Around the league part 2

[KingsHockey24]

Tanev deal just crushed any chance of LA getting a 1st for Roy....

Not really.

Roy is younger and better than Tanev. He could probably get a 1st +

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

Not really.

Roy is younger and better than Tanev. He could probably get a 1st +

Younger yes....better...debatable

 

[Statto]

Never knew this was a pen:

You’re aging yourself (maybe). Basically they can only leave the ice if they cross the red line and cannot get involved. It’s the same premise if they cross it to get in fight (although worded differently). The fighting one is a penalty anyone over 40 has seen many times

 

[YP44]

Tanev deal just crushed any chance of LA getting a 1st for Roy....

Would you rather have Roy or Tanev in your lineup? Tanev is a good defensive d-man but he is over hyped because he plays north of the border.

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

Would you rather have Roy or Tanev in your lineup? Tanev is a good defensive d-man but he is over hyped because he plays north of the border.

In this lineup? Tanev, 100% of the time.

 

[tigermask48]

You’re aging yourself (maybe). Basically they can only leave the ice if they cross the red line and cannot get involved. It’s the same premise if they cross it to get in fight (although worded differently). The fighting one is a penalty anyone over 40 has seen many times

I've always wanted to see two goalies skate to and straddle the red line, and throw punches just to see how it would be ruled. See if it turns into a wrestling match trying force your opponent over the red line.

 

[YP44]

In this lineup? Tanev, 100% of the time.

he is the matt greene/Rob Scuderi type that LA is missing.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Would you rather have Roy or Tanev in your lineup? Tanev is a good defensive d-man but he is over hyped because he plays north of the border.

Tanev is a proper and proven #2 dman. I'm not convinced Roy would hold that down in similar manner.

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

he is the matt greene/Rob Scuderi type that LA is missing.

Like I said, in this lineup, 100% you already have Roy in Gavrikov etc

 

[YP44]

Tanev is a proper and proven #2 dman. I'm not convinced Roy would hold that down in similar manner.

Tanev is not a #2. Neither is Roy.

They are both legit 2nd pair defensemen if that is what you are meaning.

 

[Herby]

Goals tonight.

Patrick Kane
Zach Parise x2
Anze Kopitar
Drew Doughty
Joe Pavelski
Alex Pietrangelo

 

[apadilla]

Helenius is having a great year - he has 8 goals in 44 games. He plays a key role in the penalty kill - basically went from the 4th line center to the 3rd line center.

He's tough and nasty - pushes other teams players after face offs and is always yapping. He def plays tougher when Doty and Hodgson are in the line-up so he has some back up. I heard he spent this past summer training with Jeremy Clarke - who is a Kings scout, who owns an MMA gym in Minnesota - players like Nick Seeler also train there.

Helenius had a few good fights this year and already looks way better than he did last year. Stoll is a big fan of his, if you listen to interviews. 4 fights this year and 7 last year.

Likely, he will be a King in the 2025-6 season and possibly get a look next season - 2024-5.

Samuel once mentioned Brian Boyle as someone he patterned his game after, but he's way nastier and meaner and Boyle could barely fight. I would say he's a cross between Boyle and his own father (a D man), Sami.

He just turned 21, so he's really young still.

Thanks to you and ru4reals (earlier) for the info. I go to hockeyfights.com to see bouts in the NHL and AHL. For Helenius, I see their he has 1 preseason fight and 1 regular season fight (Geertsen on 12/31) this season. Would you happen to know of another site that would show his other fights? Thanks again!

 

[Herby]

Stankoven looks like another homerun pick for Dallas, was dominant in the AHL as a 20 year old first-year pro and looking the part in the NHL so far. He looked like an NHL scoring line player when I saw him play a couple of weeks ago in the AHL. Imagine Blake Lizotte's gritty style with Mike Cammalleri's shot and scoring instincts.

Dallas scouts deserve a lot of credit, check out this drafting since 2017

Heiskanen - #3 OA
Oettinger - #26 OA
Robertson - #39 OA
Harley - #18 OA
Johnston - #23 OA
Stankoven - #47 OA

Very impressive results for a team with only one high pick, that has been competitive (6 playoff series wins in last 5 seasons) while turning ownership over to younger players.

 

[GameNight]

Stankoven looks like another homerun pick for Dallas, was dominant in the AHL as a 20 year old first-year pro and looking the part in the NHL so far. He looked like an NHL scoring line player when I saw him play a couple of weeks ago in the AHL. Imagine Blake Lizotte's gritty style with Mike Cammalleri's shot and scoring instincts.

Dallas scouts deserve a lot of credit, check out this drafting since 2017

Heiskanen - #3 OA
Oettinger - #26 OA
Robertson - #39 OA
Harley - #18 OA
Johnston - #23 OA
Stankoven - #47 OA

Very impressive results for a team with only one high pick, that has been competitive (6 playoff series wins in last 5 seasons) while turning ownership over to younger players.

Dallas in 4?

 

[kovacro]

Stankoven looks like another homerun pick for Dallas, was dominant in the AHL as a 20 year old first-year pro and looking the part in the NHL so far. He looked like an NHL scoring line player when I saw him play a couple of weeks ago in the AHL. Imagine Blake Lizotte's gritty style with Mike Cammalleri's shot and scoring instincts.

Dallas scouts deserve a lot of credit, check out this drafting since 2017

Heiskanen - #3 OA
Oettinger - #26 OA
Robertson - #39 OA
Harley - #18 OA
Johnston - #23 OA
Stankoven - #47 OA

Very impressive results for a team with only one high pick, that has been competitive (6 playoff series wins in last 5 seasons) while turning ownership over to younger players.

Their drafting pedigree also helped them land Tanev as they sent Grushnikov (#48 OA - 2021) to Calgary as part of that trade. He's got top 4 potential.

Wyatt Johnston has been fantastic since jumping from the OHL directly to the NHL. He and Will Cuylle were a dangerous pair with Windsor and both going to carve out solid pro careers.

Still pumped we traded our 2nd round pick for Lias Andersson in 2020 . That pick was used to select Cuylle. That's the type of player the Kings could have used in a bottom 6 role. He's had a strong rookie year. Physical presence, not scared to get into the dirty spots and will chip in offensively.

 

[kovacro]

Church of Latter-day Saints supports legislation to help bring NHL to Salt Lake City | TSN

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, one of the largest property owners in Salt Lake City, has voiced its support of legislation to help bring an NHL team to the Utah capital.

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Business may be starting to pick up in advance of the deadline. For those who missed it from lastnight.

Toronto Maple Leafs acquire D Ilya Lyubushkin from Anaheim Ducks for third-round pick | TSN

The Toronto Maple Leafs have acquired defenceman Ilya Lyubushkin from the Anaheim Ducks in exchange for a 2025 third-round pick. The Ducks will retain 50 per cent of Lyubushkin's salary, the Carolina Hurricanes will receive a 2024 sixth-round pick to retain an additional 50 per cent of the...

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These past two deals have had a 3rd team to help broker the transaction. Guessing we will see more of these types of deals in the coming days. Weaponize that cap space if you have it.

 

[Johnny Utah]

Devils pick up MacDermid - wow. Rempe is done now.

 

[KingsHockey24]

Devils pick up MacDermid - wow. Rempe is done now.

NJ plays the Rangers twice more to end the season.

 

[Johnny Utah]

Didn't realize Kurtis is a UFA also. Will be 30 years old soon - wow time flies.

I remember in 2013ish I was at a Kings-Ducks rookie camp game in Anaheim and Ross Johnston (on a try out) made quick work of Kurtis.

Then a few years later Kurtis learned to fight and started destroying guys.

 

[Brodeur]

Not that I love the trade by any means, but I find myself talking some Devils fans off a ledge about giving up a 7th rounder.

Dallas scouts deserve a lot of credit, check out this drafting since 2017

Heiskanen - #3 OA
Oettinger - #26 OA
Robertson - #39 OA

Little bit of luck also helps out. Apparently Philly's scouts wanted Heiskanen at #2 but Hextall overruled them for Nolan Patrick. Not sure if Dallas would have taken Patrick/Makar.

Florida was set to take Robertson at #40. Maybe a puck bounce the other way and Florida is picking in front of Dallas.

 

[tny760]

Apparently Philly's scouts wanted Heiskanen at #2 but Hextall overruled them for Nolan Patrick.

brutal.

 

[Brodeur]

brutal.

I'll admit that I wanted the Devils to take Patrick #1 that year.

My fun split room "what if" is San Jose in 1993. Their owner fired GM Jack Ferreira after their first year. Instead of appointing a replacement, they set up a co-GM setup between Dean Lombardi, Chuck Grillo, and George Kingston.

Sharks had the #2 pick after being out tanked by Ottawa. Some scouts wanted Chris Pronger. Other scouts wanted Paul Kariya. But Grillo was adamant that they take Viktor Kozlov.

Bonus "what if": Quebec was hosting that draft and really wanted Pronger to go with Sakic/Sundin/Forsberg/Nolan/etc. They offered something centered around Mike Ricci and #10, but the pick was too late to guarantee Kozlov, so San Jose turned it down. Quebec tried to get #3 from Tampa and then would have flipped spots with San Jose but that didn't work.

At some point Quebec's owner tried to negotiate directly with San Jose's owner which infuriated Dean Lombardi. We were only a year removed from Quebec trading Eric Lindros twice, so they didn't have the best reputation.

Just as the draft is about to begin, Quebec makes a bombshell offer: The rights to Peter Forsberg straight up for the #2 pick.

After the draft, Lombardi vented to the press about how he would have done that deal contingent on signing Forsberg. Problem was that the 1988-94 CBA permitted unsigned European draft picks to sign offer sheets after a certain amount of time. In the summer of 1992, Teemu Selanne signed one with Calgary (included a 1.5 mil signing bonus) that Winnipeg begrudgingly matched. The rumor was that Forsberg might get a 4-5 mil signing bonus.

Since Quebec waited until the last minute, Lombardi had no time to contact Forsberg's agent.

Lombardi couldn't take the chance on having to match a bloated offer sheet, so he traded down with Hartford and got Kozlov at #6. Dean got full autonomy in 1996 and traded Kozlov while he still had value in 1997. But interesting to know that the Sharks could have walked out of that draft with Pronger/Kariya/Forsberg but ended up with Kozlov.

 

[Herby]

I'll admit that I wanted the Devils to take Patrick #1 that year.

My fun split room "what if" is San Jose in 1993. Their owner fired GM Jack Ferreira after their first year. Instead of appointing a replacement, they set up a co-GM setup between Dean Lombardi, Chuck Grillo, and George Kingston.

Sharks had the #2 pick after being out tanked by Ottawa. Some scouts wanted Chris Pronger. Other scouts wanted Paul Kariya. But Grillo was adamant that they take Viktor Kozlov.

Bonus "what if": Quebec was hosting that draft and really wanted Pronger to go with Sakic/Sundin/Forsberg/Nolan/etc. They offered something centered around Mike Ricci and #10, but the pick was too late to guarantee Kozlov, so San Jose turned it down. Quebec tried to get #3 from Tampa and then would have flipped spots with San Jose but that didn't work.

At some point Quebec's owner tried to negotiate directly with San Jose's owner which infuriated Dean Lombardi. We were only a year removed from Quebec trading Eric Lindros twice, so they didn't have the best reputation.

Just as the draft is about to begin, Quebec makes a bombshell offer: The rights to Peter Forsberg straight up for the #2 pick.

After the draft, Lombardi vented to the press about how he would have done that deal contingent on signing Forsberg. Problem was that the 1988-94 CBA permitted unsigned European draft picks to sign offer sheets after a certain amount of time. In the summer of 1992, Teemu Selanne signed one with Calgary (included a 1.5 mil signing bonus) that Winnipeg begrudgingly matched. The rumor was that Forsberg might get a 4-5 mil signing bonus.

Since Quebec waited until the last minute, Lombardi had no time to contact Forsberg's agent.

Lombardi couldn't take the chance on having to match a bloated offer sheet, so he traded down with Hartford and got Kozlov at #6. Dean got full autonomy in 1996 and traded Kozlov while he still had value in 1997. But interesting to know that the Sharks could have walked out of that draft with Pronger/Kariya/Forsberg but ended up with Kozlov.

Kozlov was definitely a guy that Dean would have enamored with, at least until he saw his work ethic, and that is probably why Koz didn't last long in San Jose, that guy was an enigma for sure, 6'5 with the skills he had, but the guy just didn't have the heart.

So many teams have to have serious what-ifs with Kopitar, I would say anywhere after #5 he was discussed. San Jose (Setoguchi), Vancouver (Bourdon), Ottawa (Lee) all probably would have won Stanley Cups had they drafted Kopitar. Even crazier is Chicago, could you imagine if Chicago had gone Kopitar/Toews/Kane in back to back drafts. If you put Kopitar in Chicago and take him away from LA (a team who denied Chicago in 2014) I think the Hawks may have had a legit Oilers style dynasty in the 2010's, even more so than they already did.

I still can't believe LA was able to get Kopitar where they did, he had the skill, the size, you have to figure he interviewed well, he looked great in a premier development league for the NHL too.

Andy Murray has said before that Kopitar was one of if not the best player in the 2005 camp for the Kings, and had they been able to keep him instead of sending him back to Sweden for one more year that he may never have lost his job.

 

[FSL KINGS]

NJ getting Ducked!! 4:2 ducks, 6 min to go.

Autocorrect is trying to get me banned. "Ducks! Ducks I say"

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

I've gotta say if there's a guy who would do this is definitely Vatrano