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[Just A Bit Outside]

Nucks d got a “She’s All That” style makeover in a matter of a week.

 

[Bubbles]

Job's not done, Allvin, one more to go:

 

[Agent007]

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Dom has the Canucks at 81% chance of making the playoffs, Flames at 22%.

Interesting thing there is he’s got us going something like 18-11 over the final 29 games while Calgary goes 14-14-1

 

[Canucker]

I mean it’s simple isn’t it. If a tendon is inflamed and you keep loading it, it’s not going to get better.
Reading about it and also having gone through something similar, you have to train muscle around it to take the load off so the tendon can return to normal and then you continue to build muscles to build strength around it.
Problem is if it’s mid season, how the hell can he build muscle to alleviate the load? We know NHL players lose muscle through the season because of how rigorous it is. If anything he was probably losing muscle while playing though the injury and actually adding more load to the tendon and making it even worse.

Sure, but we are speculating as to the severity of the tendonitis and whether or not he actually healed over the summer…im taking him at his word that he felt good when he came to camp.

 

[mriswith]

Occam's razor. I don't believe that EP40, the coach, the GM, the president, are all wrong and are forcing a player to play over resting and becoming 100% for a late run and to allow him to play in this tournament aggravating this debilitating injury.

1st of all, no one is forcing anyone to play nor has anyone said that. Athletes are stupid when it comes to how they treat their bodies during the season. Henrik chopped off part of his finger to avoid missing a few weeks... of regular season hockey... in Modo during the lockout.

Other than that.... You mean like the exact same sequence of events we literally just saw Mikheyev go through except the games he played in were even more meaningless than 4 nations?

Occam's razor is that we believe the player when he talked about his injury and how it effected his season and offseason training.

Occam's razor is also that the medical staff and mgmt repeat a f***up they have already made than assume they totally learned and do a 180 from a huge track record and their own public statements proving otherwise.

 

[iago]

Seravalli is like Dhaliwhal. Has some inside connections but his opinion on hockey should be taken with a grain of salt.

I take everything Seravalli says witha grain of salt - much of his stuff sounds like he made it up about 10 seconds before it's printed.

 

[racerjoe]

The logic seems to be that Pettersson has no agency in any decision regarding his health and whether to play and/or doesn’t have access to other doctors or medical advice, which isn’t substantiated by anything, really.

We’ve seen lots of top player’s get second opinions on team medical advice when they don’t agree or trust it. Pettersson hasn’t done this.

Who’s to say he hasn’t, and it’s like the buffalo and Eichel incident, let’s hope it doesn’t get to that.

I am sure there is lots we don’t know. However we have seen management not know how to handle so many injuries… it seems likely they screwed this one up too.

 

[Burke's Evil Spirit]

Yeah, I was a bit worried his value was going to continue to tank so they may as well move him but if he can play like he did last night in a reduced role he will be fine.

Yep, and given that the UFA D market is going to be bone dry (I expect most of Gavrikov/Provorov/Chychrun to re-sign) I suspect he'll have solid value in the summer.

 

[Hodgy]

Yep, and given that the UFA D market is going to be bone dry (I expect most of Gavrikov/Provorov/Chychrun to re-sign) I suspect he'll have solid value in the summer.

Optically, it also helps when you are pushed down/out by better defensemen, rather than just sucking.

 

[mriswith]

I see no real reason to dump Soucy at the moment. Trade him if there's a reason to reallocate his cap hit and roster spot to a forward but, otherwise, he's a good buffer that prevents Juulsen getting into the line-up.

Moving him in the off-season makes sense. Especially if D-Petey can continue his advancement.

I didn't believe he was actually on the block but I was ready to be very frustrated if that was true, he got dealt and it meant that Juulsen drew back in.

Once Willander is established and the NTC weakens he can go.

 

[TraderJim]

1st of all, no one is forcing anyone to play nor has anyone said that. You really like to twist people's words don't you, you been doing it almost every post. Athletes are stupid when it comes to their long term health, Henrik chopped off part of his finger to avoid missing a few weeks... of regular season hockey... in Modo during the lockout.

Other than that.... You mean like the exact same sequence of events we literally just saw Mikheyev go through except the games he played in were even more meaningless than 4 nations?

Occam's razor is that we believe the player when he talked about his injury and how it effected his season and offseason training.

Occam's razor is also that the medical staff and mgmt repeat a f***up they have already made than assume they totally learned and do a 180 from a huge track record and their own public statements proving otherwise.

Twisting words, shouting, being a conspiracist, using EP40 as a "sin eater". Boy I've been busy. Can't wait to see what else I've done.

I guess we'll just have to wait and see what happens. I'm pretty sure that he won't be on the team next season anyway so this is all for nothing.

 

[arttk]

Sure, but we are speculating as to the severity of the tendonitis and whether or not he actually healed over the summer…im taking him at his word that he felt good when he came to camp.

I think feeling good and having condition be up to par can be different things. Like I said.

Play injured -> lose strength -> workout and recover -> get strength back to where it was

All these things take time. We don’t know how long recovery took/takes. If you look at academic papers about it, pro athletes with tendonitis usually take a full calendar year to fully recover. So even if he is fully recovered, building muscles and getting strength is a somewhat separate process.

 

[VanillaCoke]

I think his model puts more weight into our performance from last season and/or it really dislikes Calgary's roster.

Just checked and cgy schedule is worse, seemingly higher qoc and more/longer roadtrips to the east, 22% still seems low but I'd definitely give the canucks the best shot outta the three (cgy&LAK).

 

[mriswith]

Twisting words, shouting, being a conspiracist, using EP40 as a "sin eater". Boy I've been busy. Can't wait to see what else I've done.

I guess we'll just have to wait and see what happens. I'm pretty sure that he won't be on the team next season anyway so this is all for nothing.

I would also choose replying like this twice in a row to dodge defending the medical staff. Wise choice.

 

[TraderJim]

I would also choose replying like this twice in a row to dodge defending the medical staff. Wise choice.

Medical staff is shit. You happy? Doesn't change anything.

 

[Hodgy]

Posters seem pretty certain that our medical staff is garbage while also lacking any medical expertise and the actual information to draw any conclusions one way or another, or even the general context of evaluating medical practitioners at large let alone for a professional hockey team. Not saying our medical staff is good or isn’t bad, but let’s at least acknowledge that we at HF are not going to be in a position to conclude with any certainty either way.

 

[racerjoe]

Sure, but we are speculating as to the severity of the tendonitis and whether or not he actually healed over the summer…im taking him at his word that he felt good when he came to camp.

And most of us are also taking him at his word that his off season training was affected

 

[Reverend Mayhem]

Petey's in the eye of the storm, now.

 

[Canucker]

I think feeling good and having condition be up to par can be different things. Like I said.

Play injured -> lose strength -> workout and recover -> get strength back to where it was

All these things take time. We don’t know how long recovery took/takes. If you look at academic papers about it, pro athletes with tendonitis usually take a full calendar year to fully recover. So even if he is fully recovered, building muscles and getting strength is a somewhat separate process.

Well…I think speculation is the name of the game here, nobody really knows anything other than EP isn’t playing up to his earlier levels….some people think its injury related, some think its a combination of things…the way I see it we have a limited time to decide whether we need to cut bait on him before his NMC kicks in and im leaning heavily towards moving on from him…i can understand why some people still have faith, totally get it, but im not sure he’ll ever be worth $11.6m.

 

[supercanuck]

Interesting thing there is he’s got us going something like 18-11 over the final 29 games while Calgary goes 14-14-1

Calgary has 2 Eastern road trips left after the break (6 games, 4 games).

 

[sting101]

I get what you are saying, but it also doesn't really add up. Because Allvin has called out Pettersson twice for essentially not meeting expectations, and in the first call out, specifically mentioning preparation. If Allvin knew that Pettersson wasn't able to train as hard or as effectively because of the patellar tendinitis, then it would make no sense for Allvin to publicly call out his franchise centre for essentially not putting in enough effort into off season training.

Plus, Allvin has never limited his criticism of Pettersson to just off season training. Its been more general. And in fact, Allivin would have lots of information regarding Pettersson's in-season preparation/training/practice, etc., rather than whatever Pettersson is doing in the off season, so perhaps its more likely that Allvin's criticism was directed to inseason preparation.

It's obviously a combination of things but it's the lack of consistency hesitation flat energy and the fact his shot is not the same that contributes to how it's perceived as well.

Even on the PP when set up or trying to hold pucks along the walls he's getting squeezed off too easy or lacking a blistering shot that sets up passing lanes.

It's completely valid to see how he's performing and attribute the injury as a reason for the draw backs in performance but as you mentioned getting called out for it says its more nuanced

 

[GranvilleIsland]

Petey's in the eye of the storm, now.

Ok but which one?

 

[TruGr1t]

I'd be somewhat surprised if we didn't make a forward move before the deadline. Need one more top-six to shore up the playoff push, and then look towards further tweaks in the summer.

 

[arttk]

Well…I think speculation is the name of the game here, nobody really knows anything other than EP isn’t playing up to his earlier levels….some people think its injury related, some think its a combination of things…the way I see it we have a limited time to decide whether we need to cut bait on him before his NMC kicks in and im leaning heavily towards moving on from him…i can understand why some people still have faith, totally get it, but im not sure he’ll ever be worth $11.6m.

Well it’s evident his confidence is shot right now but we don’t know the cause. Is it because his body is just not there and he can’t do the things he want or is it because he is over thinking things.
I think the team most likely mismanaged the crap out of this, that I feel confident about.
I know people are concerned but I feel like he has shown to be a great player, I look at things in the longer term. Getting rid of him would be a super short term solution and we’ll 100% regret it especially if he has a good offseason and come back looking like a 100 pt player on a different team.

 

[Scumbag Frank]

I see no real reason to dump Soucy at the moment. Trade him if there's a reason to reallocate his cap hit and roster spot to a forward but, otherwise, he's a good buffer that prevents Juulsen getting into the line-up.

Moving him in the off-season makes sense. Especially if D-Petey can continue his advancement.

Trading Soucy before the offseason would screw the Canucks for their playoff push and they can't afford to do it. Not to mention his value is at its lowest right now and he should look much better going forward getting soft bottom pair minutes.

Willander isn't available until end of March at the earliest and mid-April at the latest.

After Hronek, Myers and Soucy, the RD depth is currently 1) Juulsen 2) Mancini (who I don't think is NHL ready).
Trading Soucy would put Juulsen in the lineup every game and the team would be a Hronek injury away from Juulsen in the top 4. NO THANKS TO THAT

Also looking at the upcoming UFAs, Soucy will likely be the top LD available in the summer and should fetch a haul in the offseason.