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If rask and his agent do it stragetically, that 15 team trade list effectively could be a de facto NTC. I don't see Montreal or Florida trading for him. His cap hit is too high for tampa although I think he would want to go to tampa. Kings are set and are very unlikely to want him.
 
SettlementRichie10 said:
We were only worried about how 11/12 was going because at one point there was a real risk we would miss the playoffs.

I don’t know how to respond to the rest of your Jungian psychoanalysis.

Most importantly, ask ten random hockey fans if they would rather win the President’s Trophy or win the Cup. All ten would choose the Cup. The postseason matters much, much more than the regular season, and that’s reflected in how literally every hockey fan values regular season success versus postseason success.
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Nonsense, every normal person jumps right into the trout fishing season and couldn’t care less about the playoffs ...

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SettlementRichie10 said:
We were only worried about how 11/12 was going because at one point there was a real risk we would miss the playoffs.

I don’t know how to respond to the rest of your Jungian psychoanalysis.

Most importantly, ask ten random hockey fans if they would rather win the President’s Trophy or win the Cup. All ten would choose the Cup. The postseason matters much, much more than the regular season, and that’s reflected in how literally every hockey fan values regular season success versus postseason success.
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In case anyone else is wondering what the President's Trophy even looks like, this is it. What a POS.

Word of advice: Never touch a POS.

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Stimpythecat said:
If rask and his agent do it stragetically, that 15 team trade list effectively could be a de facto NTC. I don't see Montreal or Florida trading for him. His cap hit is too high for tampa although I think he would want to go to tampa. Kings are set and are very unlikely to want him.
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Tampa Bay has 26-year old Vasilevskiy on contract for seven more seasons. Pretty sure Rask can leave them off his list as they wouldn't want him.
 
That's some ridiculous analysis, I'm sorry. Who the F cares about the regular season standings other than getting seeding for the Playoffs? You know what, the Patriots are who we should celebrate for that undefeated season. Sure they lost the Superbowl, but that regular season record should garner more respect. Let's poll those Golden State Warrior fans and ask them how many of them have t-shirts commemorating that historic 73 win season. I'm sure 9 out of 10 still have fond memories of that even though they lost in the Finals.
 
I'll bet the fans you mention above wear their Championship shirts more often and much prouder than any shirt with records that did not end in championships.
 
RaymondReddington said:
I'll bet the fans you mention above wear their Championship shirts more often and much prouder than any shirt with records that did not end in championships.
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I think the Sharks are the only club that has a "regular season champions" banner hanging from their rafters. Imagine a t-shirt with that printed on it? As a Dodgers fan, the 8 straight division titles only mean that they had 8 shots at a World Series and failed 7 times. This season TBD.
 
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KINGS17 said:
Tampa Bay has 26-year old Vasilevskiy on contract for seven more seasons. Pretty sure Rask can leave them off his list as they wouldn't want him.
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I thought that was Stimpy’s exact point. Rask can turn a 15 team list into almost a full no trade list. He could add ANA (Gibson), WPG (Hellebuyck), NYR, etc to places he’d accept a trade to. Those teams aren’t interested in him.
 
Raccoon Jesus said:
The playoffs are the championship tournament. Maybe remove it and we'll place more importance on the regular season and focus on building teams to win 82 round robin games instead of consecutive 7-game series. But then people would find a way to discount that, too.

In the meantime, the SC is the one that counts, and winning a series vs. an opponent with matchups and coaching chess matches is more impressive than winning random one-off games in December. You can't just 'get lucky' for four consecutive four-of-sevens.

And re: the Kings they got to shed that fluke label by going 10-1 in playoff series across three years losing only to the Hawks.
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Then people need to stop saying a team can/will/does get hot at the right time. You can't count on that. That's not a way to build a contender. That's hope.

SettlementRichie10 said:
We were only worried about how 11/12 was going because at one point there was a real risk we would miss the playoffs.

I don’t know how to respond to the rest of your Jungian psychoanalysis.

Most importantly, ask ten random hockey fans if they would rather win the President’s Trophy or win the Cup. All ten would choose the Cup. The postseason matters much, much more than the regular season, and that’s reflected in how literally every hockey fan values regular season success versus postseason success.
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I'm not saying the playoffs don't matter more, but it's just easy for us now to dismiss those regular seasons. They were a team "built for the playoffs", they understood what they needed to do, etc. Those sorts of phrases might be a little Jungian themselves. In 2012, it was a franchise that hadn't won a playoff series since 2001. In 2013, outclassed by Chicago. In 2014, a team that "knows what they're doing" probably doesn't put themselves behind the 8 ball as much as they did in the first 2-3 games of the playoffs, leaving themselves no margin for error.

In the cap era, only 2 teams outside the top 10 overall won, the 12 Kings, and 19 Blues. The average finish of all 15 winners is 5.7th place. Take out the two outliers, and the average finish is 4.6th place.

The Kings take up 2 of the 3 lowest spots on the list, with a 9th place and 13th place finish, sandwiching the Blues 12th place in 2019. Maybe that proves that that particular team knew what to do, and when to do it, more than others around the league, but the majority of winners usually also win during the regular season. You find out who the men are in the playoffs, but we're fortunate that we can dismiss anything that happened during those regular seasons as nothing but a blip on the screen.
 
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Sleeping Dog said:
I thought that was Stimpy’s exact point. Rask can turn a 15 team list into almost a full no trade list. He could add ANA (Gibson), WPG (Hellebuyck), NYR, etc to places he’d accept a trade to. Those teams aren’t interested in him.
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Ah, okay my bad.
 
KingsFan7824 said:
Then people need to stop saying a team can/will/does get hot at the right time. You can't count on that. That's not a way to build a contender. That's hope.

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I tend to agree. But I think that's only emphasizing the point--that intangibles like 'raised performance' and the ability to not crack under the pressure of the 7 games series reveal themselves in the playoffs in a way they never could in the regular season. Goalie getting dialed in like Quick? Maybe he does his homework, is a video monster, thrives on seeing the same guys night after night? Needs emotional engagement and some hate, maybe? Justin Williams going HAM in game 7s can easily be handwaved as 'luck,' but how does it keep happening? Also that era Kings were a team that thrived on physical contact and engagement, which is obviously ramped up in the playoffs, too. Etc. I think people too easily dismiss those as 'luck' or 'getting hot.'

Obviously it's insanely hard to win in the playoffs, so you need good team construction to survive the regular season, of course, but the 'built for the playoffs' qualities DO emerge, and yes, you need a little luck sometimes too (no injuries, a bounce, etc.). Obviously hope isn't a strategy though. and it's not part of the plan to, say, fall down 3-0 against a powerhouse team. But it also exposes what your team can and can't do.
 
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Raccoon Jesus said:
I tend to agree. But I think that's only emphasizing the point--that intangibles like 'raised performance' and the ability to not crack under the pressure of the 7 games series reveal themselves in the playoffs in a way they never could in the regular season. Goalie getting dialed in like Quick? Maybe he does his homework, is a video monster, thrives on seeing the same guys night after night? Needs emotional engagement and some hate, maybe? Justin Williams going HAM in game 7s can easily be handwaved as 'luck,' but how does it keep happening? Also that era Kings were a team that thrived on physical contact and engagement, which is obviously ramped up in the playoffs, too. Etc. I think people too easily dismiss those as 'luck' or 'getting hot.'

Obviously it's insanely hard to win in the playoffs, so you need good team construction to survive the regular season, of course, but the 'built for the playoffs' qualities DO emerge, and yes, you need a little luck sometimes too (no injuries, a bounce, etc.). Obviously hope isn't a strategy though.
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The amount and level of physical play is something those Kings teams always turned up to high in the playoffs. A team can't play an 82-game regular season with the level of physicality the Kings employed during the playoffs.
 
Stimpythecat said:
If rask and his agent do it stragetically, that 15 team trade list effectively could be a de facto NTC. I don't see Montreal or Florida trading for him. His cap hit is too high for tampa although I think he would want to go to tampa. Kings are set and are very unlikely to want him.
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Tuukka Rask will no longer have a no-movement clause come Friday.


Rask is entering his last year of his contract and while he had a limited no-movement clause, it will expire with the start of his final year. There have been rumors that the Bruins are testing the waters with other teams as to a potential Rask deal but that remains to be seen. Rask is a top-three NHL goaltender and the return would have to be outstanding for the 33-year-old netminder who was 26-8-6 with a 2.12 GAA, and .929 save percentage in 41 starts in 2019-20.

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Arizona gonna Arizona. What a terrible trade that was from the start. But hey, at least they won a play-in series. Didn't even win the draft lottery. Fail.
 
Hall will draw interest. He wants to sign with a contnder, so GM's should take note. I read about a month ago or so, he be willing to sign for 1 yr with a contender, and roll the dice in FA , hoping by then COVID won't be in position to keep the CAP frozen. IF so, the AVs would be a good fit.

Am also curious how the Laine situation ends up, TSN said last week, over a dozen teams had ineterest. However, Jets asking price is steep. (rumor 1st rounder, top 2 d , top center prospect or 2 1xt rounders , top 4 d and center prospect, didn't say who or what would come back with Laine)
Flyers are supposed to be one of the teams 'with interest', which given what I've heard (Ghost, 1st, MOrgan Frost , Nolan Patrick) is disappointing. Frost should not go anywhere, he is going to be a top center and has been groomed for 2nd line. Haywe was the stop gap, for 2 years or so, till Frost was ready, and on bad paper from Fletcher. Was not a fan of the contract and not a fan of Hayes. Hope they drop off. Also heard he's talking to the leafs (Nylander) who he wanted when he was in Minny.

So disappointing to have Fletcher and AV. Team won't have Cup success with them at the helm.
 
kingsboy11 said:
Yeah this is one I'd really like ask Lombardi. Hickey and to a lesser extent Teubert I understand at the time, but Forbort over Tarasenko? Surely by that time we had built up our defensive core by that point with Hickey, Doughty, Martinez, and Voynov in the system.
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I think there were issues about where he was going to play, either the NHL or the KHL and it scared a lot of teams away. It was a risky pick, that's why he dropped. We had the luxery of drafting a High School dman and waiting 7 years for him to play.:thumbu:
 
I hope JMFJ signs with somewhere. Just not the kings.

The years that were bought out were as I understand it the years he finally got to keep all his salary and not share it with his creditors from his bankruptcy.

Ouch.
 
I’d take Johnson back in LA for one year if we are planning on tanking. He would lead the charge.
 
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