Around the NHL — Episode XLXVI

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Super Cake

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Good for a chuckle.

The funniest thing is it is not written as satire.

The guy has his head so far up the Leafs ass that he can't see reality. A team that can't make it past the 1st round is absolutely not the NHL best team. Leafs are Canadas best choker team.
 

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The guy has his head so far up the Leafs ass that he can't see reality. A team that can't make it past the 1st round is absolutely not the NHL best team. Leafs are Canadas best choker team.
Objectively by team success it would have ot be:

1) Edmonton
2) Calgary
3) Leafs

and then throw in non-playoff teams in the standings and its:

4) Vancouver
5) Winnepeg
6) Ottawa
7) Montreal

Going into this season, Calgary drops to a tied for 2) with Leafs, mostly because of loss key players.
How far up Ottawa climbs is to be seen. Without revisionist theory, I'd probably definitely put us in that Leafs territory, but it's not like I'd say they're clearly head and shoulders above the Leafs.
 

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Good for a chuckle.

The funniest thing is it is not written as satire.


The Toronto Maple Leafs are clearly Canada’s best team, and, playoff success aside, they are likely the NHL’s best team too.

At worst, you can say that the Toronto Maple Leafs are one of three teams, along with Tampa and Colorado who makes up the current elite class of the NHL.

Well, other people will say worse, but that’s the worst you could say if you were well informed, unbiased and hellbent on speaking the truth.

We aren’t here today to regale the haterinos with bluster and bravado...


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After the Stutzle, Norris, Thomas, Hughes, Suzuki, etc contracts I’m looking forward to seeing what Robertson gets followed by Zegras and Laf next year. I think Zegras might pass Stu’s AAV.
 

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not giving that clown clicks for his shitty website. Hes a known massive homer on twitter. Some of his takes are insane lol
He did say that Ottawa was his 2nd favorite team. But also said some playoff successes are a joke with bad teams going far like the 2021 Habs and 2007 Senators. Say what?

That team wasn't the best team Ottawa ever iced but sure as hell better than anything the Leafs have put on ice since the lockout.

I shouldn't have clicked. Can get the same takes on HFBoards

After the Stutzle, Norris, Thomas, Hughes, Suzuki, etc contracts I’m looking forward to seeing what Robertson gets followed by Zegras and Laf next year. I think Zegras might pass Stu’s AAV.
Zegras will be interesting if he and Stützle have similar stats this year with Timmy being a year younger.

Lafreniere and the Rangers would both be better suited to a bridge.
 

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He did say that Ottawa was his 2nd favorite team. But also said some playoff successes are a joke with bad teams going far like the 2021 Habs and 2007 Senators. Say what?

That team wasn't the best team Ottawa ever iced but sure as hell better than anything the Leafs have put on ice since the lockout.

I shouldn't have clicked. Can get the same takes on HFBoards


Zegras will be interesting if he and Stützle have similar stats this year with Timmy being a year younger.

Lafreniere and the Rangers would both be better suited to a bridge.
On the Laf front, if Montreal reacquires their 2024 2nd from Arizona I could see Milano wanting to make a play.
 

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I for one am glad our forward group doesn't consist of a bunch of gutless softbois like some other Ontario teams.


As long as their most talented players are also the softest they won't be going anywhere.
 

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The leafs current roster totalled 275 goals last year. That’s 37 goals less than the leafs scored last year. I continue to be dumbfounded that the media is discounting the attrition on that team.
 

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The leafs current roster totalled 275 goals last year. That’s 37 goals less than the leafs scored last year. I continue to be dumbfounded that the media is discounting the attrition on that team.

Paces per 82 games for last season :

Matthews 67 goals, 119 pts
Marner 40 goals, 110 pts
Nylander 34 goals, 81 pts
Tavares 28 goals, 79 pts
Bunting 24 goals, 65 pts
Kerfoot 13 goals, 51 pts
Engvall 16 goals, 37 pts
Jarnkrok 15 goals, 37 pts

Kampf 11 goals, 26 pts (n/a to make it a fair comparison with Pinto)

Total : 237 goals, 579 pts

Debrincat 41 goals, 78 pts
Batherson 30 goals, 78 pts
Giroux 23 goals, 71 pts
Tkachuk 31 goals, 70 pts
Norris 43 goals, 68 pts
Stützle 23 goals, 60 pts
Joseph 14 goals, 36 pts
Formenton 19 goals, 33 pts
Pinto n/a


Total : 224 goals, 494 pts

And yet the Leafs homers got up in arms when I said this :

The advantage the Leafs have is their 3 best (Matthews, Marner, Nylander) are better than the Sens 3 comparable positionally best (Stutzle, Batherson, Giroux) but Ottawa has a serious advantage too in Tkachuk and DeBrincat over Kerfoot and Bunting. The 3rd line could also potentially be better

I voted Ottawa in support but as of now the safe bet is the Leafs. But don't be surprised if the Sens Top-9 is better as soon as this season



My post got shredded to pieces, maybe some people didn't realize I was projecting for the future (mainly for Stutzle) and not only reading stats on hockeydb.com? I mean, some people's hockey analysis is so superficial, it's crazy and then they have the nerves to trash your post. I didn't listen before but now I kinda understand when people here were telling me that the Leafs fanbase was insufferable :laugh:

I also said this :

You have to compare by position IMO (best by position vs best, etc) :

Matthews > Stutzle : this will surprise people but Stutzle turned 20 in January and went almost PPG after that. He will never score as many goals as Matthews but he's a beast in the making as well

Marner > Batherson : it's Marner without a doubt but the gap is not as big as people would imagine. Give Batherson an healthy season and Matthews as his center and he explodes even more than he did last season where he was easily the best Sens forward when healthy

Bunting << DeBrincat : Bunting is nice but this is easily ADB

Tavares = Norris : this is closer than people think, it could be in Norris favor as soon as this season as Tavares ages. Norris will be the better goal scorer going forward and is already much better defensively

Nylander > Giroux : Nylander is younger and more dynamic but Giroux still brings a lot overall, this is close

Kerfoot <<< Tkachuk : yeah Brady is an unicorn powerforward. This isn't close at all

Jarnkrok >= Joseph : Calle is more proven but Joseph could very well outplay him this season

Engvall < Formenton : very similar players but not close. Forms is younger and could make the gap even bigger in the near future

Kampf < Pinto : based on potential for Pinto but his lower end floor is a player like Kampf


Of course, I could be wrong on some here but based on what the Sens players have shown in the past and their age/development curve, I think it's reasonable to think that some of them will reach a new level. All the Leafs players are at their absolute peak or will already start regressing (Tavares)

Or maybe they get up in arms because of the number of ">"? I mean it's not quantifiable so not all these > will be equal lol

I don't see what I have said that was this outrageous.

I said Matthews > Stutzle but if Stu becomes as good as we think (let's say a 90 pts center), then why would you need several >?

Maybe people have no idea who Batherson is but give him an healthy season with Matthews and he would rack a crazy amount of points too.

Tavares paced for more points than Norris but who's the better goal scorer and who is much better defensively? This is a wash at best.

Etc
 
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The leafs were unbelievably lucky with injuries. Their top 6 missed a combined 26 games and their top D pair both played the full 82 games.

I think they take a step back


The bruins will be without Marchand and McAvoy for a while. History will tell us Kreiji will struggle after spending a year in Czechia.

I think they take a step back.


The Panthers should be fine with Tkachuk replacing Huberdeau since they were so prolific to begin with and Lundell looks ready to take another step, but there are serious questions about their D without Weeger.

I think they win the division but probably closer to 110 points.


The Lightning lost McDonaugh and Palat but should weather the losses in the regular season at least.

I think they wind up in 2nd or 3rd in the division.
 
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My main fear when it comes to Toronah is that we make the playoffs and lose to them in 7, thus giving them their first series win since they beat us in 2004.

That would be hard to take haha. It wouldn't be too surprising of course and our future looks better than theirs but, god damn it, I want to beat the Leafs in the playoffs. I can accept the Sens not winning a Cup in my lifetime but we have to beat the Leafs a bunch of time in the playoffs.
 

Deku

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He did say that Ottawa was his 2nd favorite team. But also said some playoff successes are a joke with bad teams going far like the 2021 Habs and 2007 Senators. Say what?

That team wasn't the best team Ottawa ever iced but sure as hell better than anything the Leafs have put on ice since the lockout.

I shouldn't have clicked. Can get the same takes on HFBoards


Zegras will be interesting if he and Stützle have similar stats this year with Timmy being a year younger.

Lafreniere and the Rangers would both be better suited to a bridge.

Surely he meant 2017 Sens and not 2007... right???

I've seen that dude have some pretty bad takes on twitter, I think he's a bit notorious for being a homer even among leafs fans

edit- heres an amazing sentence from his latest article:
"Then vs Tampa they won five times, but only three of them counted. What more could you want from this team?"
?????????

Also this:
"This is the best roster with the best coach and best GM in team history. This team would be the vast, vast favorite to win the Stanley Cup if this roster wore any other jersey. The baggage that comes with this version of the Toronto Maple Leafs is hiding the best team anyone has ever assembled in the cap era. The stats, the roster, the ages of the players, the cap situation, and the up-and-coming supplements are creating the perfect storm for this year’s Leafs to be one of the best teams ever. They should enter the season as extremely heavy favorites, but the fact that so many people are so blind to their charms is the makes this the most unique team in sports history."

:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:
 
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SlapJack

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Surely he meant 2017 Sens and not 2007... right???

I've seen that dude have some pretty bad takes on twitter, I think he's a bit notorious for being a homer even among leafs fans
You know what, I wrote 2007 and then thought the same thing, that I misread 2007 for 2017. Nope, he wrote 2007.

Some Leaf fans are going through the same denial we were 20 years ago when Ottawa kept getting eliminated by Toronto in the playoffs. The collective we was so angry that we had this supposed Cup caliber team but routinely eliminated by teams that were better at playoff hockey, or because those teams had better goaltending. Nice to see how it's them now and it's actually worse since they can't even win a single round.

Fun facts: Toronto has never played 4 rounds of playoff hockey and they've beaten 2 teams in the 21st century - Ottawa of course and 1 other series against the Yashin led Islanders. And I've never confirmed this but getting eliminated in the first round SIX years in a row must be some kind of record. If it is, I'm sure they'd weasel their way out of it by saying the Columbus series wasn't a real round. Ottawa also has 2 series wins in that time frame despite not making the playoffs for the last 5 years.

I can't see them winning the Cup unless the cap goes up to 100 million and they can fill in their bottom 6 with actual hockey players.
 

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Surely he meant 2017 Sens and not 2007... right???

I've seen that dude have some pretty bad takes on twitter, I think he's a bit notorious for being a homer even among leafs fans

edit- heres an amazing sentence from his latest article:
"Then vs Tampa they won five times, but only three of them counted. What more could you want from this team?"
?????????

Also this:
"This is the best roster with the best coach and best GM in team history. This team would be the vast, vast favorite to win the Stanley Cup if this roster wore any other jersey. The baggage that comes with this version of the Toronto Maple Leafs is hiding the best team anyone has ever assembled in the cap era. The stats, the roster, the ages of the players, the cap situation, and the up-and-coming supplements are creating the perfect storm for this year’s Leafs to be one of the best teams ever. They should enter the season as extremely heavy favorites, but the fact that so many people are so blind to their charms is the makes this the most unique team in sports history."

:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

I would really like to laugh but I can't feel anything else than pity. It sounds like a coping mechanism when fandom brings mental health problems. Some of them need to take a step back
 
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Objectively by team success it would have ot be:

1) Edmonton
2) Calgary
3) Leafs
Personally I'd put the Leafs ahead of the Flames and Oil. The leafs are a better regular season team over both of the other and I wouldn't say the Alberta teams are built for the playoffs. Edmonton is a two man team, while the flames' stars have choked in the playoffs too. Gaudreau and MTkachuk aren't there anymore, Kadri and Huberdeau might break their spell of not performing in the playoffs, but still, the Flames have choked pretty bad in the past as well.
 
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