Around the NHL — Episode XLXVI

[bicboi64]

Leafer friends sent me articles with mock Kadri to the Leafs trades. Maple Leafs Trade Pitch Re-Acquires $49 Million Forward From Flames

Maple Leafs get:

• Nazem Kadri (with $3.5 million retained)
• 2025 fifth-round pick
• 2026 sixth-round pick

Flames get:

• David Kampf
• Nick Robertson
• Ryan Reaves
• 2025 second-round pick

No way CGY makes that deal. Kadri at half retained is a solid contract and the only value the Leafs would give up in that move is Robertson and a 2nd. I hope the Leafs pay a premium to get Kadri and then extend Tavares to a deal that pays him at least $8 million aav.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

Kadri has a NMC. So I doubt he accepts a trade to the Leafs or any other Canadian team.

I also don't know that his contract would be viewed as being that bad. Everybody knows that he might decline before the end of it, it I could see him getting a similar contract if he was a UFA this past July 1st.

It would still have to be a hockey trade at this point because there is very little open cap space available. Something like Kadri to Pittsburgh for Rakell. Where Pittsburgh gets the better player and Calgary gets out of the bigger contract.

 

[HSF]

Kadri has a NMC. So I doubt he accepts a trade to the Leafs or any other Canadian team.

I also don't know that his contract would be viewed as being that bad. Everybody knows that he might decline before the end of it, it I could see him getting a similar contract if he was a UFA this past July 1st.

It would still have to be a hockey trade at this point because there is very little open cap space available. Something like Kadri to Pittsburgh for Rakell. Where Pittsburgh gets the better player and Calgary gets out of the bigger contract.

Kadri wanted to stay in Toronto. I think he would go back

Don't see how Toronto can make it happen though..or why they would want to

 

[BigRig4]

6x5.5 for Guhle, only starting next year. Feels like the Habs robbed him.

 

[DueDiligence]

6x5.5 for Guhle, only starting next year. Feels like the Habs robbed him.

He's a good player but nothing special.

 

[Senscore]

An incredible deal if the Habs fans who compared him to Sanderson are to be believed

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

An incredible deal if the Habs fans who compared him to Sanderson are to be believed

Not saying he is Sanderson ...but I like Guhle and think its a good deal.

https://x.com/i/web/status/1818637079116480774

He gets trade protection in the final 2 years of a decreasing salary contract which seems a bit weird to me for a young player. Buys 2 UFA years. At 29 he can go UFA. Feels like Guhle is leaving a little money on the table in an increasing Cap world but its not bad

 

[bicboi64]

The deal seems pretty even. Guhle is a young D that played decently considering how crap MTL were, but he's overpaid for the first year or two. He'll outplay the contract by the end of it and get a big pay day if he continues his progression. Habs fans that think he's a Sanderson are out to lunch lol

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1818982802479534108

Interesting allegations. Mark Seidel's (North American Central Scouting Independent Bureau) draft day predictions , discussed on our 2024 Draft thread, are under scrutiny.

These guys reps are taking big hits whether true or not.

 

[BondraTime]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1818982802479534108

Interesting allegations. Mark Seidel's (North American Central Scouting Independent Bureau) draft day predictions , discussed on our 2024 Draft thread, are under scrutiny.

These guys reps are taking big hits whether true or not.

Not sure how the gambling bit works, though it’s definitely not a good look. Not sure there are any books that would still be open 2 minutes before each pick, but I am not too sure on how things would work in Vegas. Definitely wouldn’t work for online sports books. But if you have inside info and books or betting is still open, you can make a fortune.

We essentially know now that everything Seidel said was accurate, which means Beaudin was a real option, between him getting the info first hand from the draft floor and him having the position he does with Barrie.

Reps are definitely taking a hit, though to be fair Seidel has always mentioned that he’s hearing that stuff from the draft, we just didn’t know who he was hearing things from. But phrasing it as “I’ve heard xxx team likes xxx” when you’ve really just been told who is being picked is pretty shady.

Gambling bit definitely plays a gigantic part nowadays, a guy like Marek can’t be giving sure thing info like that out when you can legitimately make a fortune betting on this stuff. I’m sure the draft happening in Vegas magnified things, that probably wouldn’t be looked at had the draft been anywhere else

Sennecke essentially being broadcast as being taken 3rd two-ish hours before the draft was a much bigger issue, and I’m sure Vegas was extremely upset at that info being broadcast for the few minutes people were able to rush and get sure thing odds at +450 on sports books before the odds were adjusted and closed an hour before.

To be clear, I don't think Marek or Seidel did anything wrong as long as neither were gambling, or using that info to gamble or help others. The draft being in Vegas, and the Nevada Gambling commision, had a hand in it I would think, especially with gambling happening up until an hour before on sportsbooks.

When the NFL held their draft in Vegas 2 years ago, there was no betting on the draft the entire draft weekend. It closed 5pm the day before the draft in Vegas.

 

[Xspyrit]

6x5.5 for Guhle, only starting next year. Feels like the Habs robbed him.

Depends what kind of offense he is going to put? There was a Habs fan who literally insulted me after a few games last season because I didn't agree that Guhle > Chabot already, both offensively and defensively he said.

Funny because Chabot put 33 more points in his 22 y/o season and was already a #1 D-man logging 24+ mins a game

 

[OD99]

6x5.5 for Guhle, only starting next year. Feels like the Habs robbed him.

Ya, I certainly think it is at least a good deal for the Habs. It would have been nice to have him gobble up another $1.5M or so in cap space.

 

[Masked]

An incredible deal if the Habs fans who compared him to Sanderson are to be believed

*narrator* They aren't.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Not sure how the gambling bit works, though it’s definitely not a good look. Not sure there are any books that would still be open 2 minutes before each pick, but I am not too sure on how things would work in Vegas. Definitely wouldn’t work for online sports books. But if you have inside info and books or betting is still open, you can make a fortune.

We essentially know now that everything Seidel said was accurate, which means Beaudin was a real option, between him getting the info first hand from the draft floor and him having the position he does with Barrie.

Reps are definitely taking a hit, though to be fair Seidel has always mentioned that he’s hearing that stuff from the draft, we just didn’t know who he was hearing things from. But phrasing it as “I’ve heard xxx team likes xxx” when you’ve really just been told who is being picked is pretty shady.

Gambling bit definitely plays a gigantic part nowadays, a guy like Marek can’t be giving sure thing info like that out when you can legitimately make a fortune betting on this stuff. I’m sure the draft happening in Vegas magnified things, that probably wouldn’t be looked at had the draft been anywhere else

Sennecke essentially being broadcast as being taken 3rd two-ish hours before the draft was a much bigger issue, and I’m sure Vegas was extremely upset at that info being broadcast for the few minutes people were able to rush and get sure thing odds at +450 on sports books before the odds were adjusted and closed an hour before.

To be clear, I don't think Marek or Seidel did anything wrong as long as neither were gambling, or using that info to gamble or help others. The draft being in Vegas, and the Nevada Gambling commision, had a hand in it I would think, especially with gambling happening up until an hour before on sportsbooks.

When the NFL held their draft in Vegas 2 years ago, there was no betting on the draft the entire draft weekend. It closed 5pm the day before the draft in Vegas.

The no betting on draft day would not be so terrible a way to avoid any concern.

 

[Butchy Dakkar]

*narrator* They aren't.

It's funny they never intended a narrator but because the scripts were so convoluted and it was on a major network in a sitcom slot they had to add the narration, which eventually became defining feature of the series. That's why the first few episodes were awkward until narration was incorporated into the writing process.

 

[Laphroaig]

Considering all the crappy backup goalies in the NHL right now I'm gobsmacked that no one has yet to sign Kevin Lankinen. He's 29 years old with save pcts. of .908 and .916 the last two seasons. If Forsberg wasn't under contract I'd have loved to sign this guy.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Considering all the crappy backup goalies in the NHL right now I'm gobsmacked that no one has yet to sign Kevin Lankinen. He's 29 years old with save pcts. of .908 and .916 the last two seasons. If Forsberg wasn't under contract I'd have loved to sign this guy.

Sounds like a 5x5AAV worthy goalie to me.
-- Pierre Dorion

 

[Senscore]

Considering all the crappy backup goalies in the NHL right now I'm gobsmacked that no one has yet to sign Kevin Lankinen. He's 29 years old with save pcts. of .908 and .916 the last two seasons. If Forsberg wasn't under contract I'd have loved to sign this guy.

He was one of the low budget options I was floating in lieu of Korpisalo last summer.

I genuinely have no idea why GMs keep giving money to mediocre but "known" goalies in place of guys that have decent numbers but just need more of a runway to prove themselves.

I'd much rather have Lankinen at whatever bargain deal he'll end up signing than Forsberg in the backup slot.

Goaltending is such a lynchpin position but it can be so temperamental. There are few guys I'd give a multi year deal to. Another Dorion blunder.

 

[DrEasy]

He was one of the low budget options I was floating in lieu of Korpisalo last summer.

I genuinely have no idea why GMs keep giving money to mediocre but "known" goalies in place of guys that have decent numbers but just need more of a runway to prove themselves.

I'd much rather have Lankinen at whatever bargain deal he'll end up signing than Forsberg in the backup slot.

Goaltending is such a lynchpin position but it can be so temperamental. There are few guys I'd give a multi year deal to. Another Dorion blunder.

Not super related to what you just posted, but it made me think: I haven't looked into it, but I wonder how much variability there is in stats such as SV%; is it something like batting average in baseball, where there's a huge element of luck involved and it fluctuates like crazy (duh), but which you can isolate with underlying numbers (like BABIP in baseball), and find the luck independent stat that is much more stable (like FIP for pitchers).

Maybe SV% is just something to consider only in conjunction with its BABIP equivalent, whatever that is.

 

[BigRig4]

He was one of the low budget options I was floating in lieu of Korpisalo last summer.

I genuinely have no idea why GMs keep giving money to mediocre but "known" goalies in place of guys that have decent numbers but just need more of a runway to prove themselves.

I'd much rather have Lankinen at whatever bargain deal he'll end up signing than Forsberg in the backup slot.

Goaltending is such a lynchpin position but it can be so temperamental. There are few guys I'd give a multi year deal to. Another Dorion blunder.

I do wonder if part of keeping Forsberg around is to appease Ullmark. They’re long time friends and former teammates. Help him acclimatize etc. Could help us secure that extension.

 

[Micklebot]

I do wonder if part of keeping Forsberg around is to appease Ullmark. They’re long time friends and former teammates. Help him acclimatize etc. Could help us secure that extension.

I don't think moving on from Forsberg makes a lot of sense right now, yes he had a bad year last year, but he'd been good for us prior. We'd likely have to send a pick with him to move him, so we're probably better off just keeping him as our backup until the end of his contract and hope he bounces back.

 

[Nac Mac Feegle]

Keeping Forsberg is good for the players, as well. Guys are familiar with his style and only have to adapt to Ullmark. I'd wager getting to know and habits of both your goalies at once and adapt to it wouldn't be a good way to get off to a quick start this fall. Just a little thing, but all those little things make a difference.

 

[Sensmileletsgo]

Forsberg is decent as a backup, no? Just a little overpaid.

 

[BigRig4]

Forsberg is decent as a backup, no? Just a little overpaid.

If he plays like he did pre-double knee surgery then yes. I wouldn’t bank on it though.

 

[Micklebot]

If he plays like he did pre-double knee surgery then yes. I wouldn’t bank on it though.

He didn't have surgery, he said had we been in the playoffs he'd have been ready for them