Around the League Thread | Post Purge

[valkynax]

Knock knock.

Who's there?

 

[LemonSauceD]

Who's there?

Little boy blue.

 

[valkynax]

Little boy blue.

Little boy blue who?

 

[LemonSauceD]

Little boy blue who?

Micheal Jackson.

 

[Nazzlind]

The Blues resurgence coincides with them trading for Fowler. Imagine where this team would be right now if management had attempted to fix the defence before the season was a write off, instead of trotting out Juulsen and Desharnais to lose games night after night.

How do you know they didn’t attempt too? By all accounts, they did try but teams were asking for our top prospects like willander

 

[quat]

Holloway was absolutely beast mode in the last 15-20 or so games.

STL basically got a top line player for 3rd round pick and 2.29mil

The fact the Oilers couldn't see what was a strength with some speed and penalty killing and let it all go for aged vets who loooong ago scored at a decent rate, is shameful. If they had simply stuck with their guys, they'd be a threat this season. Instead, they're first or second round fodder.

 

[valkynax]

Micheal Jackson.

That's just...wrong.

 

[Bourne Endeavor]

yes it's truly insane.

Actually had Oiler fans arguing with me about this in the summer when i said i couldn't believe how they would be willing to lose so much play driving and speed and a developing top4 Dman and then i thought Skinner and Arvidsson would at least score 40-50pts a piece.

It's been an absolute disaster. Nothing like refusing to trade your 1st round picks to get rid of crippling contracts and get useful players to try and win then developing them get them right to the point where they are going to help huge and then lose them for a couple much worse picks

They have actually sabotaged 2 of the best players of a generation from winning. its actually kinda sad

Yeah. In fairness to the Oilers, I never thought Skinner and Arvidsson would be this bad. Even Henrique is having unusually dismal season. At least from a productive standpoint. No idea if he's contributing elsewhere but I somehow doubt it.

It really does highlight how incredible the dynasty runs were for Crosby, Kane and Toews. McDavid and Draisaitl are looking and more like they'll go the Ovie route of a single cup win eventually. And with how poorly the Oilers have been run, even that's up for debate.

I think McDavid stays, but you have to imagine he's giving it some serious thought. Especially if they get bounced early.

 

[strattonius]

I hadn't ventured in to Edmonton's around the league thread in quite some time. Simply because we have had such a horrible season and terrible luck this year it's hard to endure the chest thumping and whatever else you can think of. But I went to the last page tonight against my better judgement. Literally the first post is pointing out how lucky the Canucks were against the Islanders. And that was just it for me, I stopped right there. Imagine calling the Canucks lucky this year? I cannot wait for that inept, donkey organization and their loudmouth fanbase to get punted in the first round to the Kings this year.

 

[David71]

The Blues resurgence coincides with them trading for Fowler. Imagine where this team would be right now if management had attempted to fix the defence before the season was a write off, instead of trotting out Juulsen and Desharnais to lose games night after night.

indeed. should have targed or at least traded for marcus petterson earlier.

 

[Nick Lang]

Little boy blue

He needed the money





... Dice Clay [reference]

 

[wetcoast]

Well, at least the Flames (and UHC) lost and the Oilers are getting shitkicked. Not the best night OOT, but could be worse.

We aren't going to catch the blues at this point getting a better draft position is more desirable but also unlikely.

I've seen this movie before as a mid 50s lifelong Canucks fan.

 

[wetcoast]

Yeah. In fairness to the Oilers, I never thought Skinner and Arvidsson would be this bad. Even Henrique is having unusually dismal season. At least from a productive standpoint. No idea if he's contributing elsewhere but I somehow doubt it.

It really does highlight how incredible the dynasty runs were for Crosby, Kane and Toews. McDavid and Draisaitl are looking and more like they'll go the Ovie route of a single cup win eventually. And with how poorly the Oilers have been run, even that's up for debate.

I think McDavid stays, but you have to imagine he's giving it some serious thought. Especially if they get bounced early.

Every team has problems of letting players go that go on to bigger things in other organizations, Forsling and OEL come to mind recently for us.

It's fun to have a laugh at it but we should focus on our management improving our team and they signed a bunch of wingers for the most part in the of season and didn't address concerns on the back end or depth at center enough.

The back end has been shored up somewhat, although we still rely way too much on Quinn but the center problem is a huge issue.

Also it's not just bad luck with Chytil, he had a history of injury concerns and was at best a lower level 2C in the NHL during his recent audition anyways.

 

[ManVanFan]

 

[ManVanFan]

Dang, let the exit from the CHL begin.

Misa to BU and Lindstrom to Michigan State.

Definitely pro's and con's for staying or going.

 

[supercanuck]

Dang, let the exit from the CHL begin.

Misa to BU and Lindstrom to Michigan State.

Definitely pro's and con's for staying or going.

Seems like such a no brainer to go NCAA route from my (a parent) POV. Get that higher education going while still playing high level hockey before turning pro.

 

[StreetHawk]

Dang, let the exit from the CHL begin.

Misa to BU and Lindstrom to Michigan State.

Definitely pro's and con's for staying or going.

I can understand it from the kids. They move from the chl where they would be part of the older half of the league to easily the young half in the ncaa so that they can continue to challenge themselves.

 

[ManVanFan]

Seems like such a no brainer to go NCAA route from my (a parent) POV. Get that higher education going while still playing high level hockey before turning pro.

While the NCAA has a much larger following and players will now get paid. Some have said for the best recruits upwards of 100k per year. NCAA only plays 40 games a year max for most. CHL you can get up to 80 or 90.

I do wonder what it does for the CHL to lose their best players every year. It honestly happens anyways, the best CHLer's usually make the NHL.

 

[Breakers]

Sami Salo's son is playing in this NCAA game Im watching

LOL

 

[StreetHawk]

While the NCAA has a much larger following and players will now get paid. Some have said for the best recruits upwards of 100k per year. NCAA only plays 40 games a year max for most. CHL you can get up to 80 or 90.

I do wonder what it does for the CHL to lose their best players every year. It honestly happens anyways, the best CHLer's usually make the NHL.

My initial thought was that the chl would ultimately become a younger league, losing most of the players going into their draft +2 year. Basically age of a SO in college. We e seen a good number of kids score 100 points in that season and thus the challenge isn’t as great given they are among the oldest kids in the chl. Going to the ncaa puts them against older guys in the 20-23 age range, which is then a challenge for them.
I have been in the camp that the chl has too many games when you factor in the PO as well. Even if your team wins the frozen 4, max games is like 45 or something.
Need to balance out between games and practice at their ages.

 

[ManVanFan]

My initial thought was that the chl would ultimately become a younger league, losing most of the players going into their draft +2 year. Basically age of a SO in college. We e seen a good number of kids score 100 points in that season and thus the challenge isn’t as great given they are among the oldest kids in the chl. Going to the ncaa puts them against older guys in the 20-23 age range, which is then a challenge for them.
I have been in the camp that the chl has too many games when you factor in the PO as well. Even if your team wins the frozen 4, max games is like 45 or something.
Need to balance out between games and practice at their ages.

I believe the CHL still produces the most NHLers. For the best players it's a very small bridge to the next levels to go from CHL to NCAA. Players that come out of the NCAA don't seem to be more prepared than the same level of talent coming out of the CHL.

I'm rather curious on how it turns out over the next couple of years. If there is a mass exodus out of the CHL, obviously the NCAA talent level is going to level up more but if it's 2 or 5 CHL players. I don't think it changes much.

 

[MS]

My initial thought was that the chl would ultimately become a younger league, losing most of the players going into their draft +2 year. Basically age of a SO in college. We e seen a good number of kids score 100 points in that season and thus the challenge isn’t as great given they are among the oldest kids in the chl. Going to the ncaa puts them against older guys in the 20-23 age range, which is then a challenge for them.
I have been in the camp that the chl has too many games when you factor in the PO as well. Even if your team wins the frozen 4, max games is like 45 or something.
Need to balance out between games and practice at their ages.

Very, very few players are going to go NCAA in their draft+2.

It means that they have to delay signing an ELC (something that agents/players have really been pushing forward in the past few years), that they don't get the signing bonus from that ELC, that they miss out on rookie/prospect camps and NHL preseason games and AHL late-season games. And can't make an NHL roster.

Lindstrom is a weird case because of his injury. Misa I suspect whoever drafts him will push back against going the NCAA route because they'll want their top-3 pick in the draft at camp working with their coaches.

 

[ManVanFan]

Very, very few players are going to go NCAA in their draft+2.

It means that they have to delay signing an ELC (something that agents/players have really been pushing forward in the past few years), that they don't get the signing bonus from that ELC, that they miss out on rookie/prospect camps and NHL preseason games and AHL late-season games. And can't make an NHL roster.

Lindstrom is a weird case because of his injury. Misa I suspect whoever drafts him will push back against going the NCAA route because they'll want their top-3 pick in the draft at camp working with their coaches.

I've seen quite a few of the undrafted 20 year old CHL players going to college. That makes sense for them, continue playing at a higher level and continue their education as well. That doesn't hurt the CHL though as those players would have timed out.

Some of these kids are playing 25 minutes a night in the CHL. NCAA forwards are playing 20 a night.

Now that players can go from the CHL to the NCAA. You've got wonder how many American or Europeans now come up to the CHL over the USHL. Play two years and then off to the NCAA. It probably hurts tier 2 jr in Canada the most.

 

[Hansen]

I've seen quite a few of the undrafted 20 year old CHL players going to college. That makes sense for them, continue playing at a higher level and continue their education as well. That doesn't hurt the CHL though as those players would have timed out.

Some of these kids are playing 25 minutes a night in the CHL. NCAA forwards are playing 20 a night.

Now that players can go from the CHL to the NCAA. You've got wonder how many American or Europeans now come up to the CHL over the USHL. Play two years and then off to the NCAA. It probably hurts tier 2 jr in Canada the most.

These players aren't real prospects though, it's great for the average joe major junior player because they get to maximize the benefits of their career.

 

[MS]

I've seen quite a few of the undrafted 20 year old CHL players going to college. That makes sense for them, continue playing at a higher level and continue their education as well. That doesn't hurt the CHL though as those players would have timed out.

Some of these kids are playing 25 minutes a night in the CHL. NCAA forwards are playing 20 a night.

Now that players can go from the CHL to the NCAA. You've got wonder how many American or Europeans now come up to the CHL over the USHL. Play two years and then off to the NCAA. It probably hurts tier 2 jr in Canada the most.

90% of the 24-25 CHL overage players have taken NCAA scholarships for next year. This bit is great for the CHL as those players are only leaving after their CHL eligibility has expired, and the ability to go NCAA after the CHL is a huge draw for the CHL.

The CHL has pulled dozens of players mid-season this year out of Tier II/USHL and that bit has been great for them, too.

They might lose the odd marquee high-drafted player but overall this has been a boon for the CHL.

Again, I expect very few players to leave. A guy like Sawyer Mynio was able to sign an ELC right after being drafted, has been to multiple prospect tourneys and NHL preseasons, played AHL games, set himself up to go the the WJCs ... and none of that would have happened if he would have jumped to the NCAA. Very few guys are going to do this.