Around the League, Summer 2016--NHL Draft Shenanigans Edition

[YP44]

Jhonas Enroth to toronto 1year 750k

he was rumored there since the Bernier trade. I am surprised it took this long, also surprised it isn't for more.

He has had a rough go. His numbers suggest he should get more starts but his small frame has resulted in him being passed over on the depth charts. It was an odd choice for him to sign in LA last year considering he must have known how few starts he was going to get.

 

[USE Fi]

he was rumored there since the Bernier trade. I am surprised it took this long, also surprised it isn't for more.

He has had a rough go. His numbers suggest he should get more starts but his small frame has resulted in him being passed over on the depth charts. It was an odd choice for him to sign in LA last year considering he must have known how few starts he was going to get.

I remember reading some swedish news paper that he didnt like how many games he got from Kings.

 

[Omni Owl]

I remember reading some swedish news paper that he didnt like how many games he got from Kings.

I don't blame him. Sutter is known for riding goalies into the ground, and he did that last year with Quick.

 

[YP44]

I remember reading some swedish news paper that he didnt like how many games he got from Kings.

yup he said that, but really what was his expectation going into the season playing behind Quick on a Sutter team?

 

[YP44]

I don't blame him. Sutter is known for riding goalies into the ground, and he did that last year with Quick.

I would say Sutter is known for playing his #1 goalie a ton, not running them into the ground. Kipper in Calgary made up for a sub par aging team, a lot of the years the flames would not have even made the playoffs if not for Kipper playing as much as he did. It is up to the goalie to be prepared to play a lot under sutter. There is some give and take, and maybe Sutter needs to dial it back a bit, but if you have a stud goalie you play him. Come playoff time a lot of us ***** and moan about how much time off there is between games, that is rest time for Quick and others.

Way way back in the day didn't goalies play every game? I know the game has changed and the level of athleticism is different but still that's impressive to me.

 

[deeshamrock]

Jhonas Enroth to toronto 1year 750k

not sure why that took so long, that began awhile ago. Good pickup for the Leafs, with Andersen it solidifies their back end. COmbined with the new young forwards expected to make the team, they will be much improved this year and I expect won't finish as a cellar dweller next year.
Given the upgrade, they should finish closer to 20 than 30 at years end.

 

[deeshamrock]

I would say Sutter is known for playing his #1 goalie a ton, not running them into the ground. Kipper in Calgary made up for a sub par aging team, a lot of the years the flames would not have even made the playoffs if not for Kipper playing as much as he did. It is up to the goalie to be prepared to play a lot under sutter. There is some give and take, and maybe Sutter needs to dial it back a bit, but if you have a stud goalie you play him. Come playoff time a lot of us ***** and moan about how much time off there is between games, that is rest time for Quick and others.

Way way back in the day didn't goalies play every game? I know the game has changed and the level of athleticism is different but still that's impressive to me.

Way way back, yes, but smaller league, less teams and travel.
What's impressive is that they depended on their talent to win ,not oversized pads and equipment that make the current goalies look like transformers.

Goalies are bigger (Terry Sawchuk was only about 5'10 or so) but the nets are the same.

and no masks...yeesh...

 

[Kingsfan1]

I'm not against Sutters philosophy because he knows better what is good for the team however, I think we would be much better team if Quick played around 55-60 games instead of 70. With Quicks aggressive style it wouldn't hurt to be rested for the playoffs.

 

[deeshamrock]

I'm not against Sutters philosophy because he knows better what is good for the team however, I think we would be much better team if Quick played around 55-60 games instead of 70. With Quicks aggressive style it wouldn't hurt to be rested for the playoffs.

Most of them would play every game, if they were given the chance but I think in todays NHL, given the amount of travel, how many games go to OT, playing more than 60 or so could lead to fatigue and injury.

. This article from Ingoal magazine is written about that subject and points out, fatigue leads to injuries and maybe if Enroth had been given more starts (16 last year) he'd have stayed.


http://ingoalmag.com/news/teams-putting-goalies-risk/



Grant Fuhr holds the NHL record, 79 games

http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/who-says-goaltenders-cant-play-all-82-games-not-goalies/

In 1995-96, at 33 years old and after logging just 17 games the season before, he played 79 games for the St. Louis Blues. He might’ve played them all had it not been for a late season knee injury. It was a remarkable run, especially given his new coach’s well-known reputation for having a short leash on his goalies – it was Fuhr’s first year in St. Louis and Mike Keenan’s as well.

Marty's stats are impressive:

Brodeur’s career spanned those two decades, and he played 70 or more games 12 times, including 10 seasons in a row from 1997-98 to 2007-08. His career high came at age 34 when he played 78 games in 2006-07.

 

[tsanuri]

I'm not against Sutters philosophy because he knows better what is good for the team however, I think we would be much better team if Quick played around 55-60 games instead of 70. With Quicks aggressive style it wouldn't hurt to be rested for the playoffs.

It's not just Sutter. Some goalies like being in net more and feel they lose rhythm when they sit too often. And I think we have one of those guys that never wants to sit. Even if it might be better for him to do it a little more often.

 

[damacles1156]

Holtby,Bishop,Schneider,Luongo,Price,Lundqvist... All these guys are going to play between 60-70+ games(If Healthy).

Quick will be no different. NHL coaches want their number one Goalie to play as much, as possible. Lundvist's first six seasons in the league he averaged about 70 games a season.

Hell, Martin Jones played 65 games last year.

 

[Omni Owl]

Holtby,Bishop,Schneider,Luongo,Price,Lundqvist... All these guys are going to play between 60-70+ games(If Healthy).

Quick will be no different. NHL coaches want their number one Goalie to play as much, as possible. Lundvist's first six seasons in the league he averaged about 70 games a season.

Hell, Martin Jones played 65 games last year.

Just enough games to have Quick burn out in the post season.

 

[damacles1156]

Just enough games to have Quick burn out in the post season.

The guy is a world class athlete, if he can't handle 60 to 70 games(his career average) He shouldn't be a starter in the NHL.

Lucky for us, Quick can handle it.

Quick's career year(2012), he played 69 games in the regular season.

Some of you think Doughty/Quick have some sort of enormous workload, when they don't really play a HUGE amount more than Elite players.

Last year was a dud from Quick/Doughty(in the playoff's), Both played less than the season prior. Also with a full off-season too boot.

Fatigue was not an excuse for last playoff round (EVERYONE) was well rested.

 

[Omni Owl]

Doughty, Quick, and Kopitar are all relied upon too heavily (and aren't getting any younger). Its really going to show this upcoming year with the weaker depth we have. One of the youths is really going to have to step it up and contribute. Like the Shark's series has shown, if our top guys are shut down, this team is easy to beat.

 

[damacles1156]

Doughty, Quick, and Kopitar are all relied upon too heavily (and aren't getting any younger). Its really going to show this upcoming year with the weaker depth we have. One of the youths is really going to have to step it up and contribute. Like the Shark's series has shown, if our top guys are shut down, this team is easy to beat.

You just described about every team in the league. That situation is not unique to the Kings.

Had the Kings shutdown Pavs/Burns/Thornton, it's a different series.

If you shutdown Toews/Kane/Keith

If you Shutdown Tarasenko/Schwartz/Shattenkirk

If you shutdown Crosby/Malkin/Letang

If you shutdown Stamkos/Hedman/Johnson

If you shutdown Backstrom/Kuznetzov/Ovi

ETC ETC.

I could go on for all teams in the NHL.

Some folks are acting like the Kings are is some sort of (EDM Oilers) stage of black-hole.

Roster got holes ? You bet, but so does the ENTIRE league. The most complete team last season (the Capitals) didn't even make the finals.

 

[HookKing]

The guy is a world class athlete, if he can't handle 60 to 70 games(his career average) He shouldn't be a starter in the NHL.

Lucky for us, Quick can handle it.

Quick's career year(2012), he played 69 games in the regular season.

Some of you think Doughty/Quick have some sort of enormous workload, when they don't really play a HUGE amount more than Elite players.

Last year was a dud from Quick/Doughty(in the playoff's), Both played less than the season prior. Also with a full off-season too boot.

Fatigue was not an excuse for last playoff round (EVERYONE) was well rested.

Yep, and they also folded up like a cheap accordion the year before as well. Anyone that couldn't see the lack of energy from those guys in the SJ series is in complete denial. All those 3 on 3 brutal minutes took a heavy toll on the key guys.

Sutter made a huge mistake overplaying those guys and the team paid for it.

 

[Omni Owl]

Yep, and they also folded up like a cheap accordion the year before as well. Anyone that couldn't see the lack of energy from those guys in the SJ series is in complete denial. All those 3 on 3 brutal minutes took a heavy toll on the key guys.

Sutter made a huge mistake overplaying those guys and the team paid for it.

That's exactly my point, Sutter is going to ride our top guys into the dust and come playoff time they're going to have nothing left. No **** its similar for other teams in the league, that's stating the obvious and doesn't even need to be expressed. The team is once again going to struggle offensively unless Dowd/AA/Shore all of a sudden turn into studs. Our defensive needs weren't even met in the offseason, along with the weakness at 3C (though I'll cut DL some slack there due to the expansion draft).

 

[kingsboy11]

The Kings lost to the Sharks because they had something to prove after we beat them in embarrassing fashion 2 years prior, while every single player on the Kings was slumping at the worst possible time and the Sharks jumped on the Kings when they lost Martinez which made it a quick 5 game series. The Kings played really well for a majority of the season. For the playoffs, it's all about playing your best hockey at the right time. The penguins are the perfect example for this.

Obviously the Kings don't have the perfect roster and the team needs some young players to perform (Dowd, Shore, Mersch, Gravel, Forbort and McNabb especially). I don't think the Kings are the #1 contender by any means, but we have a system in place that has worked in the past, our top6 forwards are still solid even without Lucic and we still have the best defensemen in the league.

I think this season hinges on a few things:
-Gaborik needs to stay healthy
-Brown obviously needs to produce more, I think 15 goals is doable
-And McNabb absolutely needs to be more consistent
-Shore needs be more productive or else the 3rd line will just be a black hole.

 

[kingsfan28]

Doughty, Quick, and Kopitar are all relied upon too heavily (and aren't getting any younger). Its really going to show this upcoming year with the weaker depth we have. One of the youths is really going to have to step it up and contribute. Like the Shark's series has shown, if our top guys are shut down, this team is easy to beat.

The problem last year was after they clinched, the entire team fell into a hole. Sutter then tried to whip them back into some form of competitive playoff shape by over playing the top guys [many didn't like this ] and it didn't work. They went into the playoff looking unprepared, out of sync and got wrecked.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

The Kings lost to the Sharks because they had something to prove after we beat them in embarrassing fashion 2 years prior, while every single player on the Kings was slumping at the worst possible time and the Sharks jumped on the Kings when they lost Martinez which made it a quick 5 game series. The Kings played really well for a majority of the season. For the playoffs, it's all about playing your best hockey at the right time. The penguins are the perfect example for this.

Obviously the Kings don't have the perfect roster and the team needs some young players to perform (Dowd, Shore, Mersch, Gravel, Forbort and McNabb especially). I don't think the Kings are the #1 contender by any means, but we have a system in place that has worked in the past, our top6 forwards are still solid even without Lucic and we still have the best defensemen in the league.

I think this season hinges on a few things:
-Gaborik needs to stay healthy
-Brown obviously needs to produce more, I think 15 goals is doable
-And McNabb absolutely needs to be more consistent
-Shore needs be more productive or else the 3rd line will just be a black hole.

it really does show what a difference it makes when guys are firing on all cylinders.

The Sharks were like the 2012 Kings for a while there, just a total buzzsaw and getting every bounce (by working for it, not suggesting blind luck) while the Kings were like the 2011 Canucks. How often will you see Kopitar get straight up beat 1-on-1 in a puck battle? How often will you see him, Doughty, AND Quick all get beat on the very same play? I don't think we even see that in the random circus regular season games. I'll take the large sample size of Conn Smythe-esque performances from our top players over the small sample size of playing with soiled shorts.

I'd suggest it's less about a flawed roster and more about the thin line between top teams. Not excusing the defensive depth after marty went down though

 

[USE Fi]

Jacob Moverare biggest weakness is his skating. So he chose to come to NA and specially OHL Mississauga Steelheads because their coach used to be LA Kings former skating coach.
Mark Yannetti: Jacob Moverare, in my opinion, he’s got the highest hockey IQ of any defenseman in the draft. Smart move in real life also.

 

[YP44]

Just enough games to have Quick burn out in the post season.

playoff schedule is soo spread out that there is more than ample rest time. Quick could play 75 games I would still expect him to be elite in the playoffs. These are professional athletes who train all year. This isn't the 80's and 90's where the offseason consists of zero skating and mostly drinking.

 

[KingsFan7824]

The problem last year was after they clinched, the entire team fell into a hole. Sutter then tried to whip them back into some form of competitive playoff shape by over playing the top guys [many didn't like this ] and it didn't work. They went into the playoff looking unprepared, out of sync and got wrecked.

They also got wrecked in the 2 regular season games at home against the Sharks. They didn't have an answer for Pavelski, Burns, and Thornton then, and they didn't have one in the playoffs either.

If they get 1 more point against the Jets and play Nashville in the 1st round, they still probably lose if they kept playing the same way, but SJ ended up being maybe the worst team for them to face. Jones, the 0-3 comeback, the top players getting spanked at home all year long by the top players on the Sharks. Who knows, if they didn't give up a 3-0 late in the 2nd against Winnipeg at home in a game to win the division, maybe they have a little bit of confidence in the playoffs.

 

[YP44]

They also got wrecked in the 2 regular season games at home against the Sharks. They didn't have an answer for Pavelski, Burns, and Thornton then, and they didn't have one in the playoffs either.

If they get 1 more point against the Jets and play Nashville in the 1st round, they still probably lose if they kept playing the same way, but SJ ended up being maybe the worst team for them to face. Jones, the 0-3 comeback, the top players getting spanked at home all year long by the top players on the Sharks. Who knows, if they didn't give up a 3-0 late in the 2nd against Winnipeg at home in a game to win the division, maybe they have a little bit of confidence in the playoffs.

in the first round there were only two teams that lost to a team that had a lower corsi then them. The kings and the preds. Robb Vollman used corsi to predict the winner of each playoff series and only got 2 or 3 wrong. It is remarkable how having a good corsi tends to help predict successful teams. LA lead the league last year, so I think there is too much doom and gloom around here.

 

[KingCanadain1976]

in the first round there were only two teams that lost to a team that had a lower corsi then them. The kings and the preds. Robb Vollman used corsi to predict the winner of each playoff series and only got 2 or 3 wrong. It is remarkable how having a good corsi tends to help predict successful teams. LA lead the league last year, so I think there is too much doom and gloom around here.

i have never agreed with you more The king team is coming off its best regular season ever Yes we ran into a hot team that made the finals nothing to be ashamed of altho i feel most of you are.