

It's easy to say no. It's all what your motivation is. Did you want a team in Winnipeg to flip it for more money later, or did you want a team in Winnipeg so you could say there is a team in Winnipeg? Sure it's a lot of money, and yes the day may come where Winnipeg is priced out of the NHL and ownership will take the money and run, but if Winnipeg is at risk, then all the Canadian cities are at risk except Toronto.

 

[surixon]

It's easy to say no. It's all what your motivation is. Did you want a team in Winnipeg to flip it for more money later, or did you want a team in Winnipeg so you could say there is a team in Winnipeg? Sure it's a lot of money, and yes the day may come where Winnipeg is priced out of the NHL and ownership will take the money and run, but if Winnipeg is at risk, then all the Canadian cities are at risk except Toronto.

Yup. Also I stand by the notion that TNSE plans on using the Jets as an anchor tenant to spearhead billions worth of real-estate downtown. Imo the long term financial outcome of that is worth more the a billion from selling the team. Plus they could sell it for a billion to keep it here ala Ottawa.

 

[Skidooboy]

Bettman and the Jets: Tales from the NHL’s flight from Winnipeg

By all accounts, the sale of the Atlanta Thrashers to True North will be completed this week, with a formal announcement of the NHL's return to Winnipeg coming as early as Tuesday. It'll be a joyous time for hockey fans … <a...

ca.sports.yahoo.com

Jets left not because of Bettman. Winnipeg just couldn't afford a team then. Let's not kid ourselves, Winnipeg was a complete hole in the 90's.

I'll go with the interview Chipman gave over your opinion.

sometime within the first few years after 2011, Chipman stated in an interview that at the he and the group he was working with to keep the Jets in 95, whom Chipman claimed had the money and plan ready to build a new arena by 99/2000) were unceremoniously told that barring a 100% financed and set arena deal by July 1 95 , and a demand for a single owner who would own both the Arena and the Team, there was no way forward for ANYONE in winnipeg to keep the Jets in place.

In short: in 1996 despite the efforts of a funded and well organized ownership group who were committed to grow the team in Winnipeg, unprecedented restrictions on the ownership of an NHL team...never asked by the NHL before or since....were invented pretty much on the spot to deny Winnipeg any opportunity to keep the team.

 

[Skidooboy]

Don't get me wrong, I am absolutely NOT on the Coyotes side, here.

Ownership has been criminally negligent and incompetent, and the nhl has protected them at their own peril for far too long.

Its an absolute embarrassment, and it's fair for Jets fans (myself included) to wonder aloud what would have happened if Bettman and the nhl put a fifth of the effort they've put into the Coyotes into keeping them in Winnipeg in the first place.

I'm just saying that Phoenix is the fastest growing metro, and, with proper location and ownership could have a thriving franchise.

Just as Atlanta could and should.

if you ignore the fact that they have NEVER in 30+ years had a money making pro hockey program in the area at multiple levels and multiple locations and multiple owners and ownership groups....

 

[BobTheSolarsystem]

It's easy to say no. It's all what your motivation is. Did you want a team in Winnipeg to flip it for more money later, or did you want a team in Winnipeg so you could say there is a team in Winnipeg? Sure it's a lot of money, and yes the day may come where Winnipeg is priced out of the NHL and ownership will take the money and run, but if Winnipeg is at risk, then all the Canadian cities are at risk except Toronto.

I think they are...

In ten years a franchise will be worth 2 billion - yes legacy is important but holy fk that's a nice haul

 

[bustamente]

Sure some franchises will continue to grow in valuation but the league as a whole has kinda plateaued to the point where MLS soccer has replaced the NHL in the top 4 of sports in the US. Sure the NHL will continue to expand and water down the league but the popularity of soccer in the US is kicking the NHL's butt and will get worse with the World Cup.

 

[jungles]

all the reporters tweeting shit like "ThEy DoN't EvEn KnOw If He WiLl Be AvAiLaBlE fOr ThE pLaYoFfS" can go suck a fart

I, for one, am shocked by this development.

 

[hockeyarena]

Game 1 of the playoffs we'll find out that lehner is actually completely sane and was simply going full method actor for a Swedish film

 

[Gm0ney]

From here: https://x.com/Sumdood88/status/1778850805598363987 but the tweet didn't post right...

 

[Atoyot]

Yeah I think the rules are the same for everyone so it's not an unfair advantage

But I draw the line at pretending these aren't being exaggerated lol

The injury was milked last year and milked this year haha

Rules are the same but a team like the Jets can only utilize it if they're comfortable going into a long rebuild immediately afterwards. Vegas can sell off their entire future and get players they trade for to re-sign and/or attract free agents to remain competitive. Teams in less desirable locations need to rely on their futures.

Of course we could always go the Carolina route and stockpile futures and then trade a bunch of them to get a Guentzel at the deadline without depleting our prospect pool (or in their case without even trading a single top prospect).