Around the league part 2

[Herby]

Good thing ALL prospects develop the SAME...on a LINEAR path....

At least now we know.....right?

You keep saying this, so I guess it’s just pure coincidence that all the Kings guys need AHL time?

The Kings have the most AHL games played by teenagers under Blake

The Kings have the most AHL games played by 1st rounders under Blake

Turcotte and Byfield have more AHL games played by Top 5 picks than all the other Top 5 pick forwards combined between 2015 and 2021.

One of the members of the Kings development staff said in an interview last summer "Only McDavid type players can go to the NHL without AHL time"

But it's an unfair narrative that the Kings use their AHL affiliate more than other teams?
Other teams would have had Byfield in the AHL at 18 and for parts of 3 seasons?
Other teams would have pulled Turcotte from school to play him in the AHL as a teenager?
Other teams would have had Bjornfot in the AHL this much?
Guys like Johnston and Beniers would have been contributing for LA this season? Doesn't that go against what Glen Murray said?

I still call BS on Hossa. First look at the salary year by year and guess which year he retired:

Yes you are correct, the year he started making peanuts. What a remarkable coincidence. While I do believe he has a real health issue I'm convinced he would have kept playing if his salary was still 7.9M.

I put this in the same category as the teams having guys on IR until the playoffs.

There is a chance that Hossa could have pulled an elaborate Cryin Ryan Smyth and done a huge media tour (that has continued to this day) and just lied to everyone about the severity of his condition. But at the time of his retirement he was still an effective player, scoring at a near 30 goal pace while still being one of the best defensive wingers in the NHL. The cost to find a Hossa caliber player would have cost the Hawks similar, if not more money, for a team that was still claiming to be a championship contender. People seem to be thinking that Hossa was Richards, he certainly wasn't.

The worst thing about the Hossa situation was the term it was signed at the time, which the NHL has since closed. And multiple teams benefitted from those types of ridiculous contracts, including the Kings.

 

[BringTheReign]

Just to throw some positivity into our negativity soup around here, I don’t think Dallas is too far off the mark from what this team could be with continued prospect development and a shrewd move to add a goalie (or re-sign Korpi). They seem to me to be the best blend of young-ish talent and still-contributing vets.

It’ll be interesting to see how long they maintain the level they’re at given DeBoer’s propensity to supercharge a team in his first year and then tail off. It won’t matter if they win the Cup this year though, they won’t care about tailing off.

Now that I’ve said that…

*ducks for cover*

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

You keep saying this, so I guess it’s just pure coincidence that all the Kings guys need AHL time?

The Kings have the most AHL games played by teenagers under Blake

The Kings have the most AHL games played by 1st rounders under Blake

Turcotte and Byfield have more AHL games played by Top 5 picks than all the other Top 5 pick forwards combined between 2015 and 2021.

One of the members of the Kings development staff said in an interview last summer "Only McDavid type players can go to the NHL without AHL time"

But it's an unfair narrative that the Kings use their AHL affiliate more than other teams?
Other teams would have had Byfield in the AHL at 18 and for parts of 3 seasons?
Other teams would have pulled Turcotte from school to play him in the AHL as a teenager?
Other teams would have had Bjornfot in the AHL this much?
Guys like Johnston and Beniers would have been contributing for LA this season? Doesn't that go against what Glen Murray said?

I keep saying this because on one side of your mouth, you agreed that each prospect is different and should be handled differently....then on the other you go on and say well prospect ABCDGAGADF did this....

Are you saying Berniers and Byfield are the same player? With the same mentality, strengths, weaknesses etc? IF NOT....if they aren't the same, why in the f*** would thinking that they should be handled as individuals, be so f***ing hard to understand?

Again, I'm not arguing RIGHT OR WRONG...... I am saying that Berniers development can't be compared to Hughes, to Boldy, to Caufield....different players, different strengths, different mentality....

Tell me, why did Jason Robertson play 40-50 games in the AHL..didn't Dallas know they could have done f***ed him up doing that? Or....wait..shit...Dallas played Robertson in the minors....and Wyatt in the NHL right away....f***....maybe they realized that each player needed a different road.....f*** imagine that.

 

[Schmooley]

I keep saying this because on one side of your mouth, you agreed that each prospect is different and should be handled differently....then on the other you go on and say well prospect ABCDGAGADF did this....

Are you saying Berniers and Byfield are the same player? With the same mentality, strengths, weaknesses etc? IF NOT....if they aren't the same, why in the f*** would thinking that they should be handled as individuals, be so f***ing hard to understand?

Again, I'm not arguing RIGHT OR WRONG...... I am saying that Berniers development can't be compared to Hughes, to Boldy, to Caufield....different players, different strengths, different mentality....

In Beniers case there was a time when he and Turcotte were on the same team. Turcotte was the better player on line 1 and Beniers was lower in the lineup. Turcotte got sent to the AHL from there and Beniers spent a year in college then went straight to the NHL.

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

In Beniers case there was a time when he and Turcotte were on the same team. Turcotte was the better player on line 1 and Beniers was lower in the lineup. Turcotte got sent to the AHL from there and Beniers spent a year in college then went straight to the NHL.

You mean when Berniers was 15...and played 11 games?after that he spent 2 more years on that USNT and then 2 years in college

EDIT sorry, 1 more year with the USNT two different age teams, 17 and 18

 

[Schmooley]

You mean when Berniers was 15...and played 11 games?after that he spent 2 more years on that USNT and then 2 years in college

EDIT sorry, 1 more year with the USNT two different age teams, 17 and 18

I didnt know he was only 15 thats wild. But they were very similar players in style and size and they should have been handled similarly.

 

[Lt Dan]

Is is safe to assume that every fan of every other Western Conference team is rooting for Dallas over Vegas?

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

You keep saying this, so I guess it’s just pure coincidence that all the Kings guys need AHL time?

The Kings have the most AHL games played by teenagers under Blake

The Kings have the most AHL games played by 1st rounders under Blake

Turcotte and Byfield have more AHL games played by Top 5 picks than all the other Top 5 pick forwards combined between 2015 and 2021.

One of the members of the Kings development staff said in an interview last summer "Only McDavid type players can go to the NHL without AHL time"


Other teams would have had Bjornfot in the AHL this much?

Why yes....NJD has had 2nd OA Nemec in the AHL all year....

WPG has had Heinola in the AHL the same amount of time
OTT with Thomson
DAL with Harley
PHI with York
AZ with Soderstom

All same draft class, all drafted higher

I didnt know he was only 15 thats wild. But they were very similar players in style and size and they should have been handled similarly.

I don't seem them as similar, Beniers is more offensive minded, and gifted.....and bigger.....

 

[SettlementRichie10]

Is is safe to assume that every fan of every other Western Conference team is rooting for Dallas over Vegas?

I’m not. But I grew up and live in Las Vegas and they’re the only other team I cheer for, and only after LA is knocked out.

 

[All The Kings Men]

Is is safe to assume that every fan of every other Western Conference team is rooting for Dallas over Vegas?

 

[Schrute farms]

I don't agree with this ^^^^ i'm a fan of the Hurricanes. Maybe you mean in the West.

 

[Lt Dan]

I don't agree with this ^^^^ i'm a fan of the Hurricanes. Maybe you mean in the West.

I think Carolina wins the cup
I want Florida to win the cup

But I mostly want Vegas out

 

[Steve Zissou]

Snoop D.O. Double G, the way you rip so love-ely
It sound so viciously
When the thump in the trunk go, bump, bump, bump

 

[lumbergh]

There’s nothing unlikeable about the Carolina Hurricanes. Go Canes! I hope they win it all.

 

[All The Kings Men]

There’s nothing unlikeable about the Carolina Hurricanes. Go Canes! I hope they win it all.

The fact that so many non-Carolina fans find them universally likeable is in itself intensely unlikeable.

They're probably the "best" team left in the playoffs and there's tons of reasons to admire their play and be impressed by their organization.

But I don't care. They bug me and I'm tired of people trying to tell me how much I should like them. I don't. I won't.

And I like Joe Pavelski more than Brent Burns.

Go Dallas.

 

[Kudelski37]

I'm rooting in this order: Carolina, Florida, Dallas, and finally Atomic Test Ground.

 

[bland]

I'm rooting in this order: Carolina, Florida, Dallas, and finally Atomic Test Ground.

Can we add Covid 23 in after Dallas?

 

[Shellz]

I’m rooting for Vegas. I’m not rooting against any of the teams left, actually.. I would love to see Martinez raise the cup again.

 

[Kudelski37]

Can we add Covid 23 in after Dallas?

You can add COVID 23, locusts, etc in after Dallas.

 

[Buddy The Elf]

Also helps to have the league adjust the expansion draft rules like never before so you start with a better team than half the teams in the league…plus you have idiots like Dale Talon make 30 goal scorer Marchissault available so he can protect an extra defenseman. When has an expansion team gotten a guy who scored 30 goals the year before. Plus Pens made HOF Fleury available.

sickening

Vegas had two 20 goal scorers and two 30 goal scorers on its opening night roster. That's a far cry from previous expansion teams. Hell that's better than most of the Kings teams through the early 2000's. That's why the whole band of misfits narrative that was being thrown around by the media was a complete joke. I agree that nobody thought they'd go to the Cup their first year but they had a decent team on paper opening night.

 

[Kingfan1967]

No strong favorite for the Cup, but Vegas has the most ex-kings (Martinez, McNabb, Amadio, and Quick almost 20% of their roster ) so won't be too mad if they win.

 

[johnjm22]

I'll say it again. The Dallas Stars are what the Kings are trying to be.

The difference being that Dallas has hit on some of their draft picks, while the Kings are still waiting for thiers to pan out.

That's why I don't really buy this idea that Kopitar and Doughty's presence is stunting anyone. Benn, Seguin, Pavelski, Suter etc didn't stop Johnston or Robertson or Hintz or Heiskanen from developing.

Also, I really wanted Mason Marchment in the offseason. I realize our cap is tight, and we have lots of forwards, but he's the EXACT type of player we could've used on this roster.

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

I'll say it again. The Dallas Stars are what the Kings are trying to be.

The difference being that Dallas has hit on some of their draft picks, while the Kings are still waiting for thiers to pan out.

That's why I don't really buy this idea that Kopitar and Doughty's presence is stunting anyone. Benn, Seguin, Pavelski, Suter etc didn't stop Johnston or Robertson or Hintz or Heiskanen from developing.

Also, I really wanted Mason Marchment in the offseason. I realize our cap is tight, and we have lots of forwards, but he's the EXACT type of player we could've used on this roster.

AGree on Marchment..but...he did f***all this past year.....imagine he performed that way on this team, we'd lose some freaking members, to put it into context, BLAKE LIZOTTE outscored him

 

[johnjm22]

AGree on Marchment..but...he did f***all this past year.....imagine he performed that way on this team, we'd lose some freaking members, to put it into context, BLAKE LIZOTTE outscored him

He scored at a near 40 point pace as a bottom 6 player this year. That's pretty good for what he brings. Had the same P60 as guys like Arvidsson and Danault.

Everybody wants players with size/toughness, but as I've said many times, the player still has to be GOOD at hockey.

Marchment was a rare opportunity (although admittedly risky). Big tough guy, who can play, low mileage, and relatively young.

 

[BigKing]

I'm cheering for Tkachuk above anything else but it also helps that I like watching Gudas and Bennett. All three of these are guys I would have liked on the Kings: I also was hoping the Kings would have been in on Reinhart when he was available.

Carolina next. I am a UNC fan and a Carolina Panthers fan. I'm more a Charlotte guy than a Raleigh buy but thee is a lot of overlap in the fanbase since they are the only Carolina team.

Dallas next.

Vegas would be a personal disaster. Them winning would be the real topper of this shit sandwich of a season.