Props on him for speaking out. The progress society has made over the years in awareness, resources etc for mental health has been outstanding.
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I agree completely. It’s about progress not perfection and I am glad that people are finally starting to feel more comfortable opening up and seeking help.
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Then the simple solution you’d think would be to change the strategy until you find one that works. Jets keep trotting out doing the same thing over and over and over.
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It's possible that while the players on the pp are very good they just aren't good pp players
nobody imp0rtant
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Outstanding? Sure for people like Laine with lots of money and connections. But for your average Joe or Jill here in Manitoba, here's what you're looking at paying if a psychologist can "talk you through" your issues.
And if you have a medical condition that requires a psychiatrist, good luck in finding one that is taking new patients. Wait times here to see one range from months to years.
sipowicz
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Dud-Bois 47 games, 10 goals, 10 assists, 20 points $ 8.5 M
Wheezer 49 games, 9 goals, 11 assists, 20 points. $800K
Wheezer 49 games, 9 goals, 11 assists, 20 points. $800K
You have some valid points here about accessibility of resources. If you don't have money or a good health plan it's a lot harder for sure. But understanding of mental health has definitely progressed a lot, even 20-30 years ago it was still almost a taboo subject to speak about. When I was in high school (early 90s) I can't recall any actual resources available for young people struggling with mental health issues. Like the school counsellor seemed to be there more for career choices and was just as likely to scold you as help you. It was still a lot of "chin up, tough it out" advice.Outstanding? Sure for people like Laine with lots of money and connections. But for your average Joe or Jill here in Manitoba, here's what you're looking at paying if a psychologist can "talk you through" your issues.
And if you have a medical condition that requires a psychiatrist, good luck in finding one that is taking new patients. Wait times here to see one range from months to years.
And how was it years ago? i said progress, not absolutes. do you disagree awareness has improved? maybe there is a supply and demand issue with therapists vs patients b/c of higher visibility. resources perhaps are constrained b/c folks are seeking help and are more aware than ever on issues (which is a good thing). ill concede resources a bit. i haven't used a therapist in 4-5 years so not sure.Outstanding? Sure for people like Laine with lots of money and connections. But for your average Joe or Jill here in Manitoba, here's what you're looking at paying if a psychologist can "talk you through" your issues.
And if you have a medical condition that requires a psychiatrist, good luck in finding one that is taking new patients. Wait times here to see one range from months to years.
how much wait-time would there have been years ago if the awareness, education was where it is today, but resources were at the same level as back then?
(idk the answers)im an average joe and our workplace just upped mental health spending accounts significantly, along w/ EAP and other education pieces offered. idk this type of stuff wasn't as prevalent years ago (similarly sized organization as my current). so yes, the progress i'd consider v high, unless you think awareness and all that has stagnated or decreased.
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ERYX
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Additionally, good luck in finding/having a job where you get to just peace out with full pay indefinitely to deal with said issues. I haven't worked for "the Man" for many years, but I suspect that most people couldn't afford to do that unless government employees. Self employed like me and people without access to generous paid leave just have to "suck it up" and "power through".Outstanding? Sure for people like Laine with lots of money and connections. But for your average Joe or Jill here in Manitoba, here's what you're looking at paying if a psychologist can "talk you through" your issues.
And if you have a medical condition that requires a psychiatrist, good luck in finding one that is taking new patients. Wait times here to see one range from months to years.
Yes, definitely progress has been made. Still a ways to go.
Wishing nothing but the very best for Patrik. By all accounts a good man - hope he can get back to feeling better.
ERYX
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Not overly surprised by the announcement re: Laine. The way his play has dropped off, it seemed reasonable to suspect that there were some off-ice struggles impacting his game. And then his game not being where he wants it, further adding to the spiral (despite his lack of commitment to conditioning, it seems he has a pretty harsh inner monologue based on comments he's made in the past when struggling on-ice).
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I think back to Devon Setoguchi, all the talent in the world but couldn't control his demons and it submarined a promising career. Maybe Patrik Laine won't have to suffer through that? That would be progress, yes.
Outstanding? Sure for people like Laine with lots of money and connections. But for your average Joe or Jill here in Manitoba, here's what you're looking at paying if a psychologist can "talk you through" your issues.
And if you have a medical condition that requires a psychiatrist, good luck in finding one that is taking new patients. Wait times here to see one range from months to years.
I agree, finding help for the average person is difficult in Manitoba. If you don't have excellent insurance, you'll have to pay a ton. Even with insurance you still might be paying lots... if you can find a doctor/professional that will have you as a client. Even then, finding one that is a good fit can also be a struggle.
That being said, there are more resources than ever these days, so there has been improvement for sure. Especially from a social/societal angle.
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Maybe Laine is depressed because he finally came to the realization that he's isn't as good as he thought he was and that the 17-18' 44 goal season was the pinnacle of his career!
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Sorry to hear about Patrik, but happy to hear he is actively seeking help.
I was one to believe that he had it really good in Winnipeg, but just couldn't see it. Maybe too many people whispering in his ear about better options, I don't know.
I hope to see him back on the ice soon, doing what he does best.
I was one to believe that he had it really good in Winnipeg, but just couldn't see it. Maybe too many people whispering in his ear about better options, I don't know.
I hope to see him back on the ice soon, doing what he does best.
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So the exchange rate is about 10 Wheezers for 1 Dud-bois?
Agreed. About 20 years ago my insurance only covered the first handful of sessions before it ran out and I couldn't afford the remainder.
Lucky for me I was able to navigate through it on my own, but that's not an option for most people.
nobody imp0rtant
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I agree with what you say here. Certainly, EAP's can be of great assistance if you're lucky enough to work where they have one. Things are improving, and may be much better elsewhere. But here? I've been lucky enough that I've needed very little from our health care system throughout my life (touch wood). My wife OTOH has had serious physical and mental health issues for over 15 years, and the treatment (or non-treatment) she has received just makes my blood boil.And how was it years ago? i said progress, not absolutes. do you disagree awareness has improved? maybe there is a supply and demand issue with therapists vs patients b/c of higher visibility. resources perhaps are constrained b/c folks are seeking help and are more aware than ever on issues (which is a good thing). ill concede resources a bit. i haven't used a therapist in 4-5 years so not sure.
how much wait-time would there have been years ago if the awareness, education was where it is today, but resources were at the same level as back then?
im an average joe and our workplace just upped mental health spending accounts significantly, along w/ EAP and other education pieces offered. idk this type of stuff wasn't as prevalent years ago (similarly sized organization as my current). so yes, the progress i'd consider v high, unless you think awareness and all that has stagnated or decreased.
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I blame all of y’all on this board for the Oilers win streak because of all the shit talking at the beginning of the year.
ERYX
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Sorry to hear this and I can relate. Very similar situation here (although I live in Ontario). My wife has gotten almost less than no help for her physical and mental health issues. Essentially it's usually (after much waiting) "it's all in your head, take these anti anxiety meds".
As a self-employed person with no benefits, it's not easy sourcing private resources. I've spent tens of thousands without a lot of progress, and have just had to suck it up with respect to my own mental health struggles. Fortunately I'm in a better place now, but I understand the struggle people can have and how little help there is unless you have really really good benefits at work.
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tbcwpg
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I blame all of y’all on this board for the Oilers win streak because of all the shit talking at the beginning of the year.
Some people still think it's just luck and a soft schedule as though 15 game win streaks are just that simple.
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Their underlying numbers weren't even bad under Woodcroft, they just dug such a deep hole that it's surprising they were able to climb out of it.
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I blame all of y’all on this board for the Oilers win streak because of all the shit talking at the beginning of the year.
They’ve beaten what, two playoff teams during this streak? This run will only make it sweeter when they flake out in the playoffs.
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