Around the League Thread part V
- Thread starter kingsboy11
- Start date
- Status
Ziggy Stardust
Master Debater
Herby
How could Blake have known?
I understand the decision not to move on, especially considering the fact that both had NMC’s, for all we know they did try and move on and neither guy was receptive.
It is pretty funny though GBH that you are so adamant about “no other team would do it” in this instance, and you very well are probably correct. Yet you defend the decision to not have Byfield in the NHL at 18 despite the fact that 24 of the previous 26 top 2 picks had been in the NHL. Why doesn’t “no other team would do it” apply in that case?
It is pretty funny though GBH that you are so adamant about “no other team would do it” in this instance, and you very well are probably correct. Yet you defend the decision to not have Byfield in the NHL at 18 despite the fact that 24 of the previous 26 top 2 picks had been in the NHL. Why doesn’t “no other team would do it” apply in that case?
johnjm22
Pseudo Intellectual
- Aug 2, 2005
- 21,017
- 17,951
Steve Zissou
I'll order you a red cap and a Speedo.
@Ziggy Stardust I kind of like them, and I def. dig the matching teal bucket to boot. The league needs more colors from top to bottom rather than resorting to adding a bunch of black & white.
ie example: love the purple/gold lids...
On a separate but related note, I'm def. not a fan of more teams haphazardly using black, like these:
/cloudfront-us-east-1.images.arcpublishing.com/dmn/6DN3QYUIWJGDHNAJVOO7ACFRAI.jpg)
ie example: love the purple/gold lids...
On a separate but related note, I'm def. not a fan of more teams haphazardly using black, like these:
Herby
How could Blake have known?
I don't hate them, even if teal is a relic of the 90's.
I still prefer the simpler more classy logos and color schemes of the original 6 and ones like the skating Penguin.
I still prefer the simpler more classy logos and color schemes of the original 6 and ones like the skating Penguin.
Because you are then ignoring SPECIFIC players.....You are acting as if there is ONLY ONE WAY for players to make the NHL, to become a star in the NHL.....why?
As far as tearing down a championship team vs playing prospects in the NHL etc completely different.....ideas not even in the same damn book, how convenient you want to lump them together....
Tell me....if Clarke comes in...."makes" the team or plays his 9 games.....and is...meh....at best, has serious issues that need to be ironed out.....what do you do? Do you keep him in the league because well EVERY OTHER TEAM DOES IT.....or do you put him in a position where he can iron it out with no pressure?
funky
Build around Byfield, not the vets
- Mar 9, 2002
- 7,075
- 4,732
In that example you don't burn a year on his contract and send him down to put in the work.
I agree, every player is different, every situation is different.
At this point we just need our prospects to stay healthy to see what we have. Four of our top prospects center prospects have had major injuries. All 4 come from different backgrounds leagues etc. I am not sure if the team had developed them any different, the outcome would have been any different.
Byfield - broken ankle/Covid cost half a year - happened in the NHL where we wanted him
Turcotte - Concussions, illnesses, lots of non related injuries #bubbleboy - concussed in the AHL after being sent down from the NHL as he was obviously not ready.
Kupari - blown up knee, lost a year - Happened at the WJC where we all wanted him playing
Thomas - double shoulder surgeries - happened in the AHL where he rightfully should have been playing
To me its having our guys stay healthy and make up for lost time. There is so many unknowns. Turcotte coming out of college - maybe the kid forced Blake's hand, maybe he was failing school, maybe Blake did force him to leave school - hard to speculate on the development path if we don't know the details behind the scenes.
I have no issues with the sharks new jerseys. Could be worse, could be better.
King'sPawn
Enjoy the chaos
- Jul 1, 2003
- 22,923
- 23,488
It's a cool logo if I understood the connectoon to the team name "Browns".
Unless it's a Brownie from Scottish/Gaelic folklore: Brownie (folklore) - Wikipedia
Bandit
Registered User
Wild that the only person left on the team in that pic is Kopitar, assuming that's him on the right.
Sharks practice arena looks bigger than where the Coyotes are gonna play NHL games this season.
KINGS17
Smartest in the Room
- Apr 6, 2006
- 32,564
- 11,711
Lafleur left the Canadiens in a dispute over the style of play Montreal was employing at the end of the 1984-85 season. Let that sink in, Montreal. Let. Him. Walk. Turns out Montreal knew what they were doing, because they won the Stanley Cup in 1986.
Beliveau retired after a brilliant career following the 1970-71 season in which he scored 76 points and, you guessed it, Montreal won the Stanley Cup.
Cournoyer retired after playing around 10 games in the 1978-79 season. He had injured his back during the 1976-77 season, came back for the 1977-78 season scoring 53 points, and yes, you guessed it again, Montreal won the Stanley Cup.
You are comparing apples to watermelons. I would be happy to have Kopitar here scoring 60 points a season, IF the Kings were Stanley Cup contenders. The Kings have not been, and will not be Stanley Cup contenders over the entire eight years of Kopitar's ridiculous contract, which has not benefited the Kings ability to do the only thing I care about, and you guessed it, that is contending for the Stanley Cup.
Ziggy Stardust
Master Debater
And what exactly would the Kings have obtained for Kopitar that would’ve made them Cup contenders? A less productive and less complete center such as Ryan Johansen?
KINGS17
Smartest in the Room
- Apr 6, 2006
- 32,564
- 11,711
Could have been any number of assets. Ryan Johansen is simply an example of one of the assets they might have obtained. The Kings might have been better off taking high picks and/or prospects (and finding a development team to actual make them productive top six NHL players). Why should I know exactly what the Kings would have received? I know what the Kings did get in terms of playoff success with Kopitar on the roster the last six years. BTW, thanks for the BS strawman, yet again, because what the Kings might have received in a deal has no bearing on whether or not they should have made a deal.
You fail to state why you think comparing the last six years Kopitar to the last years of three of Montreal's greatest players is a valid comparison.
Perhaps you are frustrated by everything going exactly as some predicted when it came to the Kings' future after they signed Kopitar to his last deal.
Last edited:
kingsboy11
Maestro
You know when the leaks came out I was down on the all Teal, but seeing it in person on a player it actually looks alright. Still think you need some black on the pants, but overall I think it looks better in person than in concept.
So your biggest comeback or argument is that two players CHOSE to leave via retirement, and another CHOSE to leave...the league for 3 years....
So in essence the Canadians DIDN'T CHOOSE TO LOSE THOSE PLAYERS, DIDN'T CHOOSE, TO TRADE ANY OF THEM....
Beliveau retired at 39.....and your response is....WELL SEE...CANADIANS CHOSE TO MOVE ON....
Jesus Christ you aren't even pretending to be honest about this.....
Not at all, your point is just f***ing idiotic
Let's take a look at your "point"
84-85, Lafleur left 19 games.....5 points.....Roy played 1 game
85-86 No Lafleur.....see they WON the cup.....yet had a full Roy, Naslund, Smith, Robinson, Carbonnneau, Walter
86-87....your point would be, they should move Robinson, Gainey, Tremblay, Walter, Smith aging players so they can win another cup...Yet....THEY KEPT ALL THOSE PLAYERS......holy shit, imagine that....
Last edited:
Herby
How could Blake have known?
I just don't understand how you can use as the defense of your argument in this situation
"No other team would have done it" (which again is a very valid argument you present to K17)
But then in other threads argue for something that the Kings did do with their highest ranked draft pick in a dozen years that no other team would have done. If you believe that "no other team would have done it" as an argument on one topic you should take that same argument in other ones. It just seems to me your use of "other teams wouldn't have done it" depends only on whether the Kings were the ones making the traditional moves. As soon as the Kings are the ones making the unorthodox moves well suddenly what all of teams would or wouldn't do doesn't matter. This was true in your defense of the handling of QB and Turcotte, which were both clearly unorthodox moves. To me it's just a huge contradiction that warrants a call-out.
I'm just really curious why what other teams would have done with Doughty/Kopitar is valid but what other teams would have done with QB/Turcotte means nothing?
As far as how to develop elite prospects.
What has been the most successful D+1 path for Top 1-3 picks to reach NHL stardom so far in this century?
A) Return to Junior/Europe/College
B) AHL
C) NHL
No long winded response, just a simple A, B or C will suffice.
Last edited:
bland
Registered User
- Jul 1, 2004
- 7,959
- 12,189
The most important thing they need: a new identity freed from unreachable expectations.
The players/picks in return wouldn't be fair value, but the Kings would have received exactly what they needed to avoid the situation they have been in for the last 6 years, which is a non-competitive team wasting young talent chasing the dragon slayed by Lombardi's later years moves. The Kings collected losses, turned them into kids, then mismanaged their development while still trying to win. And it turned out exactly as it only could have, no success, wasted money and a damaged future.
Trading Kopitar was always the best decision, just a shame they went in the wrong direction.
Ziggy Stardust
Master Debater
I don't buy that because I experienced the "rebuild" after the team traded Wayne Gretzky, and what did those assets turn into?
Say they get rid of Kopitar and pulled a Flyers like rebuild, who dealt Richards and Carter. Did that right their ship and turn them into contenders? Look at the position the Flyers are in now. Would you trade places with them?
The Kings aren't worse or in a bad position because they retained Kopitar, and things could be considerably worse without him. There's no guarantee that trading every 30+aged player was going to lead to success and a better development path for all the young players who are waiting for an opportunity.
Did the Ducks hanging onto Getzlaf prevent Trevor Zegras from breaking out? Getzlaf still had the highest average ice-time among all Ducks forwards, but that didn't block Zegras from becoming a productive player.
- Status
