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GDT: Around the League - Stanley Cup Edition - Round #3 [Final 4]

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Jimmy Firecracker said:
Leafs could’ve avoided so much drama and narrative driving if they just f***ing bothered to show up in any one of Games 5, 6, and 7. Oh well bully for them. We didn’t tell them to play like crap.
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Imagine getting to the 3rd round only to be steamrolled by Lou's Isles who did not choke a 3-2 lead, in game 6 at home vs the Big Bad Bruins.
 
saffronleaf said:
Always nice to see the Bruins get eliminated, but sadly that means the Isles are going to the final 4.

I know JT is not to blame this year at all and deserves our sympathies, but I wonder how he feels... the Isles seem boring af but they're getting it done in the playoffs where skill matters little.

I don't think the Isles will win the Cup or get to the Finals but hey, if they do, I'll definitely be happy for whatever success comes Uncle Leo's way. Love that guy even though I don't regret moving him.
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Looouuuuuu. All Im saying, he made Devils legit.
 
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as Pure as Evil said:
well the habs success should give the gm who would have been fired another decade at the helm
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A winning GM, playing as the underdogs and buying himself more time makes sense, however for some strange inexplicable reason it seems to have extended the life of the GM on the losing end of that series playing as the heavy favouties, who really should have been fired because of it.

Montreal has won 3 playoffs series and counting in the past 2 years and their GM should have been the one fired?

We certainly can't be grading GM performance on a bell curve here. :)
 
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Mess said:
A winning GM, playing as the underdogs and buying himself more time makes sense, however for some strange inexplicable reason it seems to have extended the life of the GM on the losing end of that series playing as the heavy favouties, who really should have been fired because of it.

Montreal has won 3 playoffs series and counting in the past 2 years and their GM should have been the one fired?
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its all relative to point of view for some. some of us that are long in the tooth we have seen the leafs do what they did in the 80s 90s 00s. refusing to rebuild and keeping us locked in a state of rebuilding purgatory for a better part of a decade. in the 90s and 00s sure we had some ups and downs. but from the tail end of sundin to drafting mathews was over a decade of what ifs and bad decisions

we draft mathews bottom out in the league and havent missed the playoffs since. we made the bubble last year i consider that the same.

i cant remember another team that was the worst team in the league one year and 5 years later still havent had a speed bump besides the first round

tampa ny nj florida edmonton islanders and so many more have all stumbled. im not sure about the first couple years after the 01 draft . cant remember if the pens and caps faltered as well

sure montreal has succeeded where we failed. but where we have been consistently adapting and improving each year. minus the odd hiccups injuries and goalies forgetting how to play. we are still in a position where all of our core is under 25. with a bright future.

but with regular season success is the demand of post season success. which is why i understand all the frustration.

this is really the first year where dubas wasnt handcuffed by past contracts to do what he wanted. and he did improve the team and our record. the leash will be shorter but if you keep firing managers and coaches you end up in the same state as the oilers/sabers

but yes im saying 5 years of sustained and improving success after being the worst team in the league does by you some rope

sorry about the ramble blew my back out and am on some wild pain killers
 
The definition of "Killer Instinct"

Andrei Vasilevskiy has posted 3 straight shutouts in series clinching game opportunities, and Brayden Point has scored 3 series clinching goals during the same time.

That is how you understand these guys are Cup champs and favourites to repeat.

That is the kind of killer instinct our Leafs need.
 
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Mess said:
The definition of "Killer Instinct"

Andrei Vasilevskiy has posted 3 straight shutouts in series clinching game opportunities, and Brayden Point has scored 3 series clinching goals during the same time.

That is how you understand these guys are Cup champs and favourites to repeat.

That is the kind of killer instinct our Leafs need.
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How about killer contract negotiation skills and holdouts? :sarcasm:
 
as Pure as Evil said:
but yes im saying 5 years of sustained and improving success after being the worst team in the league does by you some rope
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Perhaps you're misremembering but your 5 year span includes the yeoman work done by the now replaced GM.

It was Lou Lam that inherited that mess, and drafted Matthews #1 overall (you know the now Rocket Richard winner, and Hart trophy finalist), and then took a last place team to the playoffs the next year against Washington, and then set a new franchise record best points and wins and hard fought loss to Boston the next.

Lou Lam did all the heavy lifting to get this ship turned around and got no rope, and was replaced with a team near the top of the standings..

You seem to be tossing our new GM a lifeline who is riding on the coattails and living off the success of his predecessor during your 5 year span window. :)

Our best playoff years were as underdogs against Washington and Boston in years #1 and #2 and our worst playoff years were as heavy favourites against lowly CBJ and Bergevin's Canadiens in years #4 and #5 on your timeline.

Matthews and Marner's most productive playoff years came under GM Lou Lam and coach Babcock in years #1 and #2 and their least and disappointing years have come under Dubas as GM and Keefe as coach in playoff years #4 and #5.

Now some would say the team and the players are trending in the wrong direction and one could use your 5 year window span to demonstrate that. Current management team now on borrowed time provided by the early success of the previous ones.
 
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Mess said:
Perhaps you're misremembering but your 5 year span includes the yeoman work done by the now replaced GM.

It was Lou Lam that inherited that mess, and drafted Matthews #1 overall and then took a last place team to the playoffs the next year against Washington, and then set a new franchise record best points and wins and hard fought loss to Boston the next.

Lou Lam did all the heavy lifting to get this ship turned around and got no rope, and was replaced with a team near the top of the standings..

You seem to be tossing our new GM a lifeline who is riding on the coattails and living off the success of his predecessor during your 5 year span window. :)

Our best playoff years were as underdogs against Washington and Boston in years #1 and #2 and our worst playoff years were as heavy favourites against lowly CBJ and Bergevin's Canadiens in years #4 and #5 on your timeline.
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to be fair its a bit of column a and b. lou stripped the team down sure. but we had no mess really by the time he was hired the the kessel trade had happened he did do alot of ltiring but he also signed some horrendous contracts that made us sacrifice the likes of kap aj brown for pretty much for a decent year of marleau and before he fell off and paying zatz like a established top 4 forever it is what it is. (in addition to dubas signing jt which made the cap space even more scarce)

in hindsight if lou doesn't trade for andersen this timeline is a lot different.

but its a bunch of what ifs and what nots.

sure lou is one of a kind and had a short run here. but everyone knew he was here as a transitional g.m to teach dubas and hunter . im sure if he wanted to stay it would have been worked out but i have a sneaking suspicion he had wanted to go to long island and work with his kid more then he wanted to stay


we got dubas now. he's drafted great made some good moves made some head scractching ones as well i still would have preferred using the jt money elsewhere but cant do anything about it now for the next couple years.
 
Mess said:
Lou Lam did all the heavy lifting to get this ship turned around and got no rope, and was replaced with a team near the top of the standings..
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What was the heavy lifting in your eyes? The 20% shot at Matthews or the starter that just lost his job?

He did have a great regular season on the back of a fantastic SO record. Worth noting we had a (much) better P% this year without the dependence on SO.

I'm really happy with them turning it around, but a lot of that was inherited pieces from the Burke/Nonis days. Matthews is a difference maker, but did Lou do something more spectacular that year to will us into the lottery balls?
 
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Isles fan only on page 7 of this thread, but the Leaf fans on the Leafs board >>>>> The Leaf fans I see on the Main. Very complimentary and insightful posts. I hope you guys make some tweaks, I’d love to see a TOR/ NYI ECF next year.
 
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Mess said:
The definition of "Killer Instinct"

Andrei Vasilevskiy has posted 3 straight shutouts in series clinching game opportunities, and Brayden Point has scored 3 series clinching goals during the same time.

That is how you understand these guys are Cup champs and favourites to repeat.

That is the kind of killer instinct our Leafs need.
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Leafs have stood firm to get the extra dollars attached to their contract in a shorter time to UFA.
Killer instinct Mess.
 
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Menzinger said:
There's no way the Habs come close to being competitive with either of these teams
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never say never. The playoffs are a huge coin flip. Hot goalies. Injuries bounces. Anything can happen. Every year teams get hot and go final 4 or final 2.

That’s why most teams say just get In and anything can happen.
 
Legion34 said:
never say never. The playoffs are a huge coin flip. Hot goalies. Injuries bounces. Anything can happen. Every year teams get hot and go final 4 or final 2.

That’s why most teams say just get In and anything can happen.
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I think that's fair. But I think the Habs will only be able to ride the hot goalie situation for so long. These two teams looks like they have the ability to fight for goals multiple ways. I'm not sure the Habs game strategy will work nearly as well there.
 
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