Around the NHL — Episode XLXVII

[dumbdick]

I found the quote that formenton is now training to be a heavy equipment operator interesting.

What a steep fall off for him.

 

[BondraTime]

Sharks getting Dickinson at 11 is wild. Pens are going to be feeling that one for a long time, all for a corpse of a player on a team going nowhere.

10-12 had some real good D available. The D was very high end, can’t believe Catton and Iginla went before them.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Brady is 6'4 225 and is great under pressure

https://x.com/i/web/status/1852568199402844581

If we can just get his PIMs to a respectable level.. Get Poulie to tell us his skating is elite and we could pick him up as a FA

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Sharks getting Dickinson at 11 is wild. Pens are going to be feeling that one for a long time, all for a corpse of a player on a team going nowhere.

10-12 had some real good D available. The D was very high end, can’t believe Catton and Iginla went before them.

off to a nice start

 

[starling]

At least our division is finally helping us stay afloat.

 

[Senovision]

Toronto lost. Nice to see

 

[starling]

Korpisalo with a shutout

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Korpisalo with a shutout

I watched. As Korpisalo hater #1 here (because we signed him, not because I have anything against him), I have to say he looked pretty good today. He is capable of playing solid games, but I still doubt his consistency.

 

[Xspyrit]

crazy to see the first 9 names drafted, all hits.

and then #10 Tyler Boucher lol

even the next 6 names after Boucher look like sure NHLers.

This is torture... Actually that whole 2021 first round looks quite good (the 2nd round too) but we got out of this with Boucher and Ben Roger. Thankfully Ostapchuk should be a good bottom-6 player

Really couldn't afford to miss out on this 10th OA pick after the recent Duchene fiasco (lost a 4th OA pick, then picked Lassi Thomson from the 19th OA pick we got back from Duchene)

That was the 4th draft of the rebuild and we had already missed out on 50% of the picks. Thank God we had elite/good players for trade in this rebuild or it would have most likely failed (Stutzle/Norris from the Karlsson trade and Greig/Kleven from the Pageau trade)

Also, credit to Dorion and his staff for not screwing up on Tkachuk, Stutzle and Sanderson picks, although Stu's pick was a no brainer.

 

[HoweHullOrr]

Sharks getting Dickinson at 11 is wild. Pens are going to be feeling that one for a long time, all for a corpse of a player on a team going nowhere.

10-12 had some real good D available. The D was very high end, can’t believe Catton and Iginla went before them.

I’m probably missing something, but didn’t the Sharks get the 11th overall from Buffalo?

June 27, 2024

San Jose Sharks (@SanJoseSharks) General Manager Mike Grier announced today that the club has acquired the 11th-overall selection in the 2024 NHL Draft from the Buffalo Sabres in exchange for the 14th and 42nd overall picks.

The Sharks now possess nine total selections in the draft, including two in the top 11 and five in the first three rounds.

 

[BondraTime]

I’m probably missing something, but didn’t the Sharks get the 11th overall from Buffalo?

June 27, 2024

San Jose Sharks (@SanJoseSharks) General Manager Mike Grier announced today that the club has acquired the 11th-overall selection in the 2024 NHL Draft from the Buffalo Sabres in exchange for the 14th and 42nd overall picks.

The Sharks now possess nine total selections in the draft, including two in the top 11 and five in the first three rounds.

Sorry, they got 14th from the Pens.

 

[HoweHullOrr]

Sorry, they got 14th from the Pens.

Ah OK.

 

[Xspyrit]

I don't understand the narrative around that team right now.

Who the f*** thought they'd be any good? I sure as shit didn't, and I thought that was consensus, so what is the panic about?

I don't think anybody outside of Montreal's fanbase/medias thought they'd be good THIS year but they have the most pressuring market with the biggest fanbase and while many accept the rebuild, many others still live in the past and expect to be competitive way too fast. This is the 4th season of their rebuild, basically like 2020-21 was for us (and they didn't have nearly the same quality of assets FT to kick off their rebuild).

IIRC Dorion was not yet saying that we were aiming for the playoffs in 2020-21? Montreal's management didn't come out to say that they want to make the playoffs but said that they wanted to be "in the mix", meaning they wouldn't be eliminated after November (like it has been the case for Ottawa for many seasons)

I would have said something like "we expect a big developmental season from our young players" but avoid talking about team results. A mistake IMO and that is good for us, they need to make as many mistakes as possible (won't ever come close to what Dorion did lol but nonetheless)

No idea the only Habs fan I know of is @Xspyrit Just Kidding

ok.. I'll take the opportunity to update on this. Their prospect pool is more than excellent. Logan Mailloux, Joshua Roy, Owen Beck and Filip Mesar are doing well in the AHL. Demidov, Fowler and Hage are looking like homeruns, Lane Hutson is looking great in Montreal. Etc.

But the good thing is they could make some of the mistakes Ottawa made (taking Reinbacher instead of Michkov was one), maybe MSL is a bit like DJ, a great player's coach who can have them playing an interesting offensive game but not the 2-way hockey needed to evolve as a team. So if that's the case and they hold on to their current coaching staff too long, it could hamper and slow down their development.

That said, we'd still need some of the Panthers/Bolts/Leafs/Bruins to decline and to stay ahead of the Sabres/Wings to have a path in the east.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1852868937630744976

What a player and what a leader and he's still going strong.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

I don't think anybody outside of Montreal's fanbase/medias thought they'd be good THIS year but they have the most pressuring market with the biggest fanbase and while many accept the rebuild, many others still live in the past and expect to be competitive way too fast. This is the 4th season of their rebuild, basically like 2020-21 was for us (and they didn't have nearly the same quality of assets FT to kick off their rebuild).

IIRC Dorion was not yet saying that we were aiming for the playoffs in 2020-21? Montreal's management didn't come out to say that they want to make the playoffs but said that they wanted to be "in the mix", meaning they wouldn't be eliminated after November (like it has been the case for Ottawa for many seasons)

I would have said something like "we expect a big developmental season from our young players" but avoid talking about team results. A mistake IMO and that is good for us, they need to make as many mistakes as possible (won't ever come close to what Dorion did lol but nonetheless)

Ya, I can understand the impatience in the market, but you'd think they'd look at the roster objectively and know where they stand. The future may be bright, but what they have currently is flat out not good enough and was destined to struggle. They're banging their heads against the wall expecting this squad to do much better imo. Be frustrated they aren't further ahead I get, but expecting more is unreasonable to me.

 

[Xspyrit]

Ya, I can understand the impatience in the market, but you'd think they'd look at the roster objectively and know where they stand. The future may be bright, but what they have currently is flat out not good enough and was destined to struggle. They're banging their heads against the wall expecting this squad to do much better imo. Be frustrated they aren't further ahead I get, but expecting more is unreasonable to me.

Even now they have talent in the lineup but I can count on one hand the players who are good defensively. I think this part of the game has been downplayed too much by some fans/medias. It can really prevent your team from progressing and can actually make you regress, which is happening right now.

We were already talented offensively in 2021 but our defensive game was terrible until Jacques Martin where it started to change. We have stopped gifting goals against on a silver platter and it changes the whole complexity of this hockey team. We needed to move on from Dorion and DJ in 2020-21 but unfortunately the team sale context made us lose a few seasons, sad and unlucky at the same time.

Anyway, we're not going to complain anytime a divisional rival is struggling. If the Habs waste a year or two off their rebuild, it gives us more breathing room and hopefully an Atlantic team or two decline by the time they are ready to compete. I wish they would go crazy and can their GM to hire Dorion and DJ

 

[Mr Hat]

Korpisalo with a shutout

20 saves vs a bottom feeder. A bounce back game for sure, but watching the all save video he still goes down early and plays deep in his net. Not a recipe for success against better teams.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Even now they have talent in the lineup but I can count on one hand the players who are good defensively. I think this part of the game has been downplayed too much by some fans/medias. It can really prevent your team from progressing and can actually make you regress, which is happening right now. We were already talented offensively in 2021 but our defensive game was terrible until Jacques Martin where it started to change.

We're not going to complain, if they waste a year or two off their rebuild, it gives us more breathing room and hopefully an Atlantic team or two decline by the time they are ready to compete. I wish they would go crazy and can their GM to hire Dorion and DJ

They do have talent, and in the pipeline not on the team yet, but I don't think they have enough on the roster now to be in the mix, at least I don't think so when I look at their depth chart. It's a pretty mediocre group for where they're mostly at individually, if that makes sense. I agree though, a big part of that is maturing as players and being good at both ends of the ice and playing the right way. It's all part of the process, but assessing their current ceiling, I don't see it, and think they'll need to integrate more of their movement, and see more maturity, before they're ready to threaten like some seemed to hope. Had them picked for the division basement without question.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Even now they have talent in the lineup but I can count on one hand the players who are good defensively. I think this part of the game has been downplayed too much by some fans/medias. It can really prevent your team from progressing and can actually make you regress, which is happening right now.

We were already talented offensively in 2021 but our defensive game was terrible until Jacques Martin where it started to change. We have stopped gifting goals against on a silver platter and it changes the whole complexity of this hockey team. We needed to move on from Dorion and DJ in 2020-21 but unfortunately the team sale context made us lose a few seasons, sad and unlucky at the same time.

Anyway, we're not going to complain anytime a divisional rival is struggling. If the Habs waste a year or two off their rebuild, it gives us more breathing room and hopefully an Atlantic team or two decline by the time they are ready to compete. I wish they would go crazy and can their GM to hire Dorion and DJ

Feels like St. Louis will be a casualty unfortunately. They need a mindset change .. and they need to make realistic expectations.

 

[JD1]

Ya, I can understand the impatience in the market, but you'd think they'd look at the roster objectively and know where they stand. The future may be bright, but what they have currently is flat out not good enough and was destined to struggle. They're banging their heads against the wall expecting this squad to do much better imo. Be frustrated they aren't further ahead I get, but expecting more is unreasonable to me.

I'm not sure they can do well. If you look at the assets that they currently have, the problem becomes their best players are not as good as other teams best players.

Just compare them to us for example
Stuetzle>Suzuki
Sanderson>anyone they have or anything any of their assets might develop into
Tkachuk>Caulfield or Slaf
Ulmark>montembault

I forget the name of the hot goalie prospect but he's years away

So here we are struggling and hoping to be in the playoffs and our top players are all better than their top players

That doesn't bode well. What's worse imo is they're not horribad either. So getting a couple more top 5 picks might not happen without lottery luck.

 

[HoweHullOrr]

I'm not sure they can do well. If you look at the assets that they currently have, the problem becomes their best players are not as good as other teams best players.

Just compare them to us for example
Stuetzle>Suzuki
Sanderson>anyone they have or anything any of their assets might develop into
Tkachuk>Caulfield or Slaf
Ulmark>montembault

I forget the name of the hot goalie prospect but he's years away

So here we are struggling and hoping to be in the playoffs and our top players are all better than their top players

That doesn't bode well. What's worse imo is they're not horribad either. So getting a couple more top 5 picks might not happen without lottery luck.

Two 1st picks this draft and 2 next draft (small chance of 3) I think though? Demidov looks pretty good. That should help a bit.

 

[starling]

Always a good day when Tampa loses.

 

[lang006]

I guess we wrecked the Kraken. They aren’t looking very hot against the B’s thus far.

 

[GCK]

Always a good day when Tampa loses.

NHL.COM shows Tampa at 7-5 ? Aren’t they 6-6

My mistake.

 

[Loach]

Feels like St. Louis will be a casualty unfortunately. They need a mindset change .. and they need to make realistic expectations.

But I thought rookie NHL coaches got 4-5 years?