Around the League Thread part V

[johnjm22]

Vegas ties it with 40 seconds left.

 

[LAKings88]

30 seconds away Canucks. f*** off.

 

[kingsfan]

FU Vancouver

 

[johnjm22]

Vegas is going to win. They've been dominating.

 

[Ryan120420]

Canucks win in OT.

 

[Little Psycho]

f***ing Canucks. So close.

 

[WHOneedsSOX]

Hughes just threw Eichel lol

 

[kingsboy11]

jesus christ the nucks trying to give me a heart attack

 

[kingsfan]

Vegas is going to win. They've been dominating.

You should have been right, I'm glad you were wrong

 

[WHOneedsSOX]

Vancouver only 3 points behind Vegas surprisingly.

 

[Sleeping Dog]

Canucks win in OT.

Thank you Canuckleheads

 

[Herby]

Please elaborate what you consider "development choices" ? How do the injuries [ remember those ] factor into this? Are you even counting them or are you just skipping that part and focusing on why they aren't playing 15 min a night and scoring 40 points . Injuries have hurt them, injuries have not factored in with the other prospects you mentioned. You still have yet to explain what you considered "good to great development". Every team has a different way to approach it, there is no exact way.

Now let's hop in the time machine and say they drafted Zegras...where does he play... 3rd or 4th line, not the 2nd line like he is right now, getting top minutes, that's Danaults spot. Byfield [injured, remember that] and Valardi had the 3rd spot to start the year, so that only leaves the 4th, which is taken by Lizzotte. See where I'm going with this? If you think he'd step right in like he did with the Ducks and do the same thing here , you're mistaken. The same options aren't there, like they were Anaheim.

Last time I answered the question about development choices with NCAA players you gave me a weird response that didn’t address the topic and instead made it seem like I was just an NCAA homer. But here goes

The development choice with Turcotte was horrific. Do you follow the rest of the league and how other teams handle their high end college players. Look at all the drafted guys signing, what do most of them have in common. Almost all of the best NCAA players for the last decade have taken a similar path of two-years in college and then jump to the pros. There were some like Eichel and Larkin who were just to good and had nothing to gain but for the vast majority the two years worked. With what has happened with this development since that decision isn’t it fair to question it and be critical of it.

As far as the second point, I will say my guess is had Vilardi or Turcotte looked like future impact centers in 2020-2021 that the Kings would not have signed Danault. Vilardi was gifted a second line spot last year, my guess is had the Kings drafted Zegras in your hypothetical scenario that he would have outplayed Vilardi because he’s a much better player than Vilardi and would have established himself as the Kings 2c last year, something Gabe wasn’t able to do.

 

[BringTheReign]

The development choice with Turcotte was horrific. Do you follow the rest of the league and how other teams handle their high end college players. Look at all the drafted guys signing, what do most of them have in common. Almost all of the best NCAA players for the last decade have taken a similar path of two-years in college and then jump to the pros. There were some like Eichel and Larkin who were just to good and had nothing to gain but for the vast majority the two years worked. With what has happened with this development since that decision isn’t it fair to question it and be critical of it.

I'll partially disagree with this take just because of the unknown ramifications of COVID19 on Turcotte's potential sophomore season. The Badgers as a whole had a dismal year in his freshman year, and I believe they had him turn pro because they knew the Reign would for sure be playing a season and that at worse he'd be on pro ice around their development staff.

In hindsight, yes, Wisconsin had a much better year and I believe that would have benefited Turcotte. However, I do see the logic in having him come out a year early given world events at that point.

 

[Statto]

Oilers were terrible last night, far worse than we were on Sunday. Draisaitl looked like he thought the season was already over and McDavid did a few pretty things but lacked any real drive. Kiprisov comfortably outplayed both. Given what a big game it was for the Oilers the lack of heart was shocking. They only showed any interest when the finally got some pp time when the game was over as a contest, I guess they just wanted their points.

Also, I wasn’t totally convinced by the game management thing (although I was leaning that way) but I am now. There were some ludicrous call that the Oilers got, when MN didn’t get a pp for near identical infractions. It wasn’t even subtle.

I was really looking forward to seeing a generational top 10 player. Give me a break! It was genuinely the most disappointed I’ve ever been at a hockey game.

 

[kilowatt]

Vegas' next two games are against Calgary and Edmonton. Two losses from them would go a really long way towards LA making the playoffs. At this point, I don't care what Edmonton does as long as the beat Vegas. Would much rather play Edmonton than Vegas in the first round (assuming we make the playoffs at all).

 

[Herby]

I'll partially disagree with this take just because of the unknown ramifications of COVID19 on Turcotte's potential sophomore season. The Badgers as a whole had a dismal year in his freshman year, and I believe they had him turn pro because they knew the Reign would for sure be playing a season and that at worse he'd be on pro ice around their development staff.

In hindsight, yes, Wisconsin had a much better year and I believe that would have benefited Turcotte. However, I do see the logic in having him come out a year early given world events at that point.

I don’t buy the Covid excuse.

Covid effected everyone, not just the Kings. The only college player to be pulled from that draft after one season was Zegras and he played the majority of the year in the NHL.

The Kings just want players in the AHL as quickly as possible. And it hasn’t been a great thing for our forwards.

 

[YP44]

Vegas' next two games are against Calgary and Edmonton. Two losses from them would go a really long way towards LA making the playoffs. At this point, I don't care what Edmonton does as long as the beat Vegas. Would much rather play Edmonton than Vegas in the first round (assuming we make the playoffs at all).

I think all teams would want vegas out. They could be scary if they can activate all their guys in the playoffs.
I hope Dallas loses down the stretch (hell of a win last night for them), and that we see Vegas vs Colorado first round. Just for my own entertainment.

 

[Statto]

I don’t buy the Covid excuse.

Covid effected everyone, not just the Kings. The only college player to be pulled from that draft after one season was Zegras and he played the majority of the year in the NHL.

The Kings just want players in the AHL as quickly as possible. And it hasn’t been a great thing for our forwards.

COVID isn’t so much and excuse but it certainly clouded some of the thought process and the year the Badgers had was terrible. There was a lot of discussion being had about poor coaching and questionable deployment of players and there was a lot of talk IIRC of Caulfield floating whist Turcotte did a lot of the heavy lifting. There was a sizeable view that it was not a good development situation for Turcotte. I didn’t see anything but highlights so cannot say if that was a fair reflection of that particular season and with hindsight he clearly should have stayed in college.

I think his inability to stay on the ice has been his single biggest issue, not where he has played. He’s not been able to stay on the ice since before his draft year and every time he gets into any sort of rhythm he gets hurt. Is it his style, lack of conditioning or just bad luck? We will know in time but he’s still young enough to come good. Will he be 5th overall good? possibly not but I think he could still end up being worthy of a 1st round selection and with his intangibles he’d still then be a significant piece. Unfortunately it could easily go the other way.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

 

[kingsfan28]

Oilers were terrible last night, far worse than we were on Sunday. Draisaitl looked like he thought the season was already over and McDavid did a few pretty things but lacked any real drive. Kiprisov comfortably outplayed both. Given what a big game it was for the Oilers the lack of heart was shocking. They only showed any interest when the finally got some pp time when the game was over as a contest, I guess they just wanted their points.

Also, I wasn’t totally convinced by the game management thing (although I was leaning that way) but I am now. There were some ludicrous call that the Oilers got, when MN didn’t get a pp for near identical infractions. It wasn’t even subtle.

I was really looking forward to seeing a generational top 10 player. Give me a break! It was genuinely the most disappointed I’ve ever been at a hockey game.

The Oilers are getting ripped apart for not helping out Kane in the end when he went into full a-hole mode. 5 Wild players went right after him and not a single Oiler jumped in to help. What a sorry lot they are.

 

[Bandit]

The Oilers are getting ripped apart for not helping out Kane in the end when he went into full a-hole mode. 5 Wild players went right after him and not a single Oiler jumped in to help. What a sorry lot they are.

Yeah that’s weird. Kane is so well liked everywhere he goes too. Hard to imagine why nobody would stick up for him.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Yeah that’s weird. Kane is so well liked everywhere he goes too. Hard to imagine why nobody would stick up for him.

Sadly the Oilers are the latest fanbase to fall for the "he's actually a good guy just misunderstood, i'ts obviously someone else's fault on every stop he's made" trick.

 

[Steve Zissou]

 

[Eagle Fang]

The Oilers are getting ripped apart for not helping out Kane in the end when he went into full a-hole mode. 5 Wild players went right after him and not a single Oiler jumped in to help. What a sorry lot they are.

Pretty sure they did come into help him. He was helping Yamamoto so that'd be pretty sad if they didn't.

 

[BringTheReign]

Avalanche sign Ben Meyers. The rich get richer (though their center depth chart isn't exactly rosy once Kadri walks in the offseason, so I guess it makes sense).