Around the league part 2

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Raccoon Jesus

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I would love to see the long term on money actually spent on McDavid/Draisaitl vs. marketing dollars brought in from them, I'm sure in a canadian market it's awesome for them
 

Steve Zissou

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Feb 3, 2006
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kingsfan28

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I don't think Edmonton had a choice either way. You'd have to perform master-class trade to move Draisaitl during a make-or-break year as a rental and have those pieces in return be exactly what you need to get the team over the hump and working for you right now. If you don't, then you risk him walking for nothing and/or if you do lose him or miss this upcoming playoffs then you may also likely lose McDavid and all hope for the future.

The only option was to offer him a blank check and keep him. Of course, by doing so, they are guaranteed to eat some declined seasons in a handful of years all while now being locked in with three players earning ~$40M/season. They are going to need some magical complimentary players to make it all work. This season is kind of all-or-nothing still in my mind.

It's sort of like their version of Crosby/Malkin, but without the other talent around them. The Pens had those exceptional years of drafting 2 top centers, a goalie, a dman and others that helped them win championships.
 

johnjm22

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I would love to see the long term on money actually spent on McDavid/Draisaitl vs. marketing dollars brought in from them, I'm sure in a canadian market it's awesome for them
I'd be curious as well, but it's probably one of those things that's difficult to quantify.

Edmonton is an extremely small market. 1.4M metro area population (1M city). Only Winnipeg and Buffalo are smaller.
 
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Steve Zissou

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Steve Zissou

I'll order you a red cap and a Speedo.
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Digging the subtle orange/red in the eye of the logo. Really nice touch.

Not sure how that design esthetic slipped everyone's mind for the past decade.

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Herby

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Feb 27, 2002
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And another one signs the common-sense, win/win deal.

QB probably would have signed for $7 million, so the Kings ended up saving about $800k in cap space over the next five seasons. In exchange, they gave up team control of QB during his age 27, 28, and 29 seasons. But hey, no big deal, those aren't productive or prime years for a player or anything. Another master-class performance.
 

Kurrilino

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Aug 6, 2005
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I dunno....isn't thiis the SAME EXACT scenario LA was in with Kopitar, except, Kopitar had won 2 cups first? LA gets absolutely BLASTED by some on here for making that deal, and now EDM does it and it was the only thing they could do? Interesting...
Not sure i would compare Kopitar and the Edmonton top guys.
Kopi doesn't even score half of those guys.
The Kings would need more than 2 Kopitars match which would be a price tag of 20+ Mill
Edmonton gets the better deal here even if they sign for 15Mill or whatever the league max is at that point
 

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Not sure i would compare Kopitar and the Edmonton top guys.
Kopi doesn't even score half of those guys.
The Kings would need more than 2 Kopitars match which would be a price tag of 20+ Mill
Edmonton gets the better deal here even if they sign for 15Mill or whatever the league max is at that point
You only judge Kopitar on goals and assists, that’s all you ever bang on about. He is an elite 2 way player and was the 1C on two cup teams. As good as the other two are they still haven’t won because their roster is too top heavy. Kopitar is getting fair money for what he delivers, we lack more scoring on the roster but Kopitars deal isn’t the issue.
 

DoktorJeep

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You only judge Kopitar on goals and assists, that’s all you ever bang on about. He is an elite 2 way player and was the 1C on two cup teams. As good as the other two are they still haven’t won because their roster is too top heavy. Kopitar is getting fair money for what he delivers, we lack more scoring on the roster but Kopitars deal isn’t the issue.
You forget he was paid much less when he was a 1C on two cup teams. And zero playoff series wins since he made more and did worse.
 
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mysterman2

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And another one signs the common-sense, win/win deal.

QB probably would have signed for $7 million, so the Kings ended up saving about $800k in cap space over the next five seasons. In exchange, they gave up team control of QB during his age 27, 28, and 29 seasons. But hey, no big deal, those aren't productive or prime years for a player or anything. Another master-class performance.

And you just know in the final year or two of that deal, Blake(if hes still around) will sign someone to a big deal that will totally handcuff his ability to resign QB.
 
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BaileyFan

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And another one signs the common-sense, win/win deal.

QB probably would have signed for $7 million, so the Kings ended up saving about $800k in cap space over the next five seasons. In exchange, they gave up team control of QB during his age 27, 28, and 29 seasons. But hey, no big deal, those aren't productive or prime years for a player or anything. Another master-class performance.
In this case I’d guess anything beyond five years was a dealbreaker for QB’s camp. You’d have to be insane to commit eight years to the Kings right now especially with Blake still in charge.

Two years minimum (but more likely three, when Doughty expires) from even starting a rebuild. Then let’s say they half ass it again and do another three year “rebuild or retool or whatever” as Luc called it. Now you’re looking at MAYBE sneaking into the playoffs as a bubble team in year seven at the earliest. I can see why a guy who’s already 22 wouldn’t want to sign a deal with a team on that trajectory that would put him at free agency on the wrong side of 30.
 

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You forget he was paid much less when he was a 1C on two cup teams. And zero playoff series wins since he made more and did worse.
I have not forgotten anything. I’m just saying his deals aren’t the problem.

Bad trades, a shortened rebuild and bad contracts elsewhere have blocked our success more than us having one of the best two way C’s in the last generation. The other being Bergeron.
 

Schmooley

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In this case I’d guess anything beyond five years was a dealbreaker for QB’s camp. You’d have to be insane to commit eight years to the Kings right now especially with Blake still in charge.

Two years minimum (but more likely three, when Doughty expires) from even starting a rebuild. Then let’s say they half ass it again and do another three year “rebuild or retool or whatever” as Luc called it. Now you’re looking at MAYBE sneaking into the playoffs as a bubble team in year seven at the earliest. I can see why a guy who’s already 22 wouldn’t want to sign a deal with a team on that trajectory that would put him at free agency on the wrong side of 30.
This is doubtful. No player is turning down maximum dollar long term deals. Even if its with a bottom feeder team that drafted the player. There are teams worse than the Kings locking up players. The only players of this caliber that leave early are when they want out of cities like Winnipeg/Columbus or are traded due to character issues.
The players probably dont care about rebuilds and take the guaranteed money.
Byfields contract is the median between a short term show me deal and the long term maximum deal all his peers are getting. All laid out in a timeframe and dollar structure to maximize the chance of winning while Kopitar and Doughty are still playing with little regard for the years after.
 

johnjm22

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And another one signs the common-sense, win/win deal.

QB probably would have signed for $7 million, so the Kings ended up saving about $800k in cap space over the next five seasons. In exchange, they gave up team control of QB during his age 27, 28, and 29 seasons. But hey, no big deal, those aren't productive or prime years for a player or anything. Another master-class performance.
There's people around here who actually think the Byfield contract was good.
 

lumbergh

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There's people around here who actually think the Byfield contract was good.
I think the contract was good. Win-win for both sides. Good AAV for a decent amount of time; great deal for the Kings for its duration if Byfield continues to develop into 1C. Byfield signed his last contract before unrestricted free agency, so if he continues to develop into 1C, he can sign a mega-contract when this deal is over. Makes sense for Byfield too. Good motivation on all sides for Byfield to become successful.

There's people around here who play armchair GM thinking that there's only one side to negotiating a contract. Like Byfield and his agent will agree to whatever they think is appropriate for the Kings. Maybe Byfield didn't want to sign for 8 years and give up an extra 3 years of UFA?

Say if he goes $8Mx8Y, that's $64M. Say he becomes the point-per-game player we all want him to be in year 3 of the deal. Next big deal he signs is gonna be 4-5 years away.

$6.25x5Y is $31.25M. His next deal in 5 years might be $12-13M AAV if he matures into PPG 1C. He makes up the difference for the 3 years and he can sign his mega deal while he's 26, not 29. There's a big difference there.

Not unreasonable on both sides, in my opinion.
 

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I think the contract was good. Win-win for both sides. Good AAV for a decent amount of time; great deal for the Kings for its duration if Byfield continues to develop into 1C. Byfield signed his last contract before unrestricted free agency, so if he continues to develop into 1C, he can sign a mega-contract when this deal is over. Makes sense for Byfield too. Good motivation on all sides for Byfield to become successful.

There's people around here who play armchair GM thinking that there's only one side to negotiating a contract. Like Byfield and his agent will agree to whatever they think is appropriate for the Kings. Maybe Byfield didn't want to sign for 8 years and give up an extra 3 years of UFA?

Say if he goes $8Mx8Y, that's $64M. Say he becomes the point-per-game player we all want him to be in year 3 of the deal. Next big deal he signs is gonna be 4-5 years away.

$6.25x5Y is $31.25M. His next deal in 5 years might be $12-13M AAV if he matures into PPG 1C. He makes up the difference for the 3 years and he can sign his mega deal while he's 26, not 29. There's a big difference there.

Not unreasonable on both sides, in my opinion.
There’s lots to hate with BLuc but I was ok with the deal for similar reasons.
 

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