Around the NHL — Episode XLXVII
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Seems to me that Florida is comfortably the best team in the division, but after that, it’s a crapshoot.
We went into the season looking at the wildcard, but we can compete for spots 2 and 3.
It looks like this is the year we see Toronto and Boston step back. They’re still “good” teams, but not 110 point teams. More like 96-100 point teams who could very well miss if the wrong guy gets hurt.
We went into the season looking at the wildcard, but we can compete for spots 2 and 3.
It looks like this is the year we see Toronto and Boston step back. They’re still “good” teams, but not 110 point teams. More like 96-100 point teams who could very well miss if the wrong guy gets hurt.
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somebody should send this to Don Boyd
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Sens of Anarchy
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you might want to give Don the translation as well and point out the Nov 7 to 10 dates to watch games
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You forgot a crucial piece of the translation, so I added it at the end:
"Dynamo players have gone to the Russian U18 team! Kurban Limatov, Mikhail Melikov and Ivan Ryabkin have been called up to the junior team for training from October 28 to November 6 at the Novogorsk base. We will follow the success of our guys at the Future Cup in St. Petersburg from November 7 to 10. They are all Americans, 7 feet tall and lead the league in PIMs and cross-checks."
"Dynamo players have gone to the Russian U18 team! Kurban Limatov, Mikhail Melikov and Ivan Ryabkin have been called up to the junior team for training from October 28 to November 6 at the Novogorsk base. We will follow the success of our guys at the Future Cup in St. Petersburg from November 7 to 10. They are all Americans, 7 feet tall and lead the league in PIMs and cross-checks."
Beech
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Jeff Molson has to pack 20 K strong in that barn.... And he has to sell a couple of a hundred million bottles of beer in that province.
The Habs don't win and neither happens.
Marty is on thin ice.
Do Make Say Think
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A lot of them live in the Center of the Universe, so they honestly believe that they can't be bad for too long, it just wouldn't be fair or make sense.
Unfortunately for them, their team is like their city: they stink.
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The Habs have averaged over 20k in attendance since they moved into the Bell center almost 30 years ago, and have been a bad team for a good chunk of those years (roughly half if I had to guess). I don't think there's any risk of the barn not being full or the beer not being sold.
I do agree Marty is on thin ice though.
Beech
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you may want to talk to Pierre McGuire. He was talking about the Habs and the Bell Center and the realty of its occupancy. The Habs are not the Leafs. They are no different than most markets, poor play = empty seats.
Poor play = less Molson being sold.
It is reality.
yes, Montreal can mitigate through consistent season ticket sales, but a sold seat is different than an occupied one. $20 a beer, does help/hurt. As can merchandizing as can all other revenue streams.
Did you know that the value of the Chicago Blackhawks has actually gone DOWN in value. See the latest listings.
BonHoonLayneCornell
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Well, it's the media running with the story too at this point, as if this team should have any expectations. Maybe I'm more down on their current roster than some, but them making the playoffs looked entirely out of the question to me and critics seemed to agree heading in, so I guess it's just weird to see this narrative now as if it's been unexpected.
It may still be time for Marty to go, I don't know, but their roster won't achieve much more atm with someone else, imo.
I can't say I expect most Habs fans to be reasonable, but they're only punishing themselves if they were thinking playoffs this year.
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so I checked
The valuation went up 33%
The lowest valuation increase is 19%
They all went up a lot.
Their ranking dropped 2 spots, but valuation a big increase.
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Do Make Say Think
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The best part is a lot of them were all "what are we? Ottawa? Our rebuild is done!"
I will never get enough of their insecurity.
Xspyrit
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Not that I ever understand what that poster is saying but the Habs also make a ton of money with TV deals, Evenko and merchandise. Their AHL teams attracts more than 9000 fans per game. They own everything.
The last valuation of the Habs is 4 Billions CAD. Geoff Molson literally sleeps on money and he purchased the team 575 M$ in 2009. The money they are making is indecent. They could play in front of an empty arena for years, probably for decades actually. Even without attendance revenue, they'd still make very large profits
There's a ridiculous amount of coverage here, TV and radio talk about the Habs 24/7, they need clicks, they need audience. The medias are always into sensationalism to achieve that. They need stuff to talk about and re-assess the same things over and over. From what I understood, they talked about being "in the mix", like when we talked about playing meaningful games in March but I haven't heard about playoffs expectations though. It's possible that some crazy fans came up with unreasonable expectations but from the pulse I have from hockey friends, expectations were still in rebuilding mode, they're just rightfully excited about their prospect pool, like we were after the 2020 draft
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They get excited more easily than a lot of fanbases, ours included.
In the summer, it was particularly cringeworthy.
Then if you challenge on playoff expectations, they backpedal instantly, only to go immediately back into "but anything can happen" territory.
The poor start has thrown a bit of cold water on their coming out party, along with Laine's injury.
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The Habs getting another early pick doesn't excite me.
I was hoping they would be middle of the pack and miss the playoffs.
I was hoping they would be middle of the pack and miss the playoffs.
Beech
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My apologies. I got my info from the Real Bourne and Kyper show.
Jason Bourne or the 3rd on their show, said it.
My apologies, I took their Info for granted. Even Kyprios seemed to agree and not surprised.
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As far back as last year, Kent Hughes pulled a Pierre Dorion and said Playoffs.
People did not follow up on his remark. But it resonated. Like us here, the fan base bought it and are now disappointed.
Montreal fans are nasty. I know, I am an ex-Montrealer. They will raid the castle with pitchforks and torches way quicker than others.
Martin St. Louis was brought in to calm the mob. Then Hughes started acting like Dorion. Promises and declarations. Have you been watching the Crave series!!!!
There is a pattern to all bottom feeders.
1) 5-12 years of rebuild
2) 1-2 GMs in that time
3) 2-3 coaches in that time
4) a yo-yo pattern to their seasons. Some up to give false hope. Only to be followed by a down to crush fans.
5) 2-3 rebuilds that blend into each other. The first is always fools gold. High picks that appear to work out. Only to have it dissolve. Then, a second rebuild that for some reason seems to work. (Unless you are Buffalo, in which case, GOD as your GM is your only hope)
You can painstakingly analyze every bottom feeder the last 25 years. Near identical.
Martin, Kent and Jeff Gorton need to do themselves a favour and move on. Pull a Paul Maurice. Resign, so that you save your reputation. Now you can resurface elsewhere. Otherwise, they will end up like Dorion et all, Jarmo et all and a sold 10-20 rebuild GM/Coaches the last 25 years. Fried and spent.
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No worries, here is the link to evaluations
I find Bourne worse than Kipper.
Micklebot
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Looks like Bourne and Kyper might have meant they went down in the rankings, rather than down in overall value. Because that actually did happen.
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I liked Bourne when he was writing deep dives into analyzing teams systems and players play, breaking down the things they do well, or don't, haven't seen him doing that in ages though.
Beech
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probably, Funny, I see the 33% and I could have sworn that that number was thrown out as the loss.. But you are right, odds are good that bits of the conversation were lost and what got relayed, was confusing.
No team even remotely experienced a loss, nor did any team even remotely stay stagnant. I may have missed some value, but 19% was the lowest increase!!!! Unreal.
Man when the NHLPA comes to renegotiate, I hope the players are referencing this.
Buffalo .. Buffalo!! jumped 26% and gained 213 million...
Unbelievable the world wide obsession with pro sports.
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