Around the League Thread part V

[Schrute farms]

I would say that the Kings' recent acquisitions have made their prospect situation challenging, but is not necessarily a vote of little faith or no confidence for them. It's hard to say either way honestly, because you want to scratch your head and wonder why not give some of these kids a shot at taking a top spot, but literally, all of their recent signings and trades look amazing so far and we've given up little to nothing to acquire them...

Honestly, I feel Blake has done an outstanding job organizing the rebuild, gathering the picks and selections, and making good deals while managing assets. I kind of don't put much blame on him because a lot of the "mistakes" made are potential misteps that anybody would make in his position. He put the team in the best position to acquire as many promising prospects as possible, he clearly and wisely relies on his scouting staff to deliver the picks and isn't overriding or making selections over Yannetti, and he has run into amazing opportunities to acquire guaranteed quality players and has done well to jump on them. Obviously, fans want to see some visual acknowledgment of drafting and player development being addressed or tweaked given recent concerns, but no organization is going to show their hand like that and who knows what is happening behind the scenes, we are just going to have to wait and see what happens and judge it all years later when the dust settles.

There's no way you pass up Fiala there. They knew Faber wanted to go to Minny and had an opportunity to add a true first-line talent and best winger this team has had in probably a decade or maybe more. Fiala is young, in his prime, just had a career year, and signed a more reasonable deal than Stutzle... They got him without having to give up a roster player or any of their blue-chip prospects, no slight to Faber and I know there are some on these boards that believe he is of that caliber though I disagree.

With the logjam this has all created, it has also added a lot of insurance to a completely stocked pipeline in that with or without the prospects, the Kings are a playoff-caliber team... It is a position that many around the league may consider envious. Obviously, we are all holding our breath for some of these prospects to blossom as that is the #1 key to advancing and God help us if none do and Kopitar goes does, but it's a good time to be a Kings fan and we have a lot to be excited about to see how this all goes down.

The prospects are just going to have to develop on the bottom 6 and rip their spots out of the hands of some regular players for better or worse.

Thank you. Seriously i needed a good pep talk and positivity today. Much appreciated level headedness among some of the extremes.

 

[TruKingFan]

Clearly Blake’s approach to a better roster is to torment competition and let the players earn the roster spot.

JAD is a great example. He played 5 games in 18/19 and did alright but perhaps didn’t show enough to be “penciled in” to say the 4C position. Along comes Lizotte in 19/20 who by everybody’s admission grabbed that spot and have provided far better results in the same limited time and is now entrenched in that position. Does it mean the 2nd rd pick was wasted on JAD? Not really.

You can say the same for the signing of Danault and trading for Arvidson last year and Fiala this year. Does it mean we might lose a Vilardi or an Andersson. Sure. Every team has to make decisions like this.

Durzi and Spence came out of nowhere and now makes Walker redundant? Fine. Heck Clarke may make just seal Walkers fate. Cool!

Bottom line like some people around here can accept, Kings are in much better position to compete for a playoff spot which needs to happen before you can contend for the Cup.

Pages and pages of hand-wringing and angst about draft picks and expectations for said draft picks and the roster changes they get and their playing time and development get old as well.

 

[Schmooley]

Pages and pages of hand-wringing and angst about draft picks and expectations for said draft picks and the roster changes they get and their playing time and development get old as well.

Yea you shouldnt be allowed to spend pages and pages on a Kings hockey forum to talk about your view on the Kings. People want to talk about Spence already making Walker redundant last year but still not earning a spot and starting this year in the AHL. It is a valid discussion and should not make you upset.

 

[Herby]

Just like in real-life, to much control and attempted censorship and/or control of the conversation. Just like with a certain podcast host that some people hate what he talks about, if you don't want to listen to it just don't. If you think there is a more valid discussion to have make a post talking about that.

Clearly Blake’s approach to a better roster is to torment competition and let the players earn the roster spot.

If this is the approach then why is Kupari rumored to be destined for the AHL before camp even starts?

Kupari outplayed the 3 waiver-wire warriors last season while being a year younger and (if we trust the Mayor) is destined to play in the AHL to try and hang on to two of those guys. How is that creating competition and letting players earn a roster spot? It's not, it's the exact opposite of that.

The rest of the post is fair and reasonable, but the opening line certainly isn't.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Clearly Blake’s approach to a better roster is to torment competition and let the players earn the roster spot.

JAD is a great example. He played 5 games in 18/19 and did alright but perhaps didn’t show enough to be “penciled in” to say the 4C position. Along comes Lizotte in 19/20 who by everybody’s admission grabbed that spot and have provided far better results in the same limited time and is now entrenched in that position. Does it mean the 2nd rd pick was wasted on JAD? Not really.

You can say the same for the signing of Danault and trading for Arvidson last year and Fiala this year. Does it mean we might lose a Vilardi or an Andersson. Sure. Every team has to make decisions like this.

Durzi and Spence came out of nowhere and now makes Walker redundant? Fine. Heck Clarke may make just seal Walkers fate. Cool!

Bottom line like some people around here can accept, Kings are in much better position to compete for a playoff spot which needs to happen before you can contend for the Cup.

Pages and pages of hand-wringing and angst about draft picks and expectations for said draft picks and the roster changes they get and their playing time and development get old as well.

Some of us believe these moves are closer to the playoffs but further from a Cup.

no, not every team is in a position to waive multiple first and 2nd rounders multiple years in a row, and no, that's not okay! "If it makes the team better who cares" is overly simplistic at best and bad faith at worst.

If it was about 'earning' the roster spot Grundstrom wouldn't get benched after 3 games in a row scoring goals and grinding...don't worry, I have an exhaustive list of similar occasions for when you inevitably try to justify this move in a vacuum. It's not a meritocracy, it's a seniority and waiver-eligibility game.

Durzi and Spence--a 2nd rounder and a 4th rounder who's tracking like a 1st--'came out of nowhere' after we lost an entire starting lineup of dmen and 10 total. Durzi would be on the waiver bubble right this minute if the universe didn't force Blake's hand.

You don't have to agree and frankly I appreciate the separate view, but your repeated attempts to villanize everyone who doesn't think the Kings shit rainbows are weak.

 

[King'sPawn]

Some of us believe these moves are closer to the playoffs but further from a Cup.

no, not every team is in a position to waive multiple first and 2nd rounders multiple years in a row, and no, that's not okay!

If it was about 'earning' the roster spot Grundstrom wouldn't get benched after 3 games in a row scoring goals and grinding...don't worry, I have an exhaustive list of similar occasions for when you inevitably try to justify this move in a vacuum.

Durzi and Spence--a 2nd rounder and a 4th rounder who's tracking like a 1st--'came out of nowhere' after we lost an entire starting lineup of dmen and 10 total. Durzi would be on the waiver bubble right this minute if the universe didn't force Blake's hand.

You don't have to agree and frankly I appreciate the separate view, but your repeated attempts to villanize everyone who doesn't think the Kings shit rainbows are weak.

For all the people who gripe about how much they hate reading what we have to say, it's pretty clear they've never read anything we say.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

For all the people who gripe about how much they hate reading what we have to say, it's pretty clear they've never read anything we say.

GOD THIS IS SO TIRING TO READ

*makes reply not addressing main points*

BORING

*sets reminder timer for one month, repeat all summer*

 

[Sparky206]

Let's not get carried away...

I'm counting 6 PPGs and only one of them was on his off wing.

8:55 in that video is the goal im talking about, mirror image of many from juniors. It may have been a post from the same game or one before, but I remember vividly thinking thank the lord they've finally put him there and hes produced instant results only for him to put him back to the LW the game after and never put him back there again.

 

[Axl Rhoadz]

8:55 in that video is the goal im talking about, mirror image of many from juniors. It may have been a post from the same game or one before, but I remember vividly thinking thank the lord they've finally put him there and hes produced instant results only for him to put him back to the LW the game after and never put him back there again.

Maybe because he was producing just fine on his strong side, that's my point.

 

[Axl Rhoadz]

If this is the approach then why is Kupari rumored to be destined for the AHL before camp even starts?

OH NO...a rumor?? Burn the village down!!

 

[Herby]

OH NO...a rumor?? Burn the village down!!

Say what you want about Hoven but he is usually right on stuff like this.

Also the Kings have a history of doing this so why would it be surprising?

 

[Axl Rhoadz]

Say what you want about Hoven but he is usually right on stuff like this.

Also the Kings have a history of doing this so why would it be surprising?

Good, you have plenty of time to consult your psychiatrist over it.

 

[Herby]

Good, you have plenty of time to consult your psychiatrist over it.

Alright, cool Axl. You clearly have nothing else to contribute anymore. I guess I'll have to do what a lot of others have done.

 

[Axl Rhoadz]

Alright, cool Axl. You clearly have nothing else to contribute anymore. I guess I'll have to do what a lot of others have done.

Oh no…the dreaded ignore list, somebody pass me a tissue.

 

[TruKingFan]

Yea you shouldnt be allowed to spend pages and pages on a Kings hockey forum to talk about your view on the Kings. People want to talk about Spence already making Walker redundant last year but still not earning a spot and starting this year in the AHL. It is a valid discussion and should not make you upset.

Not upset at all. Just scroll quickly lol

 

[Sol]

I think it’s easier to say the Kings are closer to the playoffs than the cup. All the help the Kings look for outside of the organization is just moves that the Kings need to do to make The playoffs. The rookies not panning out is likely, and that alone is the sign of a team that will not win it all. You need top end players through the organization. Not outside of it. That’s not how it works.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Not upset at all. Just scroll quickly lol

Maybe you shouldn't, because if you paid attention, your weak ass points have already been addressed a million times, and you wouldn't be contributing to the trash heap you complain about.

Just a thought, since you're so grumpy about wasted bandwidth and all.

 

[TruKingFan]

Maybe you shouldn't, because if you paid attention, your weak ass points have already been addressed a million times, and you wouldn't be contributing to the trash heap you complain about.

Just a thought, since you're so grumpy about wasted bandwidth and all.

You’re the one that sounds grumpy. you can rehash and regurgitate your takes however many times you like. it doesn’t mean it‘s any more correct than any other on here. this forum is really all wasted bandwidth as none of this matter anyway. So there’s that.

 

[Vamos Rafa]

It’s been 10 years and I’m still mad about Quick getting robbed of the 2011-12 Vezina

 

[All The Kings Men]

It’s been 10 years and I’m still mad about Quick getting robbed of the 2011-12 Vezina

as well you should be

 

[King'sPawn]

It’s been 10 years and I’m still mad about Quick getting robbed of the 2011-12 Vezina

I genuinely think he deserved the Hart more than the Conn Smythe.

Not that he wasn't stellar in the playoffs, but the Kings were locked in. He had great numbers to reflect the team's dominance.

But the Kings don't make the playoffs without him carrying the team in the regular season. At least until they started clicking.

 

[ru4reals]

It’s been 10 years and I’m still mad about Quick getting robbed of the 2011-12 Vezina

Out of curiosity who won it that year?

Edit: Sorry it was Lundqvist. The question is now, and I don't remember it all that well, but was Henrik Lundqvist deserving? I know he had a pretty good year.

 

[kingsboy11]

Out of curiosity who won it that year?

Edit: Sorry it was Lundqvist. The question is now, and I don't remember it all that well, but was Henrik Lundqvist deserving? I know he had a pretty good year.

Statistically he was just as good as Quick, but the Rangers were a better regular season the the Kings that year. Quick was the reason we even made the playoffs. Quick had to be perfect because he got no run support, team couldn't score goals to their lives for most of that season. There's no doubt in my mind that the Quick was the best goaltender in the world that season and I'll take it to my grave.

 

[Herby]

Agree Quick should have won the Hart

So that was the gnarliest run I’ve ever had that year on anything to do with sports betting, with Kings unders. Go back and look at the game logs basically every game was 2-1, 2-0 or 1-0 for about 3 months before the Kings offense finally ramped up a bit at the end of the year.

Any other goalie I don’t think they make the playoffs in 2012 and obviously don’t win the cup.

It was one of the alltime great seasons by a goaltender in the history of the league when you factor in regular and post season.

 

[yankeeking]

I think it’s easier to say the Kings are closer to the playoffs than the cup. All the help the Kings look for outside of the organization is just moves that the Kings need to do to make The playoffs. The rookies not panning out is likely, and that alone is the sign of a team that will not win it all. You need top end players through the organization. Not outside of it. That’s not how it works.

so can one of you guys who feel that signing an above average 2nd line center and a PAG+ firstl or sec line winger pushes us farther back from a cup , not being an ass just don't get the logic . These aren;t like resigning AA these are appearing to be great signings , and it provides a little longer for our drafted #2 center to get footing and man power that is needed for his type of game . As for the others from outside the org. who has not excelled Moore, Durzi, Grundstrum and I get the Matta or Elder but the left side has developed slower and one is gone and the other will be in the press box if anyone can put him there in what is probably his last season at least with us . Not going to argue the normal points of drafting and development that goes on because as much as Herby, KP and RJ as well as others are right in questioning the decisions the team makes there has to be more than one way to build a cup winner and adding very good guys in their prime seems to be one route. If we had signed say Perry or AA types again just to make the playoffs i could see it putting us farther away but these are moves that should augment as we fill spots with prospects, I think if even one rookie or second year guy gets it this year we will take a giant step for kings fans, can hardly wait for this season to get started