Around the League - PLAYOFFS!?

[Gabriel426]

This is where I'm at too.

EDIT: I had a long post written about this topic here, but it's not worth it. They won't change their minds no matter what reasoning is used. Some people just don't care about the Cup.

They will also deflect it to, well AM didn’t do well too, lol

 

[Gabriel426]

Glad Oilers are doing well. Best regular season player and best playoffs player in this new generation getting it done and being close and right there.
Really want to see all those advanced stats guys have anything to post about the Oilers. Just want to see if their advanced stats are as good as how they are performing? Esp those about top players having tough matchups….. as I want to see if I can learn any lessons.

Also I hope the Oilers win and once and for all, I won’t hear anything about AM is as good as McD and better than Drai or MM is a better overall/all around player than Drai bc he PK and plays a more defensive game….
Not that AM and MM are bad players, they are both great but they are just not as good as McD and Drai esp on games when it matters the most.

 

[Superstar]

Oilers go on a deep run, get embarrassed in the CF, next year give the eventual Cup Champs their most competitive series, declare Cup or Bust, and are now a game away from the SCF. When the Leafs get embarrassed in the playoffs they inexplicably run it back and get embarrassed again and again and again and again.

We were all laughing at the Oilers for saying “Cup or Bust” then shitting the bed to start the year. No laughing now.

Holland has done a great job building up that team...Evander Kane was there for the taking as a free wallet...Leafs could have picked him up, but Dubas liked his soft small players more...getting Hyman and Ekholm were great additions...without these players to compliment McDavid and Draisaitl, Oilers wouldn't be anywhere near this good...contrast Holland and Dubas, and you realized that Dubas is a complete fraud...Dubas single-handedly wasted precious years of this Leaf team.

 

[Jojalu]

Holland has done a great job building up that team...Evander Kane was there for the taking as a free wallet...Leafs could have picked him up, but Dubas liked his soft small players more...getting Hyman and Ekholm were great additions...without these players to compliment McDavid and Draisaitl, Oilers wouldn't be anywhere near this good...contrast Holland and Dubas, and you realized that Dubas is a complete fraud...Dubas single-handedly wasted precious years of this Leaf team.

This has never made any sense.

If Matthews, Nylander and Marner are frauds, didn't Dubas inherit a bunch of magic beans?

 

[BertCorbeau]

Edmonton played LA and Vancouver with a third string goalie in the first two rounds.. they’ve capitalized on the easiest path to the cup.

Dallas has faced Colorado and Vegas.. wonder if they’re just running out of gas.

The only thing special about the Oilers is that they have McDavid and Draisaitl

 

[ToneDog]

This has never made any sense.

If Matthews, Nylander and Marner are frauds, didn't Dubas inherit a bunch of magic beans?

He did and he bet everything and lost the battle but won the war thanks to the Pens so the story has a happy ending for his stressed out wife and kids.

 

[Peasy]

This is where I'm at too.

EDIT: I had a long post written about this topic here, but it's not worth it. They won't change their minds no matter what reasoning is used. Some people just don't care about the Cup.

Its honestly hilarious how terrified some people are of losing marner and would just prefer to keep status quo.

I can only imagine these people are deprived of seeing talent on the leafs and will do anything to keep the high end talent that they currently have even if it doesnt make sense. They would rather be comfortable during the regular season, and have a chance in the playoffs than take the necessary risks and moves that are needed for an actual contender. They are terrified of going back to the missing the playoff days.

 

[BallardEra]

Imagine your starting goalie rocking an .890 SV% like it's circa 1980s NHL era and getting to the SCF.

 

[Shooter2x]

Its honestly hilarious how terrified some people are of losing marner and would just prefer to keep status quo.

I can only imagine these people are deprived of seeing talent on the leafs and will do anything to keep the high end talent that they currently have even if it doesnt make sense. They would rather be comfortable during the regular season, and have a chance in the playoffs than take the necessary risks and moves that are needed for an actual contender. They are terrified of going back to the missing the playoff days.

This is a total bullshit account of why people don't want to lose Marner.

Marner's 5 on 5 defensive contributions can't be replaced if we lose him. He's one of the best wingers in the league at this. His line is capable of making other stars go pointless multiple games in a row.

Some of us put the team first and give in to our emotions second.

Marner is still young enough to have a playoffs or 2 where he finally hits that combo punch of D + Offence. He will be one of the deadliest players in the league when / if this occurs.

The only thing that terrifies me is if people are ready to trade him without being extremely strict of what comes back. From what I see, this place is letting emotion mask them from seeing the downgrade on the overall team build if you remove Marner from it.

What you will notice if you take the stance of putting the team build first and remove your emotion towards Marner is that you will start rejecting every trade package offered to you until you end up just running it back. That realization hits you that "damn, Marner finally figuring it out is priceless".

 

[Jojalu]

This is a total bullshit account of why people don't want to lose Marner.

Marner's 5 on 5 defensive contributions can't be replaced if we lose him. He's one of the best wingers in the league at this. His line is capable of making other stars go pointless multiple games in a row.

Some of us put the team first and give in to our emotions second.

Marner is still young enough to have a playoffs or 2 where he finally hits that combo punch of D + Offence. He will be one of the deadliest players in the league when / if this occurs.

The only thing that terrifies me is if people are ready to trade him without being extremely strict of what comes back. From what I see, this place is letting emotion mask them from seeing the downgrade on the overall team build if you remove Marner from it.

What you will notice if you take the stance of putting the team build first and remove your emotion towards Marner is that you will start rejecting every trade package offered to you until you end up just running it back. That realization hits you that "damn, Marner finally figuring it out is priceless".

While I agree in principle, I do believe it is time the Leafs shake it up.

The Leafs will never win a trade for him, but at this point they have to try something else.

If the hadn't just resigned Matthews and Nylander, then anyone of them should be made available.

 

[Peasy]

This is a total bullshit account of why people don't want to lose Marner.

Marner's 5 on 5 defensive contributions can't be replaced if we lose him. He's one of the best wingers in the league at this. His line is capable of making other stars go pointless multiple games in a row.

Some of us put the team first and give in to our emotions second.

Marner is still young enough to have a playoffs or 2 where he finally hits that combo punch of D + Offence. He will be one of the deadliest players in the league when / if this occurs.

The only thing that terrifies me is if people are ready to trade him without being extremely strict of what comes back. From what I see, this place is letting emotion mask them from seeing the downgrade on the overall team build if you remove Marner from it.

What you will notice if you take the stance of putting the team build first and remove your emotion towards Marner is that you will start rejecting every trade package offered to you until you end up just running it back. That realization hits you that "damn, Marner finally figuring it out is priceless".

Bro its been 8 years

Like I said, people would rather just keep this status quo thinking/hoping something will change rather than trying to make a change.

How did Van go from being a non-playoff team to being a top team in the league when they removed their 2C captain for just picks?

You know, sometimes a change is needed, and that change will bring results. But yeah sure, lets keep doing what we've been trying the past 8 years, its clearly working!

 

[thewave]

This is a total bullshit account of why people don't want to lose Marner.

Marner's 5 on 5 defensive contributions can't be replaced if we lose him. He's one of the best wingers in the league at this. His line is capable of making other stars go pointless multiple games in a row.

Some of us put the team first and give in to our emotions second.

Marner is still young enough to have a playoffs or 2 where he finally hits that combo punch of D + Offence. He will be one of the deadliest players in the league when / if this occurs.

The only thing that terrifies me is if people are ready to trade him without being extremely strict of what comes back. From what I see, this place is letting emotion mask them from seeing the downgrade on the overall team build if you remove Marner from it.

What you will notice if you take the stance of putting the team build first and remove your emotion towards Marner is that you will start rejecting every trade package offered to you until you end up just running it back. That realization hits you that "damn, Marner finally figuring it out is priceless".

His 5v5 defensive contributions are an exaggeration. In the PO he is a joke. Keeping joke players makes your team a joke.

Mitch should have been gone long ago.

 

[TheScandal89]

He actually wasn't a smaller prospect. He was highly touted coming in from Kingston

He was compared to Gilmour type player. He even wore his number in junior

He could never replicate those offensive number and was brought into NHL too soon

I know he was highly touted and Gilmour recommended him, but being 6 foot 180 pounds and not being able to do a single pull up gives you the image that he was weak, is what I'm saying.

"Bennett has elite talent, but his lack of size and his failure to do even one pull-up at the scouting combine means he may be one year away from playing in the NHL."

Thats directly from the scouting report, and I'm just saying he went from that to this gritty playoff warrior.

 

[Nineteen67]

This is a total bullshit account of why people don't want to lose Marner.

Marner's 5 on 5 defensive contributions can't be replaced if we lose him. He's one of the best wingers in the league at this. His line is capable of making other stars go pointless multiple games in a row.

Some of us put the team first and give in to our emotions second.

Marner is still young enough to have a playoffs or 2 where he finally hits that combo punch of D + Offence. He will be one of the deadliest players in the league when / if this occurs.

The only thing that terrifies me is if people are ready to trade him without being extremely strict of what comes back. From what I see, this place is letting emotion mask them from seeing the downgrade on the overall team build if you remove Marner from it.

What you will notice if you take the stance of putting the team build first and remove your emotion towards Marner is that you will start rejecting every trade package offered to you until you end up just running it back. That realization hits you that "damn, Marner finally figuring it out is priceless".

Even if he did, he’s still Mitchy Marner, and needs to it elsewhere.

 

[Nineteen67]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1796754259926565306

Stars have been DeBoer’d

Looks like it’s shaping up to be the first SCF I don’t watch in my lifetime. I like Florida, but we have to boycott MSPN/ABC if a Canadian team is in.

 

[BertCorbeau]

Bro its been 8 years

Like I said, people would rather just keep this status quo thinking/hoping something will change rather than trying to make a change.

How did Van go from being a non-playoff team to being a top team in the league when they removed their 2C captain for just picks?

You know, sometimes a change is needed, and that change will bring results. But yeah sure, lets keep doing what we've been trying the past 8 years, its clearly working!

For some I think it’s kind like Kadri PTSD

Marner’s talent is quite evident and some are wary of moving on from that should he figure it out in the playoffs. They’d rather hang onto that potential than not.

That’s not my belief, personally, because I think the change of scenery effect is real and being successful in one situation doesn’t mean it would be the same elsewhere.

I think it just needs to be the best return they can get.

 

[Mess]

Edmonton played LA and Vancouver with a third string goalie in the first two rounds.. they’ve capitalized on the easiest path to the cup.

Dallas has faced Colorado and Vegas.. wonder if they’re just running out of gas.

The only thing special about the Oilers is that they have McDavid and Draisaitl

and Evan Bouchard..

Their 24 year old Dman playing on his 2nd contract @ $3.9 mil has recorded in 45 career playoff games has recorded 13 goals and 51 playoff points

Leafs 27 year old winger Mitch Marner looking for a raise up fro $10.9 mil has record in 57 career playoff games has recorded 11 goals and 50 points.

Leafs top winger struggles to produce at Oilers young Dman levels in the playoffs.

 

[thewave]

and Evan Bouchard..

Their 24 year old Dman playing on his 2nd contract @ $3.9 mil has recorded in 45 career playoff games has recorded 13 goals and 51 playoff points

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Leafs 27 year old winger Mitch Marner looking for a raise up fro $10.9 mil has record in 57 career playoff games has recorded 11 goals and 50 points.

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Leafs top winger struggles to produce at Oilers young Dman levels in the playoffs.

What can we even say about this? I mean you just post it and throw your hands in the air. Maybe look at the Leafs management and shake your head.

 

[Punch Drunk Loov]

Oilers definitely capitalized on easy opponents to get them here. Good for them though.

How did the Leafs and specifically Marner perform against easy opponents like Columbus and the Habs?

Spoiler: Zero goals In 12 games

 

[TheGreenTBer]

Oilers definitely capitalized on easy opponents to get them here. Good for them though.

How did the Leafs and specifically Marner perform against easy opponents like Columbus and the Habs?

Spoiler: Zero goals In 12 games

Sure sounds like $12M/year to me

 

[IPS]

Oilers definitely capitalized on easy opponents to get them here. Good for them though.

How did the Leafs and specifically Marner perform against easy opponents like Columbus and the Habs?

Spoiler: Zero goals In 12 games

Yeah I'm convinced that we'd lose to the Senators in 7 games in this day and age too.

We're the Sharks of this era but with even less playoff success somehow. The culture built a core that is so maladaptive to playoff hockey that 5 playoff wins is probably its ceiling.

 

[Trapper]

Oilers definitely capitalized on easy opponents to get them here. Good for them though.

How did the Leafs and specifically Marner perform against easy opponents like Columbus and the Habs?

Spoiler: Zero goals In 12 games

I’m sure we just got goalied.

 

[Brobust]

Its honestly hilarious how terrified some people are of losing marner and would just prefer to keep status quo.

I can only imagine these people are deprived of seeing talent on the leafs and will do anything to keep the high end talent that they currently have even if it doesnt make sense. They would rather be comfortable during the regular season, and have a chance in the playoffs than take the necessary risks and moves that are needed for an actual contender. They are terrified of going back to the missing the playoff days.

The issue is that a lot of people assume that a Marner trade is a magic solution. Have you seen the packages being thrown around?

Frankly, it's a bit stupid to vaguely talk about a Marner trade without any proposal of what the team will look like

Oilers definitely capitalized on easy opponents to get them here. Good for them though.

How did the Leafs and specifically Marner perform against easy opponents like Columbus and the Habs?

Spoiler: Zero goals In 12 games

During the same time, the Oilers got their asses busted by similarly awful teams. I think they got swept.

 

[Nineteen67]

The issue is that a lot of people assume that a Marner trade is a magic solution. Have you seen the packages being thrown around?

Frankly, it's a bit stupid to vaguely talk about a Marner trade without any proposal of what the team will look like



During the same time, the Oilers got their asses busted by similarly awful teams. I think they got swept.

Not having Marner around will make the team more enjoyable to watch.

 

[Brobust]

Not having Marner around will make the team more enjoyable to watch.

Potentially not.