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Have to admit, I did not see Erik Kallgren winning his first two NHL starts, including a SO in his first one. Started the season as the No.6 goalie on the depth chart, was fairly mediocre in the AHL. Watched both games and he's a rebound machine. You would think he's going to get figured out soon enough.

For now, Leafs Nation can take a breath, but be careful, the second coming of Johnny Bower might quickly turn into Jiri Crha.
 
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Have to admit, I did not see Erik Kallgren winning his first two NHL starts, including a SO in his first one. Started the season as the No.6 goalie on the depth chart, was fairly mediocre in the AHL. Watched both games and he's a rebound machine. You would think he's going to get figured out soon enough.

For now, Leafs Nation can take a breath, but be careful, the second coming of Johnny Bower might quickly turn into Jiri Crha.
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I mean, it's the prior-to-this-season Calgary method

Hooray we found a savior!

30 games later

We regret to inform you your savior was in fact a number 6 goalie just like you thought
 
I don't hate this deal for Tampa but don't really love it either. They have a window to have a legit dynasty where they could win potentially 5 total cups depending on how some of their players age so I don't hate unloading a couple of late 1st rounders for a cost controlled guy having a breakout year at 23. But I feel like this could also be a deal that flops for them, he won't get the same type of role he has had in Chicago in Tampa and his shooting% is sure to regress a bit.

Lets remember though, if the Kings were to trade for JC tomorrow and say sent two 1st rounders, Vilardi and Turcotte it would be a long haul type of deal for the Kings. It might not be worth it to enter the rental market right now, but I don't see the price for JC going down much this summer so if the Kings truly want him it makes sense to just do it now and see if maybe you can catch lightning in a bottle and have a Montreal type run rather than wait for the summer.
 
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Is Hagel that good for what TB gave up for him? Maybe it's because i don't pay attention to Chicago the last few years since they suck. Just seems like a ton to give up for someone. Or maybe it's a strategic thing for TB in paying to get someone productive that comes with a low cap number to help them out the next couple years.
 
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Bolts traded drafts picks for the extra cap space in a forward that should continue to grow as a player and only contribute to his team's success while expanding their window.
 
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Schrute farms beets said:
Is Hagel that good for what TB gave up for him? Maybe it's because i don't pay attention to Chicago the last few years since they suck. Just seems like a ton to give up for someone. Or maybe it's a strategic thing for TB in paying to get someone productive that comes with a low cap number to help them out the next couple years.
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They acquired a guy on pace for 30 goals who is going to be paid $1.5m for the next two years after this one. This had a lot to do with future cap flexibility. They essentially have a guy who could play 2nd line for them in his 24-25 age season and is making barely more than an ELC. But it did cost them some draft capital for sure.
 
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I don't hate this deal for Tampa but don't really love it either. They have a window to have a legit dynasty where they could win potentially 5 total cups depending on how some of their players age so I don't hate unloading a couple of late 1st rounders for a cost controlled guy having a breakout year at 23. But I feel like this could also be a deal that flops for them, he won't get the same type of role he has had in Chicago in Tampa and his shooting% is sure to regress a bit.

Lets remember though, if the Kings were to trade for JC tomorrow and say sent two 1st rounders, Vilardi and Turcotte it would be a long haul type of deal for the Kings. It might not be worth it to enter the rental market right now, but I don't see the price for JC going down much this summer so if the Kings truly want him it makes sense to just do it now and see if maybe you can catch lightning in a bottle and have a Montreal type run rather than wait for the summer.
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But if you're trading a package like that, it should be for a guy on a rights controlled contract, or a long term contract. JC is a UFA in 3 more seasons.
 
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They acquired a guy on pace for 30 goals who is going to be paid $1.5m for the next two years after this one. This had a lot to do with future cap flexibility. They essentially have a guy who could play 2nd line for them in his 24-25 age season and is making barely more than an ELC. But it did cost them some draft capital for sure.
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100%, this gave them room to make more moves to find the cap to sign Sergachev, and they can push Hagel off for 2 years after this before they make a decision on him, and by that time, that window might be closing...ish.... it's a helluva price to pay......but if it pans out, guys gonna look like a genius.
 
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But if you're trading a package like that, it should be for a guy on a rights controlled contract, or a long term contract. JC is a UFA in 3 more seasons.
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No one is going to trade the Kings a better player on a cost controlled long-term contract for that trade offer. Vilardi is 23 at the start of next season and is likely viewed as an NHL/AHL tweener calculated gamble in the eyes of most of the leagues GM's, which isn't unfair, that is what he's been for the Kings this year. Turcotte is a 21 year old former top 5 pick with 8 games of NHL experience and three underwhelming seasons since being drafted and has had significant issues staying in the lineup. The Kings 1st round pick this year currently projects to be around 20th and the Kings have one of the easiest schedules in the NHL the rest of the way and would be adding JC and losing losing no one from their optimal NHL lineup, so the pick could get worse. Honestly in that potential scenario the most enticing trade chip would be Phoenix hoping that Kopitar really collapsed and Doughty got hurt or something and the Kings bottomed out in 2023 like the Sharks did when they lost the Stutzle pick. With the top of the board next year being so strong I would prefer that Blake top-5 protect any potential trade that involves the 2023 first.
 
It’s a type of move that Blake and Luc haven’t shown they’re capable of doing regardless of the state of team. It’s a bold move that could pay big dividends and if Hagel flops then there’d be more pressure to ice a good team down the road having lost that much draft capital today.
 
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It’s a type of move that Blake and Luc haven’t shown they’re capable of doing regardless of the state of team. It’s a bold move that could pay big dividends and if Hagel flops then there’d be more pressure to ice a good team down the road having lost that much draft capital today.
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You say they haven't shown they are capable of making.....I say, they haven't been in a situation yet to make....so we don't know.
 
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