Around the NHL — Episode XLXVI

[jbeck5]

This guy is better than Brannstrom but the difference is not big. This is a pretty big gamble of a contract by the Caps.

I see a noticeable difference with the eye test. Those random skilled moments you see out of brannstrom where he wows you with a sweet pass or Deke every 50 games...sandin does it every few games instead of every 50 games.

Then you look at production.

Sandin has 55 points the last 2 years. Brannstrom has 31.

Sandin has 34% more points in his career in 14% less games.

So sandin's career ppg is 0.39. (32 point pace per 82)
Brannstrom's career ppg is 0.25. (20 point pace per 82)

That means sandin is 56% more productive offensively than brannstrom.


These differences are significant. Those extra 12 goals he helps create from the back end make a difference.

Add 12 goals to our gf and it can make the difference between making the playoffs and not.

 

[jbeck5]

Points per 60 (5-on-5) are in favour of Brannstrom: 0.84 to 0.74. If he got Sandin's deployment he'd get 30 points a year too. Sandin gets a full minute more of PP time per game and a full minute less of SH.

I'd rather have Sandin but the difference is small. He plays 20 minutes a night because the Caps D corps is not very good. It's not a reason to give him 5 years at nearly 5 million.

Brannstrom was here when Sanderson and chychrun weren't and he wasn't able to produce or secure more ice time then either. He didn't look like he deserved it then either.

I've always been extremely underwhelmed with his production. He has gotten better defensively, but where's the offense from this guy?

Middling defense like Jason York, janne laukannen, Igor kravchuk, sami Salo, Patrick traverse have all produced more than brannstrom.

Heck... brannstroms production even falls short of 3rd line defense first physical players.

Even lance pitlick had 5 goals in 55 games one year. Brannstrom would dream of scoring 5 in 55.

Or Ricard Persson with 18 points in 67 games...a pace brannstrom has not been able to match.

Even volchenkovs rookie season, a guy who couldn't handle the puck, produced more than brannstrom ever has.

Throw in guys like Brian pothier.

The list goes on and on.


Brannstrom is pretty much a black hole offensively considering how much talent he has compared to all the guys I listed above in senators history.

 

[Alf Silfversson]

Brannstrom was here when Sanderson and chychrun weren't and he wasn't able to produce or secure more ice time then either. He didn't look like he deserved it then either.

I've always been extremely underwhelmed with his production. He has gotten better defensively, but where's the offense from this guy?

Middling defense like Jason York, janne laukannen, Igor kravchuk, sami Salo, Patrick traverse have all produced more than brannstrom.

Heck... brannstroms production even falls short of 3rd line defense first physical players.

Even lance pitlick had 5 goals in 55 games one year. Brannstrom would dream of scoring 5 in 55.

Or Ricard Persson with 18 points in 67 games...a pace brannstrom has not been able to match.

Even volchenkovs rookie season, a guy who couldn't handle the puck, produced more than brannstrom ever has.

Throw in guys like Brian pothier.

The list goes on and on.


Brannstrom is pretty much a black hole offensively considering how much talent he has compared to all the guys I listed above in senators history.

My point wasn't that Brannstrom is great offensively. He is, however, better at 5-on-5 offense this year than Sandin. I like Sandin fine as a player (I don't mind Brannstrom either), but he's not a player I would give that contract to.

And saying Brannstrom is a black hole offensively is inaccurate. I'd like to see more scoring from him but he's ahead of the following players in points per 60 at even strength: Brent Burns, Matt Roy, Tyson Barrie, John Carlson, Seth Jones and ,yes, Rasmus Sandin, among others.

 

[jbeck5]

My point wasn't that Brannstrom is great offensively. He is, however, better at 5-on-5 offense this year than Sandin. I like Sandin fine as a player (I don't mind Brannstrom either), but he's not a player I would give that contract to.

And saying Brannstrom is a black hole offensively is inaccurate. I'd like to see more scoring from him but he's ahead of the following players in points per 60 at even strength: Brent Burns, Matt Roy, Tyson Barrie, John Carlson, Seth Jones and ,yes, Rasmus Sandin, among others.

Points per 60 isn't a great indicator as usages change.

Brannstrom simply doesn't produce. He doesn't get more ice time because he doesn't produce.

How does an offensive defenseman who can't even hit 20 points stay in the league? He's borderline useless out there. He's not in our top 3-4 puck movers and he's not in our top 3-4 shut down D. He's that player that has enough talent to be in the NHL but has no role. He's not big or physical enough to be a shut down guy and he's not productive enough to be an offensive or two way guy.

Did you see the list of defenseman that have played for Ottawa that have produced more than brannstrom? Plenty of talentless journeymen....and brannstrom has had several kicks at the can to try to produce more offense than Ricard Persson or more goals than Lance pitclick but has failed every year.

He's gone this summer. Guaranteed. I wouldn't be surprised if he's not qualified.

 

[Xspyrit]

This guy is better than Brannstrom but the difference is not big. This is a pretty big gamble of a contract by the Caps.

Yeah Sandin is a good comparison for Brannstrom, just has a bigger opportunity in Washington. If I'm his agent I look at this and request a trade so my customer gets a bigger opportunity somewhere and ends up making more money

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

Points per 60 isn't a great indicator as usages change.

Brannstrom simply doesn't produce. He doesn't get more ice time because he doesn't produce.

How does an offensive defenseman who can't even hit 20 points stay in the league? He's borderline useless out there. He's not in our top 3-4 puck movers and he's not in our top 3-4 shut down D. He's that player that has enough talent to be in the NHL but has no role. He's not big or physical enough to be a shut down guy and he's not productive enough to be an offensive or two way guy.

Did you see the list of defenseman that have played for Ottawa that have produced more than brannstrom? Plenty of talentless journeymen....and brannstrom has had several kicks at the can to try to produce more offense than Ricard Persson or more goals than Lance pitclick but has failed every year.

He's gone this summer. Guaranteed. I wouldn't be surprised if he's not qualified.

usages change and every time one of our top 4 defenceman has played with brannstrom they have performed well, the pairing has performed well and Brannstrom has performed well.

versatility and a 3rd pair defenceman being able to move up into the top 4 and the pairing performing well is not borderline useless.


you're too concerned with the point totals, if he was a little more lucky he has more, does it change things that much?

Brannstroms point totals suck solely because of his shot. he needs to improve it or at the very least learn how to shoot for screened shots, tips, and rebounds. He gets and creates enough chances.

 

[Alf Silfversson]

I mean, the Sens D is awful, worse than the Caps, and he’s less than 16 minutes a night, has even been healthy scratched.

LOL. The LHD on the Caps is Sandin and Joel Edmundson. How does that compare to Sanderson, Chychrun and Chabot in terms of competition for playing time? One guy has arguably 3 top pairing guys as competition when the other has Joel Edmundson.

It's not even remotely close when it comes to depth charts.

 

[BondraTime]

LOL. The LHD on the Caps is Sandin Joel Edmundson. How does that compare to Sanderson, Chychrun and Chabot in terms of competition for playing time? One guy has arguably 3 top pairing guys as competition when the other has Joel Edmundson.

It's not even remotely close when it comes to depth charts.

Fehevery is injured, he's a very solid 19/20 min a night 2nd pair guy for them on the left side

Edmunsson is their big bottom pair guy at 16 mins a night.

Unlikely Brannstrom would be in their top 3 LD in a healthy lineup, and they have a strong stable of right D.

 

[Senscore]

Uncrowned Conn Smythe winner Bowen Byram traded for Casey Mittelstadt

 

[Mark Stones Spleen]

Holy shit it's been a wild 30 min. Everyone wanted Tarasenko and went to their plan Bs.

 

[jbeck5]

usages change and every time one of our top 4 defenceman has played with brannstrom they have performed well, the pairing has performed well and Brannstrom has performed well.

versatility and a 3rd pair defenceman being able to move up into the top 4 and the pairing performing well is not borderline useless.


you're too concerned with the point totals, if he was a little more lucky he has more, does it change things that much?

Brannstroms point totals suck solely because of his shot. he needs to improve it or at the very least learn how to shoot for screened shots, tips, and rebounds. He gets and creates enough chances.

He also can't seem to rack up assists. All these even strength goals and he's not getting secondary apples?

Why can't he produce as much as Ricard Persson?who played during lower league scoring I might add.

He just lacks all creative instincts in the offensive zone. Even when he makes one of his crazy dekes every 50 games, he doesn't seem to produce off them.


I don't think he's fully useless. I went more with borderline which means easily replaceable.

I would just expect more from him at a couple million. I think we can get a physical defensive D for his money that would be way more useful to this team.

 

[SpezDispenser]

Henrique for a 1st is wayyy too much. Walker for a 1st is waaaay too much. Tarasenko for a 3rd and 4th is....

 

[Alf Silfversson]

Fehevery is injured, he's a very solid 19/20 min a night 2nd pair guy for them on the left side

Edmunsson is their big bottom pair guy at 16 mins a night.

Unlikely Brannstrom would be in their top 3 LD in a healthy lineup, and they have a strong stable of right D.

Yeah, you're right. An injured Fehervary is most definitely in the same league as Chychrun, Chabot or Sanderson. The fact that we're even debating this is pretty wild to me.

Funnily enough Fehervary's career stats look very similar to Brannstrom's.

 

[BondraTime]

Yeah, you;re right. An injured Fehervary is most definitely in the same league as Chychrun, Chabot or Sanderson. The fact that we're even debating this is pretty wild to me.

Funnily enough Fehervary's career stats look very similar to Brannstrom's.

I'd take Fehvery over Chychrun without a seconds hesitation.

Well, if you ignore that he's a shutdown D that plays the hardest minutes, 20 mins a night over the past 3 seasons, 63% D zone start, 6'2 205 pounds, hits like a truck. He's exactly what the Sens need in their lineup on D

The fact they both produce ~20 points a season is just gravy.

 

[Alf Silfversson]

I'd take Fehvery over Chychrun without a seconds hesitation.

Well, if you ignore that he's a shutdown D that plays the hardest minutes, 20 mins a night over the past 3 seasons, 63% D zone start, 6'2 205 pounds, hits like a truck.

The fact they both produce ~20 points a season is just gravy.

You'd take Fehervary over a guy who was 10th in Norris voting just 3 years ago and is 25 years old (one year older than Fehervary)?

Gotcha. I don't think we need to go further with this discussion.

 

[SensFactor]

Henrique for a 1st is wayyy too much. Walker for a 1st is waaaay too much. Tarasenko for a 3rd and 4th is....

Staios is a rookie GM

 

[BondraTime]

You'd take Fehervary over a guy who was 10th in Norris voting just 3 years ago and is 25 years old (one year older than Fehervary)?

Gotcha. I don't think we need to go further with this discussion.

Without a doubt.

If that's what you want, all good!

 

[HSF]

I'd take Fehvery over Chychrun without a seconds hesitation.

Well, if you ignore that he's a shutdown D that plays the hardest minutes, 20 mins a night over the past 3 seasons, 63% D zone start, 6'2 205 pounds, hits like a truck. He's exactly what the Sens need in their lineup on D

The fact they both produce ~20 points a season is just gravy.

lol

 

[Alf Silfversson]

Without a doubt.

If that's what you want, all good!

All good for sure. I just can't see a single NHL coach consistently playing Martin Fehervary over Jakob Chychrun. If you think otherwise that's cool but I don't think we're going to be able to find enough common ground to debate in good faith.

 

[SpezDispenser]

Staios is a rookie GM

We're about to find out when he can trade without the f***ing NTC strangling him. This was such a crap return though...jfc.

I'd take Fehvery over Chychrun without a seconds hesitation.

Well, if you ignore that he's a shutdown D that plays the hardest minutes, 20 mins a night over the past 3 seasons, 63% D zone start, 6'2 205 pounds, hits like a truck. He's exactly what the Sens need in their lineup on D

The fact they both produce ~20 points a season is just gravy.

What do you mean they both produce ~20 points a season?

 

[BondraTime]

All good for sure. I just can't see a single NHL coach consistently playing Martin Fehervary over Jakob Chychrun. If you think otherwise that's cool but I don't think we're going to be able to find enough common ground to debate in good faith.

They are completely different players.

Chychrun is not good defensively, good offensively but not a star, not a guarantee to be a PP1 guy, not a PK1 guy.

Fehevery is extremely physical, plays shutdown minutes, plays PK1. Every team in the hunt for the playoffs has Martin Fehevery type players in their lineup. Erik Cernak, Brayden McNabb, Joel Edmunsson, Josh Manson, Niskanen, Orpik, etc. Guys you want in your own end, guys you want wearing down the forwards, guys you want at the end of the game. Guys who aren't tearing up the scoresheet or playing with finesse.

Fehevery fills a very valuable role, and he does it/will do it, at a very favorable price. I will take that on my team 10/10 times over a guy who is 2nd at best on the pecking order for the PP at a high price.

 

[Alf Silfversson]

They are completely different players.

Chychrun is not good defensively, good offensively but not a star, not a guarantee to be a PP1 guy, not a PK1 guy.

Fehevery is extremely physical, plays shutdown minutes, plays PK1. Every team in the hunt for the playoffs has Martin Fehevery type players in their lineup. Erik Cernak, Brayden McNabb, Joel Edmunsson, Josh Manson, Niskanen, Orpik, etc. Guys you want in your own end, guys you want wearing down the forwards, guys you want at the end of the game. Guys who aren't tearing up the scoresheet or playing with finesse.

Fehevery fills a very valuable role, and he does it/will do it, at a very favorable price. I will take that on my team 10/10 times over a guy who is 2nd at best on the pecking order for the PP at a high price.

Well we never discussed contract but let me ask you this: do you think Sandin is better than Fehervary? And do you think that Sandin is better than Chychrun?

Contract aside who should be playing more minutes of the game among those players?

 

[Qward]

Friday is going to be boring

 

[BondraTime]

Well we never discussed contract but let me ask you this: do you think Sandin is better than Fehervary? And do you think that Sandin is better than Chychrun?

Contract aside who should be playing more minutes of the game among those players?

I think Sandin as a PMD will get more minutes. He’s doing those admirably. Same way Chychrun is getting more than Zub, but one fills a role much, much better and is much more important to a team.

I think Chychrun is the better and more proven player than Sandin.

I think both guys as offensive players will get paid a lot more.

I think Fehevery fills his role on a team (especially one built to win) much, much better than either Sandin or Chychrun will.

I don’t think Chych fills a role in a winning team. I think Fehevery can.

 

[Hale The Villain]

I get trading Mittelstadt for D help when you have half a dozen talented young forwards coming through the pipeline, but is Byram really what the Sabres need?