Around the League Thread | Marching to the Trade Deadline

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There's always been a double standard in the NHL when it comes to smaller-market Canadian teams.

Bettman is in the 'Peg for a fireside chat with Jets brass about the state of the franchise. Meantime in Phoenix, the last iteration of Jets is playing in a 1980's college arena, appropriately named the 'Mullet Arena'.

For the last decade and half there's been just white noise about building a new NHL arena somewhere in the Phoenix area--but so far just a lot of hot air, of which the desert is so famous.

The first NHL franchise to load up the moving van should be the Coyotes. But Benning won't have it.
I feel like this is more of a first impression thing than double standard. Early on in his tenure during the dead puck unlimited spending era was when you saw teams getting squeezed & moved, in no particular order: Quebec, Winnipeg, Minnesota, and Hartford. You also saw a lot of expansion that outside of Ottawa all went to American cities, which I mean come on of course that's where they're going. Coming out of the 21 team 8's there were 14 American teams to 7 Canadian, the league was pretty tapped out in Canada (and still are) with massive room for expansion in the US.

I feel like Bettman's actual stance maybe not initially but evolved to leaning towards not move teams, which then become dependent on ownership. Atlanta moved to Winnipeg because Atlanta ownership only wanted their NBA team and basically kicked the Thrashers out. The Coyotes has existed in limbo forever because without ever having stable ownership they've been babysat by the league, and like I said the preference probably became to not move teams.

I think the point is we'll see with Winnipeg here, but I really doubt we see any "double standard".
 
Pretty much.

They have solid ownership and there will be a lot of effort put into turning things around there before they pack up and leave.
Solid financially or in general? Because from what I’ve read a lot of their fans are upset with the way ticket sales are handled and apparently the issues go beyond just pricing for single games and season tickets for the average Joe. Season ticket holders and corporations are unhappy. I’ve even read that the jets make it a pain for season ticket holders to resell single game tickets, not sure if that’s true though.

Apparently it’s been an issue for years but ownership got away with it because of how excited the fans were to get back the team but frustration has now boiled over.
 
Solid financially or in general? Because from what I’ve read a lot of their fans are upset with the way ticket sales are handled and apparently the issues go beyond just pricing for single games and season tickets for the average Joe. Season ticket holders and corporations are unhappy. I’ve even read that the jets make it a pain for season ticket holders to resell single game tickets, not sure if that’s true though.

Apparently it’s been an issue for years but ownership got away with it because of how excited the fans were to get back the team but frustration has now boiled over.

As far as I know, financially sound and committed to the city.

Not saying they've done a great job keeping their customers happy, by any means. Obviously they haven't and that will be what they're trying to fix.
 
Pretty much.

They have solid ownership and there will be a lot of effort put into turning things around there before they pack up and leave.
Chipman’s message was to the corporate base in the summer. No idea what Bettman talking to the fans will do unless it’s with a lot of the reps of the corporations that had purchased tickets before.
 
I wonder how this squares with NHL’s substance abuse problem policies. Can’t Ruzicka enter the substance abuse program now saying he needs help and twart the contract termination?
To me, there is a difference between coming to your employer and saying, "I have a problem and need help", vs. them finding out you snort coke in your off-time via an IG story.
 
Have the (mis)fortune of catching the last two Sabres games (vs. MTL and CBJ). I like to watch games of other teams as much as I can. Thought it would be interesting considering there are some players that were notable in Canucks chatter. Some observations:

- Greenway: Pretty non-descript. Could protect the puck well on the boards in the OZ when he had it, but didn't have it much. Pretty disappointed in his lack of forechecking given his profile, seemed like Mittelstadt and Cozens did a lot more of it on his line. Also some poor defensive decisions, like not knowing when to engage or disengage with an attacker, and not being able to clear the zone. Lost some battles in the DZ. I liked Girgensons better as a purely, big/gritty/defensive guy.

- Mittlestadt: I was the chief of the Mitts fanclub, but he didn't really look great. Flashed some nice hands on occasion, but wasn't that impactful. At least showed proper positional awareness in the DZ.

- Benson: This is a smart player. Great positioning in the DZ, even recognizing when to engage as the F1/center. Not afraid to engage in board battles, even mixing it up in front of the net. Had some crafty passes on offense and zone entries, protected the puck well on the boards, and generally looked good.

Others:
- Tage: Everyone sees the tools offensively. And he had a ton of chances. But my god he is so bad defensively. Always gliding, reaching, basically never stop-and-starts. Unwilling to engage physically much (Benson despite being a foot shorter is way feistier). Often floating near the top of the DZ cheating for an odd-man rush if other Sabres win the puck. Idk if his injury earlier this season is part of the reason, but it was really bad.

- Peterka: This guy is going to be a player. So noticeable. Tons of speed and tenacity. A one-man zone exit and entry machine.

- RealGud: I had to mention Gudbranson (from the CBJ game). He's so bad lmao. I think on one shift he had a pizza into the slot, when he got the puck back next flipped it out lazily into the neutral zone where BUF immediately attacked again, and then got absolutely dangled by Peyton Krebs.
 
Have the (mis)fortune of catching the last two Sabres games (vs. MTL and CBJ). I like to watch games of other teams as much as I can. Thought it would be interesting considering there are some players that were notable in Canucks chatter. Some observations:

- Greenway: Pretty non-descript. Could protect the puck well on the boards in the OZ when he had it, but didn't have it much. Pretty disappointed in his lack of forechecking given his profile, seemed like Mittelstadt and Cozens did a lot more of it on his line. Also some poor defensive decisions, like not knowing when to engage or disengage with an attacker, and not being able to clear the zone. I liked Girgensons better as a purely, big/gritty/defensive guy.

- Mittlestadt: I was the chief of the Mitts fanclub, but he didn't really look great. Flashed some nice hands on occasion, but wasn't that impactful. At least showed proper positional awareness in the DZ.

- Benson: This is a smart player. Great positioning in the DZ, even recognizing when to engage as the F1/center. Not afraid to engage in board battles, even mixing it up in front of the net. Had some crafty passes on offense and zone entries, protected the puck well on the boards, and generally looked good.

Others:
- Tage: Everyone sees the tools offensively. And he had a ton of chances. But my god he is so bad defensively. Always gliding, reaching, basically never stop-and-starts. Unwilling to engage physically much (Benson despite being a foot shorter is way feistier). Often floating near the top of the DZ cheating for an odd-man rush if other Sabres win the puck. Idk if his injury earlier this season is part of the reason, but it was really bad.

- Peterka: This guy is going to be a player. So noticeable. Tons of speed and tenacity. A one-man zone exit and entry machine.

- RealGud: I had to mention Gudbranson (from the CBJ game). He's so bad lmao. I think on one shift he had a pizza into the slot, when he got the puck back next flipped it out lazily into the neutral zone where BUF immediately attacked again, and then got absolutely dangled by Peyton Krebs.
Peterka is the only guy that consistently stands out when i watch, very very slick
 
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I wonder how this squares with NHL’s substance abuse problem policies. Can’t Ruzicka enter the substance abuse program now saying he needs help and twart the contract termination?
It would be terminated under the disrepute rules.
 
Have the (mis)fortune of catching the last two Sabres games (vs. MTL and CBJ). I like to watch games of other teams as much as I can. Thought it would be interesting considering there are some players that were notable in Canucks chatter. Some observations:

- Greenway: Pretty non-descript. Could protect the puck well on the boards in the OZ when he had it, but didn't have it much. Pretty disappointed in his lack of forechecking given his profile, seemed like Mittelstadt and Cozens did a lot more of it on his line. Also some poor defensive decisions, like not knowing when to engage or disengage with an attacker, and not being able to clear the zone. Lost some battles in the DZ. I liked Girgensons better as a purely, big/gritty/defensive guy.

- Mittlestadt: I was the chief of the Mitts fanclub, but he didn't really look great. Flashed some nice hands on occasion, but wasn't that impactful. At least showed proper positional awareness in the DZ.

- Benson: This is a smart player. Great positioning in the DZ, even recognizing when to engage as the F1/center. Not afraid to engage in board battles, even mixing it up in front of the net. Had some crafty passes on offense and zone entries, protected the puck well on the boards, and generally looked good.

Others:
- Tage: Everyone sees the tools offensively. And he had a ton of chances. But my god he is so bad defensively. Always gliding, reaching, basically never stop-and-starts. Unwilling to engage physically much (Benson despite being a foot shorter is way feistier). Often floating near the top of the DZ cheating for an odd-man rush if other Sabres win the puck. Idk if his injury earlier this season is part of the reason, but it was really bad.

- Peterka: This guy is going to be a player. So noticeable. Tons of speed and tenacity. A one-man zone exit and entry machine.

- RealGud: I had to mention Gudbranson (from the CBJ game). He's so bad lmao. I think on one shift he had a pizza into the slot, when he got the puck back next flipped it out lazily into the neutral zone where BUF immediately attacked again, and then got absolutely dangled by Peyton Krebs.

It's the most NHL GM thing ever that Erik Gudbranson finally got a <1m dollar contract after multiple teams that acquired him figured out he isn't a 4m dollar player, but he has 1 good year as a bottom pairing D in Darryl Sutter's system and immediately gets another multi year 4 million dollar contract.
 
Another example of Fanatics being shit
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What kind of contender loses to the Wild after nearly tying it only to have their empty net scored on.

for real though what kind of contender can only score on the Wild twice
 
Oilers lose again at home. They haven't done much better than the Canucks in February yet everyone is rolling out the red carpet in praise for them.
 
Oilers lose again at home. They haven't done much better than the Canucks in February yet everyone is rolling out the red carpet in praise for them.
Yeah I was about to post this. In the last 10 games the Canucks have 1 less point than Vegas and 2 less points than Edmonton. For playing your worse stretch of games and only giving up 2 points of ground to your division rivals is pretty damn good.
 
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The way I look at it, the Jets will remain here as long as the Thomson family wants them to. I'm not sure what the percentage split for ownership is between Chipman and Thomson, but I don't think Mark Chipman or his family has the capital to take over full ownership of the team if David Thomson (or his siblings/children should he pass on) decide to sell off that portion.

As for the attendance issues...I'm not overly surprised. When the NHL returned here back in 2011, I remember hearing about people getting or trying to get season tickets, and all I heard with those people was splitting tickets between groups of six, groups of eight, even groups of twelve. Didn't hear much about individuals getting season tickets of their own. If the season ticket base was truly more the former than the latter, there's no way that was sustainable long-term, especially when the corporate sector wasn't holding up its end of the bargain in that regard. I mean, businesses account for only 15% of the season ticket count, when the lowest in Canada is around 45%? Yikes!

Of course, having an arena that only seats 15,325 (less than the old Winnipeg Arena's capacity of 15,565 somehow) means that there's a distinct lack of cheaper tickets available. I had to look up what the cheapest ticket that one could get for any of the remaining games this season, and the cheapest one I could find was $63 for a Jets vs. Blues ticket up in the nosebleeds. I realize that $63 likely wouldn't even get you into Rogers Arena - let alone get a seat - but you have to keep in mind that Winnipeg is a notoriously cheap city, and I say that as someone who has lived here my whole life. Add on things like parking fees and getting anything from concessions (the latter of which sounds like it's fairly pricey itself) and...yeah, it adds up.

Add on top of that having an AHL team playing in the same arena at the same time likely cuts into their fanbase. Yeah, they're owned by True North, but having a second pro hockey team here seems counterproductive, especially when it comes to corporate dollars. Thank goodness the Winnipeg Ice moved after last season, though I don't know how much of a dent they made in the Jets/Moose's bottom line given that even they couldn't sell out their arena every game as one of the best teams in the WHL, and the Wayne Fleming Arena seats less than 2,000!

The pandemic certainly didn't help matters, but the sellout streak ended before it hit. Seems appropriate that it happened against the team formerly known as the Winnipeg Jets. It happened a few more times before the regular season was cancelled, though in fairness, two of those games were only single digits off from a sellout. Still, the days of the endless sellout streak are over, as is the season ticket waiting list that had several thousand people on it at one point. It was always a fool's errand to expect the MTS Centre/Bell MTS Place/Canada Life Centre to sell out games into perpetuity.

That's not even getting into the Jets themselves! They're playing fine this season, but I wouldn't doubt that some of the fans are frustrated by how conservative Jets GM Kevin Cheveldayoff has been throughout the years, and it's hard to say if holding back on making big trades or signings in the past has been for the best. The moves that have been made this year (PLD traded to LA, Monahan coming in, etc.) seem to be working out so far. We'll see about the rest of the season.

It also probably doesn't help that the current Jets have a playoff record that's only slightly better than the previous Jets! You know, the one that moved to Arizona in 1996? Both teams missed the playoffs six times each, the current Jets have won three playoffs series to the previous Jets' two, and the current team has even made it to the Conference Final! On the plus side, at least the newer version of the team has five more years (the old Jets lasted 17 years in the NHL before moving) to improve on that record.
 
Benson: This is a smart player. Great positioning in the DZ, even recognizing when to engage as the F1/center. Not afraid to engage in board battles, even mixing it up in front of the net. Had some crafty passes on offense and zone entries, protected the puck well on the boards, and generally looked good.


Benson is legit. A little bit more strength and more pop in his skating and he will be a building block there.

They'll never let him go, but I would trade Thompson before moving Benson, Cozens or Mittlestadt.
 
To me, there is a difference between coming to your employer and saying, "I have a problem and need help", vs. them finding out you snort coke in your off-time via an IG story.

Huge difference and any manager with balls would simply say bullshit

It would be terminated under the disrepute rules.

I'm not well read in drug addiction behaviours but I'm not sure that here is a difference. My understanding is that the NHL/PA's approach is clearly to treat drug addiction rather than penalize it. I don't think the perception necessarily changes if Ruzicka comes out and seeks help now after this incident where he went and posted on social media etc. vs having sought help earlier.

Recreational drugs are tested but there's nothing in the CBA that specifically penalizes or prohibits a player from taking recreational drugs such as cocaine. In fact, only if a player tests positive with a dangerously high level of say cocaine would you even see a referral to the NHL substance abuse program. The reasonings have been discussed and reported when Kuznetsov was caught. I don't believe anything has changed since then.

Bettman has the power to discipline players for off-ice conduct that is "detrimental to or against the welfare of the league or the game of hockey." But again, consider the fact that Ruzcika has less than half a year left on his contract, the NHL/PA should work out a situation where Ruzcika enters the substance abuse program and gets paid the remainder of his salary. There's also a chance that Ruzcika denies that he took cocaine.

I can't see how the PA doesn't appeal a contract termination.
 
It's the most NHL GM thing ever that Erik Gudbranson finally got a <1m dollar contract after multiple teams that acquired him figured out he isn't a 4m dollar player, but he has 1 good year as a bottom pairing D in Darryl Sutter's system and immediately gets another multi year 4 million dollar contract.
How can a GM help himself? Look how handsome he is. RealGud is RealDreamy. If he asked for $4M, I'd give it to him <3 <3
 
Benson is legit. A little bit more strength and more pop in his skating and he will be a building block there.

They'll never let him go, but I would trade Thompson before moving Benson, Cozens or Mittlestadt.
Oh absolutely. After my viewing session, there is no way you want Tage as the 1C of a legitimate team.

People are complaining about Petey. Trying watching Tage closely for a couple games. Yikes.

And Benson is gonna be so good. If he picks up his skating a little bit, he is Brayden Point.
 
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