Around the NHL — Episode XLXVI

[Wallet Inspector]

And here I thought maybe we could get Lundqvist for Sokolov.

 

[Ouroboros]

Did Dallas think they were trading for Henrik!?

 

[PatrickEaves]

And here I thought maybe we could get Lundqvist for Sokolov.

I was thinking a swap for Brannstrom myself. >_>

 

[Wallet Inspector]

For a team forced to make a trade the Rangers did pretty well.

Getting bad returns for "forced" trades is something Sens fans are too conditioned to.

I remember Marty St Louis basically only wanted to go to NYR and Tampa got a better return for him than we did for Spezza.

 

[Flamingo]

Wow, it's top-pairing-defenseman retirement day.

Chara, Subban, and Yandle.

 

[Senscore]

Cue Sarah McLachlan's I Will Remember You . . .

 

[Hale The Villain]

MacKinnon re-signed. 12.6M x 8YRs.

Finally overpaid after being underpaid his whole career

 

[PatrickEaves]

MacKinnon re-signed. 12.6M x 8YRs.

Finally overpaid after being underpaid his whole career

That's so much ****'ing money.

 

[Wallet Inspector]

MacKinnon re-signed. 12.6M x 8YRs.

Finally overpaid after being underpaid his whole career

Tbh with a rising cap I'd say it's a fair deal for a top 5 player in the league.

 

[PatrickEaves]

Tbh with a rising cap I'd say it's a fair deal for a top 5 player in the league.

You'll change your tune when Timmy is a better player 3 years from now

 

[Wallet Inspector]

You'll change your tune when Timmy is a better player 3 years from now

Here's hoping, lol

 

[JD1]

MacKinnon re-signed. 12.6M x 8YRs.

Finally overpaid after being underpaid his whole career

I don't get the underpaid thing.

Players sometimes are offered life long financial security coming off ELCs. Karlsson and Turris took it. They outperformed. But I don't get the mentality that they're owed something

White didn't live up to his deal. Does he owe us?

I think that's a fair deal considering his status in the game and age. Cap inflation will only help

 

[BankStreetParade]

I don't get the underpaid thing.

Players sometimes are offered life long financial security coming off ELCs. Karlsson and Turris took it. They outperformed. But I don't get the mentality that they're owed something

White didn't live up to his deal. Does he owe us?

I think that's a fair deal considering his status in the game and age. Cap inflation will only help

Most people will agree with you. Make this retroactive to Alfredsson and 99% will disagree with you. Kinda funny, no?

 

[Hale The Villain]

Tbh with a rising cap I'd say it's a fair deal for a top 5 player in the league.

I don't think MacKinnon is going to age gracefully.

His offense comes entirely from his dynamic tools and skillset, which I think is legitimately the best in the league.

Once he loses a step he won't be nearly as effective because he's just not a smart hockey player.

I know it sounds crazy to say that about a player who's been a 100P guy the last 5 years, but I've never seen a player kill more plays due to poor IQ.

He gets away with it now because he creates so much out of nothing but once the elite speed goes the contract will be an anchor.

 

[BankStreetParade]

I don't think MacKinnon is going to age gracefully.

His offense comes entirely from his dynamic tools and skillset, which I think is legitimately the best in the league.

Once he loses a step he won't be nearly as effective because he's just not a smart hockey player.

I know it sounds crazy to say that about a player who's been a 100P guy the last 5 years, but I've never seen a player kill more plays due to poor IQ.

He gets away with it now because he creates so much out of nothing but once the elite speed goes the contract will be an anchor.

He just turned 27 like 2 weeks ago. How quickly do you think his physical capabilities are going to deteriorate?

 

[Hale The Villain]

He just turned 27 like 2 weeks ago. How quickly do you think his physical capabilities are going to deteriorate?

Early 30s is pretty standard, and his contract is going until he's 36.

 

[SPF6ty9]

I don't think MacKinnon is going to age gracefully.

His offense comes entirely from his dynamic tools and skillset, which I think is legitimately the best in the league.

Once he loses a step he won't be nearly as effective because he's just not a smart hockey player.

I know it sounds crazy to say that about a player who's been a 100P guy the last 5 years, but I've never seen a player kill more plays due to poor IQ.

He gets away with it now because he creates so much out of nothing but once the elite speed goes the contract will be an anchor.

To be fair, I think a lot of this could have been said about Ovechkin when he was younger and he adapted. MacKinnon seems like someone that would be even more meticulous and dedicated to his craft, so I think it's very possible he'd find a way to adapt.

 

[PatrickEaves]

He just turned 27 like 2 weeks ago. How quickly do you think his physical capabilities are going to deteriorate?

How fast did it happen to Karlsson?

 

[Micklebot]

How fast did it happen to Karlsson?

To be fair, he had multiple major injuries requiring surgery to his ankles and his game was pretty reliant on his skating. Things can go south fast at any age with those types of injuries.

 

[YouGotAStuGoing]

Most people will agree with you. Make this retroactive to Alfredsson and 99% will disagree with you. Kinda funny, no?

This lacks context. Alfredsson's final deal with Ottawa came with a year tagged on at the end that neither team nor player expected him to play, but helped drive down the AAV. When he did play it and expressed interest at the time in returning, the team agreed to a value that made him whole for that final year. The team reneged on a deal and that's where the disagreement stems from.

Comparatively, was MacKinnon owed anything by Colorado? No, of course not. But good on him for cashing in and good on the organization for understanding the value he brings.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Most people will agree with you. Make this retroactive to Alfredsson and 99% will disagree with you. Kinda funny, no?

Didn't that come with a direct claim from Alfredsson that promises were made about compensating on a future deal and not kept though? Maybe I'm misremembering.

 

[Micklebot]

Didn't that come with a direct claim from Alfredsson that promises were made about compensating on a future deal and not kept though? Maybe I'm misremembering.

No, you remember it fine. Alfredsson claimed he was promised that they would make it up to him for playing the year at 1 mil that neither team or player expected him to still be playing for.

"When I did my last contract, ending in the 2012 season, I was asked to help the team manage the salary cap by adding on an extra year to my contract," he said. "I agreed. Each side fully expected I would retire and not play the 2012-13 season."

"In late June this year, I decided I had it in me to play one more season," he said. "I told management I was prepared to return, and reminded them of our [handshake] agreement [to make up for my 2012-13 salary] from the year before. To my disappointment, negotiations quickly stalled, and only a few days later other teams contacted me, including Detroit."

The team however disputed that interpretation of events.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

No, you remember it fine. Alfredsson claimed he was promised that they would make it up to him for playing the year at 1 mil that neither team or player expected him to still be playing for.



The team however disputed that interpretation of events.

Thanks, I thought so. Certainly blurs the lines too much to be comparable, regardless of which sides interpretation you take.

 

[JD1]

I don't think MacKinnon is going to age gracefully.

His offense comes entirely from his dynamic tools and skillset, which I think is legitimately the best in the league.

Once he loses a step he won't be nearly as effective because he's just not a smart hockey player.

I know it sounds crazy to say that about a player who's been a 100P guy the last 5 years, but I've never seen a player kill more plays due to poor IQ.

He gets away with it now because he creates so much out of nothing but once the elite speed goes the contract will be an anchor.

If you have elite speed and lose it, you can reinvent yourself

If you have average speed or below average speed and lose it, you can't play at all.

There's a big difference there

 

[Masked]

His offense comes entirely from his dynamic tools and skillset, which I think is legitimately the best in the league.

Better than McDavid?

Assen na yo!