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[izlez]

I really feel like Babcock's original public defense is really being overlooked.

He says he was getting to know the players families by having them pull up a picture of their family and having them show it to him.

And then he resigned over it.


So either,
A: He is willing to lose his job that pays millions and have his name be publicly dragged through the mud for literally the most innocent thing that has happened in the history of the world.
B: He flat out lied in his public statement.

 

[jaster]

What I don't get is why people are defending him or treating him unfairly? The comments I read on the mains that seem so detached from reality are calling our generation and below "soft" for not accepting the abuse of power.

It seems like it's mostly the people that think hazing rituals or creating a toxic work environment are OK. Just because someone did it to them they are think it's fine for others to go through the same thing.

My two grandfathers were born on the tail end of the greatest generation - the generation revered by the "tOdAy'S kIdS aRe SoFt" crowd. They were stern but fair with me as a kid. They stressed being responsible and accountable. They taught that there were consequences for your actions. I was a bit of a punk kid and didn't take those lessons to heart initially, but those lessons stuck with me.

Fast forward to today and instead of the people who revere that generation actually living up to those standards, they want to label the people actually holding those standards up as "soft." It's exactly backwards. And yeah, I bet a large part of it is what you're saying... it happened to them, so it should happen to everyone. And if you don't let it happen to you, you are weak. Those people need therapy.

 

[norrisnick]

What I don't get is why people are defending him or think he's being treated unfairly? The comments I read on the mains that seem so detached from reality are calling our generation and below "soft" for not accepting the abuse of power.

It seems like it's mostly the people that think hazing rituals or creating a toxic work environment are OK. Just because someone did it to them they are think it's fine for others to go through the same thing.

It truly boggles the mind that people will dig in their heels against progress and improving conditions whether it's in the workplace or just life in general. What happened to the old "make the world a better place for your kids" adage?

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

My two grandfathers were born on the tail end of the greatest generation - the generation revered by the "tOdAy'S kIdS aRe SoFt" crowd. They were stern but fair with me as a kid. They stressed being responsible and accountable. They taught that there were consequences for your actions. I was a bit of a punk kid and didn't take those lessons to heart initially, but those lessons stuck with me.

Fast forward to today and instead of the people who revere that generation actually living up to those standards, they want to label the people actually holding those standards up as "soft." It's exactly backwards. And yeah, I bet a large part of it is what you're saying... it happened to them, so it should happen to everyone. And if you don't let it happen to you, you are weak. Those people need therapy.

I blame boomers.

The Worst Generation

How the baby boomers — not millennials — screwed America

Are Baby Boomers The Worst Generation? - New York Almanack

Baby Boomers: Five Reasons They Are Our Worst Generation - Philadelphia Magazine

Mark Cuban: boomers are 'disappointing' and Gen Z is the 'greatest generation'

Death by Boomers: How the Worst Generation Destroyed the Planet, but First a Child - Kindle edition by Dillon, Tim. Humor & Entertainment Kindle eBooks @ Amazon.com.

Wonder why everything is so expensive these days? It's because boomers got greedy.

And on, and on, and on...

 

[norrisnick]

I really feel like Babcock's original public defense is really being overlooked.

He says he was getting to know the players families by having them pull up a picture of their family and having them show it to him.

And then he resigned over it.


So either,
A: He is willing to lose his job that pays millions and have his name be publicly dragged through the mud for literally the most innocent thing that has happened in the history of the world.
B: He flat out lied in his public statement.

How is this even a choice? And by that I don't mean, that's not a viable option, moreso that how can anyone reasonably believe anything other than that he lied?

 

[jaster]

How is this even a choice? And by that I don't mean, that's not a viable option, moreso that how can anyone reasonably believe anything other than that he lied?

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

It truly boggles the mind that people will dig in their heels against progress and improving conditions whether it's in the workplace or just life in general. What happened to the old "make the world a better place for your kids" adage?

This is something my dad (who was on the cusp of being a boomer but not quite) would say. I really wish more people prescribed to this ideal.

 

[Axel Sandy Pelikan]

What I don't get is why people are defending him or think he's being treated unfairly? The comments I read on the mains that seem so detached from reality are calling our generation and below "soft" for not accepting the abuse of power.

It seems like it's mostly the people that think hazing rituals or creating a toxic work environment are OK. Just because someone did it to them they are think it's fine for others to go through the same thing.

I mean, there was literally a guy in the thread about Spencer Knight going into PAP for help with his OCD stating "We went from guys playing with broken legs to leaving their team out to dry for THIS! Can you imagine someone walking into Mike Keenan or Scotty Bowman's office to complain about washing hands?"

Are there some things that the current generation is making a mountain out of a molehill about? Absolutely. There are some areas in which people do take offense too readily. However, this is a damn sight better than it used to be when people suffered in silence, self-medicating and self-destructing.

And onto hazing... that never should have been tolerated. I'm so glad that those shitty rituals are being dragged out of the creepy shadows into the light so people can see how f***ed up it all is.

 

[Lazlo Hollyfeld]

I blame boomers.

The Worst Generation

How the baby boomers — not millennials — screwed America

Are Baby Boomers The Worst Generation? - New York Almanack

Baby Boomers: Five Reasons They Are Our Worst Generation - Philadelphia Magazine

Mark Cuban: boomers are 'disappointing' and Gen Z is the 'greatest generation'

Death by Boomers: How the Worst Generation Destroyed the Planet, but First a Child - Kindle edition by Dillon, Tim. Humor & Entertainment Kindle eBooks @ Amazon.com.

Wonder why everything is so expensive these days? It's because boomers got greedy.

And on, and on, and on...

I think this quote from your links sums them up best:

"I’ve always seen the boomers as a generational trust-fund baby: They inherited a country they had no part in building, failed to appreciate it, and seized on all the benefits while leaving nothing behind."

 

[izlez]

How is this even a choice? And by that I don't mean, that's not a viable option, moreso that how can anyone reasonably believe anything other than that he lied?

Right. Based on the information we have, it's hard to come to any other conclusion.

Which only further raises questions how people are defending him. The bald faced lying seems like a fireable offense on its own.

 

[RED WINGS STOMP]

How is he not trying to be abusive? What is your case there?

The issue here is that what he chose to do exemplifies everything negative we have heard about him previously (and then it became public).

He thinks he is above the rules or that rules don’t apply to him.

Defense being he was honestly just trying to connect to his players on a personal level and didnt think it was an abuse of power to look at those pics on their phone?

Like it was mentioned, good chance their more to the story on this one.

 

[ManwithNoIdentity]

Well thanks for clearing that up!

 

[Axel Sandy Pelikan]

Well thanks for clearing that up!

Aka, he did something that would get us sued if I disclosed it, so this is what you get.

Same as Michigan State saying "A Title IX investigation is happening in regards to Melvin Tugger and we know nothing more than that".

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

I think this quote from your links sums them up best:

"I’ve always seen the boomers as a generational trust-fund baby: They inherited a country they had no part in building, failed to appreciate it, and seized on all the benefits while leaving nothing behind."

They are definitely the generation that pulled up the ladder on elder gen Xers and millenials.

I especially love the "participation trophy" generation comments by some. Like we were all taking our hard earned lemonade stand money at 6 years old to the trophy store after tee-ball.

 

[Axel Sandy Pelikan]

They are definitely the generation that pulled up the ladder on elder gen Xers and millenials.

I especially love the "participation trophy" generation comments by some. Like we were all taking our hard earned lemonade stand money at 6 years old to the trophy store after tee-ball.

I wouldn't let the blame slip from the late 60s, early 70s Gen Xers either. That's the people who are in Congress right now. That's the people who have their hands on the power button as Boomers leave. That group never matured. They're the same immature children at 50-60 as they were in grade school.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

I wouldn't let the blame slip from the late 60s, early 70s Gen Xers either. That's the people who are in Congress right now. That's the people who have their hands on the power button as Boomers leave. That group never matured. They're the same immature children at 50-60 as they were in grade school.

Here's a quote from (yet another) Boomers are the worst article I dug up today.

Generational patterns repeat over time, as researchers William Strauss and Neil Howe showed. A "civic" generation is followed by an "adaptive" one, then "idealist" and "reactive" generations. The boomers are idealists — same as the generations that led the United States into the Civil War and the Great Depression. Gen Xers are reactive — cynical and pragmatic — and clean up idealists' messes. Millennials, like the Greatest Generation, rebuild institutions.

Happily, Gen Xers, the cleanup crew, could become the plurality in Congress as soon as 2018. The question is whether my generation, working with the millennials, can break the boomers’ gridlock and deal jointly with the many crises boomers left us.

I hesitate to link the whole article because it's highly political in the first few paragraphs. I agree with this sentiment overall though. To draw it back to hockey, you're seeing that old boys network of the Suters, Mike Keenans, Bill Peters, Joel Quennvilles and Mike Babcocks be pushed out the door. But only after they've done damage. The current crop of Gen X coaches that are inheriting these messes and are left to rebuild institutional trust.

 

[dalem177]

It truly boggles the mind that people will dig in their heels against progress and improving conditions whether it's in the workplace or just life in general. What happened to the old "make the world a better place for your kids" adage?

Not everyone agrees on the definition of the word "better", of course. It's not complicated.

 

[Oddbob]

Commodore needs to get a f***ing life.

So much this. Guy can't get over that he sucked with us, so he didn't play. Guess what TB also didn't really play him after he got traded, and exactly no one wanted him the next season. He couldn't play in CBJ's everyday lineup before he got here.

 

[ManwithNoIdentity]

 

[Run the Jewels]

I really feel like Babcock's original public defense is really being overlooked.

He says he was getting to know the players families by having them pull up a picture of their family and having them show it to him.

And then he resigned over it.


So either,
A: He is willing to lose his job that pays millions and have his name be publicly dragged through the mud for literally the most innocent thing that has happened in the history of the world.
B: He flat out lied in his public statement.

Yeah, when I saw his first response I could see the thinking that he's trying to change and get to know his players. But he has a history in Detroit and Toronto and the fact this blew up pretty quickly indicates he was being creepy. The Blue Jackets have a lot of good, young talent, you can't jeopardize that while Mike Babcock tries to figure out how to not be a creepy person players want nothing to do with.

 

[ricky0034]

Babcock is getting exactly what he deserves. I'm sorry some people feel he's being treated unfairly, but if you haven't learned the dynamics of abusing power after these last several years, I don't think you'll get it now. Or you're just fine with abuse of power, I don't know.

Ghouls like Babcock have historically gotten away with ghoulish behavior more often than not. It seems like they're maybe getting away with it less nowadays. That's a good thing, but change is hard, and so I kinda get this "cAnCeL cUlTuRe" vibe people have, but it's really just whining. Whining about people being held accountable and experiencing consequences.

Here's a tip, don't be a POS.

and honestly even regardless of what he deserves or doesn't deserve if the players he's supposed to Coach already want him gone before the season even starts that kinda makes it impossible for him to even be an effective Coach anyways so it's the right move to get rid of him even just from a pure effectiveness standpoint

Babcock was an NHL Coach for two decades with some giant contracts, he'll be fine he doesn't need random people he's never met defending his honor when he's stupid enough to manage to f*** up his rapport with the players he's supposed to be Coaching in his comeback this badly before the season even starts

 

[Frk It]

Defense being he was honestly just trying to connect to his players on a personal level and didnt think it was an abuse of power to look at those pics on their phone?

Like it was mentioned, good chance their more to the story on this one.

If those were his intentions, then it probably would have been received by the players that way, and he’d probably still be their coach.

Something tells me that’s not what it was.

 

[Oddbob]

If those were his intentions, then it probably would have been received by the players that way, and he’d probably still be their coach.

Something tells me that’s not what it was.

Hard to know, Jenner, Gaudreau and Werenski all said they were fine with the dealings with Babcock. There may be more that were fine with it. Me personally I wouldn't like it, unless it was just showing him some innocent family pictures. Not defending Babcock as he still should have been smarter than to ask for something like this, but he is being villified like he is some massive creepy sexual predator monster which I think is way overblown.

 

[norrisnick]

Hard to know, Jenner, Gaudreau and Werenski all said they were fine with the dealings with Babcock. There may be more that were fine with it. Me personally I wouldn't like it, unless it was just showing him some innocent family pictures. Not defending Babcock as he still should have been smarter than to ask for something like this, but he is being villified like he is some massive creepy sexual predator monster which I think is way overblown.

Jarmo was.



That said, it's wild that none of them took a second to ponder how the dynamic of that interaction would change with teenagers or guys on the fringes wholly unsure of their place in the organization. And it's hopefully not sexual, but Babs definitely has a fixation on putting people in uncomfortable situations and asserting dominance. Particularly on those most vulnerable. Sexual or not, that deserves vilification.

 

[Frk It]

Hard to know, Jenner, Gaudreau and Werenski all said they were fine with the dealings with Babcock. There may be more that were fine with it. Me personally I wouldn't like it, unless it was just showing him some innocent family pictures. Not defending Babcock as he still should have been smarter than to ask for something like this, but he is being villified like he is some massive creepy sexual predator monster which I think is way overblown.

Why do you do that unless you’re hoping to find something? Why don’t you have something that stops you and tells you that might be a bad idea?

Hard for me to sympathize for the guy, sorry.