Around the league part 2

[ScoreZeGoals]

They have tried over and over and over to make the Coyotes work in Arizona, it's time to finally move on and relocate the franchise

 

[Herby]

I keep saying this because on one side of your mouth, you agreed that each prospect is different and should be handled differently....then on the other you go on and say well prospect ABCDGAGADF did this....

Are you saying Berniers and Byfield are the same player? With the same mentality, strengths, weaknesses etc? IF NOT....if they aren't the same, why in the f*** would thinking that they should be handled as individuals, be so f***ing hard to understand?

Again, I'm not arguing RIGHT OR WRONG...... I am saying that Berniers development can't be compared to Hughes, to Boldy, to Caufield....different players, different strengths, different mentality....

Tell me, why did Jason Robertson play 40-50 games in the AHL..didn't Dallas know they could have done f***ed him up doing that? Or....wait..shit...Dallas played Robertson in the minors....and Wyatt in the NHL right away....f***....maybe they realized that each player needed a different road.....f*** imagine that.

I’m confused. When have I ever said that no players should play in the AHL? I have simply said that not every prospect should be in the AHL. There are many better and more proven places the Kings could have had teenage Byfield and Turcotte than the AHL. The decision was unorthodox and the results have been terrible.

Also, how can you talk about multiple ways to develop prospects but then defend the organization that literally says to its fans “only McDavid types can play in the NHL without AHL time” , you talk about linear comments, that is more linear than anything I have ever said. But I don’t remember you ever criticizing those comments, in fact I’m pretty sure you were supportive of the heavy AHL usage for high picks.

 

[King'sPawn]

Houston makes a lot of sense. Selfishly, i'd like a team down in San Diego since i'm down there a lot. I guess Portland & KC would be good potential options.

I'd have a lot of conflict tbh - born and raised in SD, but grew up loving the Kings. And now I live in Seattle, and I got my fiancee and her family to watch hockey with the Kraken.

I don't think I could ever stop having the Kings as No. 1, but it may be more a 1a/1b situation.

Although living in SD, I don't think it's a good sports city in general.

 

[AbsentMojo]

Think Austin would be a great spot, but there's no arena.

I might be in the minority, but I always wanted the Coyotes to succeed in Arizona.

I think Austin is a good idea.. they have the population and wealth to support it, and there will be an instant rivalry with Dallas... do u like Austin better than Houston as a destination?

 

[kovacro]

They have tried over and over and over to make the Coyotes work in Arizona, it's time to finally move on and relocate the franchise

Salt Lake City, here we come!

 

[Mattias]

Rename them the Arizona homeless and only have away games.

“God, the homeless are such a problem this year” - all sports announcers.

 

[johnjm22]

I think Austin is a good idea.. they have the population and wealth to support it, and there will be an instant rivalry with Dallas... do u like Austin better than Houston as a destination?

Austin would be very much like Vegas and Nashville IMO. It's the type of town that would embrace the novelty of a hockey team IMO.

I also think there's something to be said for being the first pro sports team there.

Houston sports teams are always boring for some reason. I think residents there would be mostly apathetic.

 

[Sol]

Rename them the Arizona homeless and only have away games.

“God, the homeless are such a problem this year” - all sports announcers.

“After a brief interview with the Arizona Homeless they stated their favorite thing about hockey is when they chop up all that fresh powder with their skates”

 

[kingsholygrail]

Rename them the Arizona homeless and only have away games.

“God, the homeless are such a problem this year” - all sports announcers.

They'd just settle in LA.

 

[Sol]

I don’t give a shit about the Coyotes and their fanbase. If you can’t hold a team down then it’s everyone’s fault. Move the team to a city that wants them.

I'd have a lot of conflict tbh - born and raised in SD, but grew up loving the Kings. And now I live in Seattle, and I got my fiancee and her family to watch hockey with the Kraken.

I don't think I could ever stop having the Kings as No. 1, but it may be more a 1a/1b situation.

Although living in SD, I don't think it's a good sports city in general.

Really ? San Diego seems pretty lively. You don’t think they can hold down a team? I think if a place like Anaheim can hold down a team than San Diego surely can, no?

 

[KINGS17]

Interestingly, this one was to be all privately funded.

There were massive tax breaks and a cleanup of the site that was to be taxpayer funded, at least based on what I read about it.

Houston makes a lot of sense. Selfishly, i'd like a team down in San Diego since i'm down there a lot. I guess Portland & KC would be good potential options.

Hello Houston Aeros!

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

I’m confused. When have I ever said that no players should play in the AHL? I have simply said that not every prospect should be in the AHL. There are many better and more proven places the Kings could have had teenage Byfield and Turcotte than the AHL. The decision was unorthodox and the results have been terrible.

Also, how can you talk about multiple ways to develop prospects but then defend the organization that literally says to its fans “only McDavid types can play in the NHL without AHL time” , you talk about linear comments, that is more linear than anything I have ever said. But I don’t remember you ever criticizing those comments, in fact I’m pretty sure you were supportive of the heavy AHL usage for high picks.

No, you have literally said over and over again that NO OTHER PROSPECT....would play this much in the AHL....and....you brought up BJornfot as an example, (one of 4 or 5 to be sure) which was blatantly false....

I can talk about multiple ways to develop prospects, because LA has literally shown they handle each prospect DIFFERENTLY....not just from other organizations, but from within their own, Kaliyev handled different than Byfield, Bjornfot handled differently than Anderson....

The numbers SHOW that....and you keep on this idiotic narrative, that they would treat EVERY prospect the same....and they dont

 

[johnjm22]

Contrast the initial fan response to hockey in both Las Vegas and Phoenix.

The Knights had a ton of hype and support from game one because Las Vegas had been robbed of a pro sports team for decades. Obviously their immediate success helped cement that hype into a real fanbase, but it has remained strong since. The Knights are still a hot ticket here despite a lot of competition for entertainment.

Phoenix never had anywhere near the hype of VGK. Again, doesn’t help that they’ve basically had one successful season in their entire history, but those are the breaks.

It’s just time to move on from the Coyotes. If it was meant to be, they wouldn’t be in this situation. Gary needs to let it go. He got his successful American southwest team, just four hours northwest of Phoenix in a different state.

I recall crowds being pretty enthusiastic when the Coyotes first arrived in Phoenix

I think people forget the Coyotes made the playoffs in their first 4 seasons and had some pretty well known players; Roenick and Tkachuk.

Attendance always hovered around 15K in a 16K capacity building. IIRC, the building wasn't well suited to hockey. There was a part of the stands where portions of the playing surface weren't even visible.

 

[Bandit]

Salt Lake City, here we come!

RIP frozen fury.

 

[AbsentMojo]

Really ? San Diego seems pretty lively. You don’t think they can hold down a team? I think if a place like Anaheim can hold down a team than San Diego surely can, no?

I think SD could for sure - no conflict for attention (Clippers long gone)...They got a dilapidated building for hockey (SD sports arena aka Pechanga) doubt it could support an NHL franchise.. so that could be a snag.

 

[Papa Mocha 15]

RIP frozen fury.

Vegas started off as Frozen Fury and I thought it was a sampler to see if there was any NHL interest so if they have some good reads there, then I say go for it if they want to keep a team out West unless they want to bring Detroit back out here to balance. Not sure which way they would go Salt Lake wouldn't be a horrible option.

 

[Herby]

No, you have literally said over and over again that NO OTHER PROSPECT....would play this much in the AHL....and....you brought up BJornfot as an example, (one of 4 or 5 to be sure) which was blatantly false....

I can talk about multiple ways to develop prospects, because LA has literally shown they handle each prospect DIFFERENTLY....not just from other organizations, but from within their own, Kaliyev handled different than Byfield, Bjornfot handled differently than Anderson....

The numbers SHOW that....and you keep on this idiotic narrative, that they would treat EVERY prospect the same....and they dont

It’s not a narrative, one of the Kings development coaches said as much, LA believes that all prospects (other than McDavid types) have to be in the AHL to be successful. That is more linear than anything I have said, right? So will you criticize Glen Murray for being so linear?

The reason I bring up these countless number of examples is because it shows how ridiculous LA’s philosophy on developing players is. Matty Beniers and Wyatt Johnston have thrived without playing a single AHL game, how would that have happened with an organization that has literally told you it doesn’t believe that is possible. The vast majority of Top 5 picks never play AHL games, the vast majority of teams prefer letting players stay in college for a 2nd year vs putting them in the AHL as teenagers.

You took issue by saying Beniers would have been in Ontario this year or Johnston would have been on the OHL, but based on the comments by the front office that would have been the case, unless you think those players are McDavid caliber?

You’ve gone from defending the excessive AHL usage to now pretending it’s not the case.

You don’t think being in the AHL as teenagers has hurt the development of these players?

What is more linear?

A) The Kings should use more proven development paths for prospects

B) All prospects should be in the AHL before jumping to the NHL

 

[Bandit]

Vegas started off as Frozen Fury and I thought it was a sampler to see if there was any NHL interest so if they have some good reads there, then I say go for it if they want to keep a team out West unless they want to bring Detroit back out here to balance. Not sure which way they would go Salt Lake wouldn't be a horrible option.

For sure, just feels like they wouldn’t do “Frozen Fury: Provo” so the whole concept would probably die.

 

[jgs]

I don't understand why Bettman was so focused on keeping the Coyotes in Arizona. It has been claer for a long time that the city wasn't supporting the team. There are other cities that are craving a NHL franchise, move the Coyotes to one of those cities and say good riddance to Arizona.

 

[Mattias]

“After a brief interview with the Arizona Homeless they stated their favorite thing about hockey is when they chop up all that fresh powder with their skates”

“this just in, Gritty has joined the Arizona homeless”

 

[fivehole32]

For sure, just feels like they wouldn’t do “Frozen Fury: Provo” so the whole concept would probably die.

Frozen Fury: Boise

 

[DryIslandBartender]

Frozen Fury: Tijuana

 

[King'sPawn]

Really ? San Diego seems pretty lively. You don’t think they can hold down a team? I think if a place like Anaheim can hold down a team than San Diego surely can, no?

San Diego just hasn't been very successful with local sports. It's just always been more dependent on tourism. Even the Gulls don't sell out.

Then again, I guess Vegas also made it work. So maybe?

There aren't a lot of places that would be a good location to have a decent-sized arena.

Again, I'd love to have an NHL team in San Diego, but I think there are better candidates at this point in time.

 

[tny760]

I'd have a lot of conflict tbh - born and raised in SD, but grew up loving the Kings. And now I live in Seattle, and I got my fiancee and her family to watch hockey with the Kraken.

I don't think I could ever stop having the Kings as No. 1, but it may be more a 1a/1b situation.

Although living in SD, I don't think it's a good sports city in general.

yeah i'm not seeing an NHL franchise last in san diego unless they're right there next to petco or somewhere and the padres aren't sucking. not sure what it is, i guess the population transience

we had season tickets in the IHL gulls days but i just can't see myself making that drive from north county to the sports arena any more to be honest

 

[DryIslandBartender]

Personally would like to see Arizona stay or move to Salt Lake City. Less travel for the Kings.

I remember going to see the Salt Lake City Golden Eagles and Utah Grizzlies. They had a solid fan base, not all that different than Las Vegas.