Around the League Thread part V

[Bandit]

Zegras Michigan goal was in the first period, Terry got his face smashed in in the 3rd. The two are not related to me.
I think Beaglewas frustrated and lost his shit, and I agree with Zegras here. Bieksa had a good take on it during HNIC, talking about how Beagle needs to recognize who he is fighting there and let up.

People going after Nash I do not think is completely fair either, as he said what he said in the heat of the moment. No way of knowing how far Beagle was taking it. More heat should be on Beagle here iMO

Why? Someone comes swinging at me, f*** him. Don't start a fight you can't finish.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Zegras Michigan goal was in the first period, Terry got his face smashed in in the 3rd. The two are not related to me.
I think Beaglewas frustrated and lost his shit, and I agree with Zegras here. Bieksa had a good take on it during HNIC, talking about how Beagle needs to recognize who he is fighting there and let up.

People going after Nash I do not think is completely fair either, as he said what he said in the heat of the moment. No way of knowing how far Beagle was taking it. More heat should be on Beagle here iMO

Beagle isn't a fighter either! Why is everyone playing him up to be some experienced pugilist? He's had FOUR fights in his career including Terry, why is the onus on him to stop when a dude sprinted 20 feet to throw a haymaker?

I'm sorry this whole incident is only getting played up because the NHL's golden boy was being a whiny bitch about it. If this was literally anyone else, it's a routine scrum and that's it.

 

[BringTheReign]

The "this new generation" comments wrapped up in all of this are laughable. The transition to a league with less fighting happened in the '05-'06 lockout. The skill level and speed of players is no doubt increasing, but the number of new players who can versus cannot fight and defend themselves has been constant for a lot longer than just the past few years. Jeannot, the Tkachuks, hell even Durzi on our team or MacKinnon throwing down recently are proof of that. It's a rule enforcement choice and learning the consequences of head injuries/TBIs on pro athletes that has driven this change for 15+ years now. There's nothing stopping a player who can fight well from also being a highly skilled NHL player; it's just that given the current rules they are a detriment to their team more often than not.

As for the actual incident, pretty much everyone is at fault in one way or another. Terry came in way too hot, and Beagle looks like a clown beating up a guy who can't fight and never even dropped his gloves. There's no chance Beagle tries that if Deslauries were still with the Ducks, and that's all you need to know to judge how many punches he threw even after it was clear Terry wasn't in a position to defend himself. Zegras' comments reminded me of how Sid would complain to the refs earlier on in his career, and he'll grow out of it too.

 

[Kudelski37]

Beagle had one NHL fight before this. Preseason and minors doesn't count. He got knocked out on the second punch. If anyone knows how Terry feels, it is Beagle. Terry should learn the lesson Beagle learned. Don't fight.

 

[Gjwrams]

I'd love for Terry to come out and say "I f*** up! I picked a fit with a bigger dog and lost! Let's move on!" Similar to when Carter got dropped by Kesler. Carter owned it!

 

[YP44]

I didn't see him as picking a fight, he didn't even have his gloves off.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Not sure why Zegras is getting crapped on for coming in defense of a teammate. That's what a teammate does when one of his own takes a beating like that. Of course he's going to be heated up after a game and is going to tee off since they couldn't do anything physically to get back at Beagle.

And Tyson Nash always has and always will be a clown. The off-brand version of Matthew Barnaby was a joke as a player.

 

[Fishhead]

I didn't see him as picking a fight, he didn't even have his gloves off.

I dunno, looking at the replay it looked like he skated over and tried to forearm/elbow Beagle in the head without even squaring up. Unless there's an angle I haven't seen, there isn't a better way to start a fight than that.

 

[YP44]

I dunno, looking at the replay it looked like he skated over and tried to forearm/elbow Beagle in the head without even squaring up. Unless there's an angle I haven't seen, there isn't a better way to start a fight than that.

I don't see Terry throwing a forearm or elbow at all. They come together with arms up.

The puck was lose under the goalie, Duck player behind the net (Milano I think) had a fair poke at it. Whistle goes. Duck player in front take a late poke. Beagle cross checks that duck for doing so. I am perfectly fine with this.
To me this is where Terry comes in to push Beagle back, his arms are high but I cannot tell if they are deflected high or what. Beagle then just starts dumbing him before he even drops his gloves. This is not like two guys squared off.
It's crazy how differently the same thing can be seen. I think think the last poke was late, and that player got cross checked for it. That was all good. This stuff after that was where it crossed the line for me.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

I don't see Terry throwing a forearm or elbow at all. They come together with arms up.

The puck was lose under the goalie, Duck player behind the net (Milano I think) had a fair poke at it. Whistle goes. Duck player in front take a late poke. Beagle cross checks that duck for doing so. I am perfectly fine with this.
To me this is where Terry comes in to push Beagle back, his arms are high but I cannot tell if they are deflected high or what. Beagle then just starts dumbing him before he even drops his gloves. This is not like two guys squared off.
It's crazy how differently the same thing can be seen. I think think the last poke was late, and that player got cross checked for it. That was all good. This stuff after that was where it crossed the line for me.

How can people keep saying this?

Look at :05. Terry skates all the way from outside the hashmark to engage Beagle--who at that point already had pushed off Fowler(?)--and throws a huge punch that misses/gets deflected. You have to TRY to not see that arm swing by. I'm sorry I get having different interpretations of events but it's not a phantom swing, that's a haymaker. A haymaker from a total p***y, but a punch nonetheless, after covering a ton of ice to get involved with someone who is already engaged.



Beyond that, I'm sorry, but as a hockey player, if you skate 25 feet to engage me and throw a blow, gloves or not, I'm taking that as a fighting gesture. This isn't Deslauriers wailing on Lizotte or something, it's a 'fair' fight between two non-fighters STARTED BY TERRY. You don't let up until your opponent goes down or you could be the one eating it.

Edit: I didn't even notice this before but after Beagle drops terry at about 23 ZEGRAS' DUMB ASS TRIES TO GRAB BEAGLE AGAIN. Is anyoen on the Ducks going to give these guys a lecture about fight etiquette and the code? What kind of stupid bullshit are they doing where they don't expect to get popped and they go whining to the media? My god, I've never seen such dumbass behavior, even from Peewees. I just fought a guy who charged me and your'e going to grab me barehanded from behind? Trevor's lucky he didn't get his teeth knocked out too!

I absolutely hate the Yotes and like the Ducks more than most here but this incident is infuriating.

 

[TwzKing]

How can people keep saying this?

Look at :05. Terry skates all the way from outside the hashmark to engage Beagle--who at that point already had pushed off Fowler(?)--and throws a huge punch that misses/gets deflected. You have to TRY to not see that arm swing by. I'm sorry I get having different interpretations of events but it's not a phantom swing, that's a haymaker. A haymaker from a total p***y, but a punch nonetheless, after covering a ton of ice to get involved with someone who is already engaged.



Beyond that, I'm sorry, but as a hockey player, if you skate 25 feet to engage me and throw a blow, gloves or not, I'm taking that as a fighting gesture. This isn't Deslauriers wailing on Lizotte or something, it's a 'fair' fight between two non-fighters STARTED BY TERRY. You don't let up until your opponent goes down or you could be the one eating it.

he absolutely threw a right haymaker with his glove hand first, which gave him an all you can eat ticket lol

 

[Jason Squirties]

he absolutely threw a right haymaker with his glove hand first, which gave him an all you can eat ticket lol

He had his eye set on flavortown.

 

[theMajor]

he absolutely threw a right haymaker with his glove hand first, which gave him an all you can eat ticket lol

a f***ing HAYMAKER!? lol, are we watching the same thing??? Beagle is a chump for crosschecking Zegras while he was already down. Terry takes two little strides to defend his teammate and seems to shove (both hands look like theyre on his stick, I dont see a free-arm haymaker like you guys do) and then Beagle loses his shit. I understand the Coyotes got smoked but I also understand Terry "sticking up" (if you can call it that) for his teammate. in no way does this not look bad on Beagle. Terry's gloves were on the entire time and looked to shove more than punch, IMO

 

[King'sPawn]

a f***ing HAYMAKER!? lol, are we watching the same thing??? Beagle is a chump for crosschecking Zegras while he was already down. Terry takes two little strides to defend his teammate and seems to shove (both hands look like theyre on his stick, I dont see a free-arm haymaker like you guys do) and then Beagle loses his shit. I understand the Coyotes got smoked but I also understand Terry "sticking up" (if you can call it that) for his teammate. in no way does this not look bad on Beagle. Terry's gloves were on the entire time and looked to shove more than punch, IMO

No problem with Terry sticking up for Zegras.

But don't complain to the media when the fists start coming at you though.

 

[Herby]

Not sure why Zegras is getting crapped on for coming in defense of a teammate. That's what a teammate does when one of his own takes a beating like that. Of course he's going to be heated up after a game and is going to tee off since they couldn't do anything physically to get back at Beagle.

And Tyson Nash always has and always will be a clown. The off-brand version of Matthew Barnaby was a joke as a player.

Say what you want about Terry and whether he was in the right or the wrong (it's debatable) but this seems to a lot about people who just don't like Zegras and specifically the style he plays. If players don't like him trying the Michigan move then don't let him set-up shop behind the net alone, it's not showboating, he is trying to score goals to help his team win. Others have tried it before him and plenty will after him, let's not criticize him because he is able to do it better than anyone else. Tkachuk tried one against the Kings on Thursday, no problem with it, he took advantage of what the Kings defense gave him, I don't think he was showing up the Kings.

I think many people here would not have liked the slam dunk, home-run and slap shot when they first became significant parts of the games. Do you guys who hate it think the league should ban it like Torts does?

Also not sure why some don't think his game will translate to the playoffs whenever the Ducks get back. Heard the same things on this forum about Kane and Kucherov and they have multiple Stanley Cups, heard it about Caufield last year and he scored a bunch of huge goals for the Habs. I'm not saying the game doesn't get a bit tighter in the playoffs but it's not nearly as much as people think, I'm sure when he gets to play on that stage he will be fine and his skill will shine through.

 

[Bandit]

a f***ing HAYMAKER!? lol, are we watching the same thing??? Beagle is a chump for crosschecking Zegras while he was already down.

Absolutely not, because that did not happen at any point.

 

[Choralone]

Yeah, well I heard Terry made fun of some Kings fans' tweets from October that said MacLellan should be fired.

 

[lumbergh]

Say what you want about Terry and whether he was in the right or the wrong (it's debatable) but this seems to a lot about people who just don't like Zegras and specifically the style he plays. If players don't like him trying the Michigan move then don't let him set-up shop behind the net alone, it's not showboating, he is trying to score goals to help his team win. Others have tried it before him and plenty will after him, let's not criticize him because he is able to do it better than anyone else. Tkachuk tried one against the Kings on Thursday, no problem with it, he took advantage of what the Kings defense gave him, I don't think he was showing up the Kings.

I think many people here would not have liked the slam dunk, home-run and slap shot when they first became significant parts of the games. Do you guys who hate it think the league should ban it like Torts does?

Also not sure why some don't think his game will translate to the playoffs whenever the Ducks get back. Heard the same things on this forum about Kane and Kucherov and they have multiple Stanley Cups, heard it about Caufield last year and he scored a bunch of huge goals for the Habs. I'm not saying the game doesn't get a bit tighter in the playoffs but it's not nearly as much as people think, I'm sure when he gets to play on that stage he will be fine and his skill will shine through.

I like Zegras, no problem with the Michigan. My problem is his whining to a reporter asking for a suspension. Settle it on the ice. Nothing dirty about what Beagle did. Maybe a little over the top, but Beagle is not a goon. Zegras can shut his mouth and make Beagle regret it, ON THE ICE.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Say what you want about Terry and whether he was in the right or the wrong (it's debatable) but this seems to a lot about people who just don't like Zegras and specifically the style he plays. If players don't like him trying the Michigan move then don't let him set-up shop behind the net alone, it's not showboating, he is trying to score goals to help his team win. Others have tried it before him and plenty will after him, let's not criticize him because he is able to do it better than anyone else. Tkachuk tried one against the Kings on Thursday, no problem with it, he took advantage of what the Kings defense gave him, I don't think he was showing up the Kings.

I think many people here would not have liked the slam dunk, home-run and slap shot when they first became significant parts of the games. Do you guys who hate it think the league should ban it like Torts does?

Also not sure why some don't think his game will translate to the playoffs whenever the Ducks get back. Heard the same things on this forum about Kane and Kucherov and they have multiple Stanley Cups, heard it about Caufield last year and he scored a bunch of huge goals for the Habs. I'm not saying the game doesn't get a bit tighter in the playoffs but it's not nearly as much as people think, I'm sure when he gets to play on that stage he will be fine and his skill will shine through.

This has nothing to do with the skill portion of his game and everything to do with the poking the goalie after a whistle in a blowout, faking his own death when hit with a pillowsoft crosscheck, watching his teammate get killed, getting his bare hands on the culprit AFTER the fight was broken up and acting surprised Pikachu that he was still mad, then crying to the media for a suspension when he started all the ruckus by being a douche. But I guess I'd be upset if I got my teammate's face broken, too.

 

[TwzKing]

both hands look like theyre on his stick, I dont see a free-arm haymaker like you guys do

 

[Steve Zissou]

 

[kingsfan28]

This has nothing to do with the skill portion of his game and everything to do with the poking the goalie after a whistle in a blowout, faking his own death when hit with a pillowsoft crosscheck, watching his teammate get killed, getting his bare hands on the culprit AFTER the fight was broken up and acting surprised Pikachu that he was still mad, then crying to the media for a suspension when he started all the ruckus by being a douche. But I guess I'd be upset if I got my teammate's face broken, too.

That won't be the last time he's knocked down for doing something stupid after the whistle.

 

[tny760]

massive hit

hate to see a guy faceplant like that, but man you gotta see that coming too

skated away from the post goal hit like a gangster too

 

[Herby]

47 goals in the last 47 games for Matthews, 253 goals at age 24, just incredible. Well on his way to being the best American born player of all time.

 

[Bandit]

Commentary on that is embarrassing. Marchand is a douche and a punk but he didn’t leave his feet. He also looked like he was expecting to drop the gloves and nobody challenged him.