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jaster said:
That seems pretty far-fetched. A league either has systems in place to catch an athlete betting on their own sport or they don't. And in case anyone is unsure, yes, they do have those systems in place, very much so. With sports betting basically becoming legal now, all the major sports leagues, because they partner with these sportsbooks for added revenue, are able to monitor who's betting on what. Players betting on other sports should be a non-issue.

In fact, adding to the confusion in this Pinto case (where it was reported there is no evidence he bet on NHL games), according to this ESPN article from June, players in all four major sports leagues are allowed to bet on games in sports that aren't their own. Is this article wrong? Missing other information? Did Pinto bet on NHL games after all? What's going on here?
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He was involved either directly or indirectly with NHL game betting. Players are allowed to bet on other sports so there would be no suspension of any length if that was the case. Mouser on the business forum said he is heavily rumoured to have been betting via proxy. The assumption is someone either with his permission or doing do without his permission but access to his account was placing bets through an app or whatever that Pinto uses to bet on things. It could be a friend or someone had access to his account, placed bets without Pinto's consent or something along those lines.
 
Vrana healthy scratch despite 3 points in 5 games.

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Oddbob said:
He was involved either directly or indirectly with NHL game betting. Players are allowed to bet on other sports so there would be no suspension of any length if that was the case. Mouser on the business forum said he is heavily rumoured to have been betting via proxy. The assumption is someone either with his permission or doing do without his permission but access to his account was placing bets through an app or whatever that Pinto uses to bet on things. It could be a friend or someone had access to his account, placed bets without Pinto's consent or something along those lines.
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not that I think this is terribly likely for a variety of reasons(he'd probably be appealing for one thing) but how is that worded exactly? if he was betting money on lets say SHL games for example(which some sportsbooks do have) that wouldn't be NHL games but could also technically count as the same sport depending on the wording
 
He could still be betting on NHL events, just not actual games. First goal scorer, a team to make the playoffs, players to win awards, etc... all sorts of prop bets exist.

The wording of this not betting on games, makes me wonder, he had to bet on something NHL to get this level of punishment. More details are needed, but we may never get them.
 
Lazlo Hollyfeld said:
I know the draft is a crapshoot after the first few picks (in a strong year) but holy wow was Cholowski a swing and a miss.

And honestly Hronek was among one of Yzerman's more cutthroat moves. Not that I thought he was a part of the core but he's a decent defenseman who's 25 years old. But I guess Stevie knew to get anywhere the Wings needed more talent so it's worth more picks in a strong draft.
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Gniwder said:
I have no idea what the scouts were watching when they picked Cholo. He's completely afraid of any contact, I bet he just watches the girls on the stage and doesn't get a single lap dance when he goes to nudey bars.

As for Hronek, Stevie hates Czechs. Either that or there was some preliminary contract extension talks that he didn't like, because Stevie supposedly had a mid-season change of heart. It was a good trade for both teams, I'm liking Ghost and the 2D PP.
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The lesson there is don’t draft a player that raw that high. The range of outcomes was always massive with Cholowski.

Especially compared to the defenseman we could have (should have) drafted that year.
 
ricky0034 said:
not that I think this is terribly likely for a variety of reasons(he'd probably be appealing for one thing) but how is that worded exactly? if he was betting money on lets say SHL games for example(which some sportsbooks do have) that wouldn't be NHL games but could also technically count as the same sport depending on the wording
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Haven't read it myself, but others have and they are saying other sports are allowed, just not the NHL.
 
Frk It said:
The lesson there is don’t draft a player that raw that high. The range of outcomes was always massive with Cholowski.

Especially compared to the defenseman we could have (should have) drafted that year.
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One things for sure is the Wings did a poor job drafting defenseman for a long time. If you look at the list of prospects between Kyle Quincey in 2003 and McIsaac in 2018, it ain't pretty.

And even with Quincey they chose Meech and Cheli over him. And we all know how Holland brought him back...
 
JediOrderPizza said:
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Knowing how much (Fabbri) we've been slammed (Vrana) by the injury bug (Bertuzzi) over the last few season, I feel for them and their fans. I'd be lying if I didn't say we should take full advantage of this in the standings, because you never know when it'll be our turn. The boys need to win early and win often.
 
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If you where a pro athlete why would you bet on a game yourself? In all seriousness, if you were to wager on a game why wouldn't you have a third party make the bet for you? I always kinda wondered this kinda like with Pete Rose and stuff now this and whoever else gets in trouble for sports betting.
 
odin1981 said:
If you where a pro athlete why would you bet on a game yourself? In all seriousness, if you were to wager on a game why wouldn't you have a third party make the bet for you? I always kinda wondered this kinda like with Pete Rose and stuff now this and whoever else gets in trouble for sports betting.
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A third party situation is rumoured to be the issue here. I don't know, just going by what others who know more about it than I have said.
 
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Eek, just noticed the Oilers are 1-5-1. They're obviously better than that but I wonder if Holland will be on the hot seat if they don't markedly improve by Thanksgiving.
 
Oddbob said:
He was involved either directly or indirectly with NHL game betting. Players are allowed to bet on other sports so there would be no suspension of any length if that was the case. Mouser on the business forum said he is heavily rumoured to have been betting via proxy. The assumption is someone either with his permission or doing do without his permission but access to his account was placing bets through an app or whatever that Pinto uses to bet on things. It could be a friend or someone had access to his account, placed bets without Pinto's consent or something along those lines.
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That makes sense. Seems like confusion on this topic was generated from the article(s) that claimed he wasn't betting on NHL games in any way. Seems like he was, even if by proxy.
 
Oddbob said:
Man if they do, that is so stupid, yet not unexpected. How he has any NHL job or NHL interest is beyond me.
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He probably just isnt as polarizing in league circles than to fans, but you gotta wonder how much of that is based on the NHL being an old boys club, rather than any mirage of the collection of front offices in this league being a pure meritocracy.
 
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