Around the league part 2

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Dallas went down in the other series.. I think they'll come back strong game 4
 
NJ went with Luke with their backs against the wall and he played very well. He’s probably in for good now.

Of course this never would have happened in LA. Hughes would have been assigned to the Reign and not getting a chance over Walker, Edler and Durzi, and even if there had been injuries he would have been behind guys like Moverare and Bjornfot, that is how the Kings operate.

It’s just unbelievable that a team that did what the Kings have done the last 12 months with trading future pieces to win now was worried about an ELC expiring multiple years down the road.

Maybe when Blakey, Muzz and Nelly talk with Pravda over the summer someone can ask them if they still believe only generational players don’t need AHL time. But I’m not holding my breath.

Luke Hughes would've definitely helped our pk. Maybe only 7/16 instead. :laugh:
 
Luke Hughes would've definitely helped our pk. Maybe only 7/16 instead. :laugh:
The Kings lost 3 games by essentially 1 goal (Game 2 was an ENG goal). You don't think a player like Clarke (or Hughes had they drafted him) could have made a difference in one of those games?

Do you just think highly of Edler, Walker and Durzi?
Do you think less of Clarke than a lot of us?
Or are you a believer in the Rob Blake/Emerson/Murray philosophy that no players are ready to contribute without AHL time?

I just struggle to see how anyone who watched Edler, Walker or Durzi (I like him but he was bad) wouldn’t think Clarke might have made a difference.
You’re ruining my enjoyment of the Leafs failures by reminding me of the Kings failures.
Misery loves company.
 
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There's been actual studies on this.

Fighting doesn't prevent injuries or make anyone safer.
The ex AHL/NHL guys I’ve spoken to do not care if they have to answer the bell for a cheap shot, even if they know they will lose. The thing that reins them in is the coach getting pissed at dumb penalties...as well as a greater risk of suspension for the cheap shots (if they gave proper suspensions the cheap shots would reduce significantly in the NHL).
 
The Kings lost 3 games by essentially 1 goal (Game 2 was an ENG goal). You don't think a player like Clarke (or Hughes had they drafted him) could have made a difference in one of those games?

Do you just think highly of Edler, Walker and Durzi?
Do you think less of Clarke than a lot of us?
Or are you a believer in the Rob Blake/Emerson/Murray philosophy that no players are ready to contribute without AHL time?

I just struggle to see how anyone who watched Edler, Walker or Durzi (I like him but he was bad) wouldn’t think Clarke might have made a difference.

Misery loves company.

You would think watching youngsters thrive in important spots would signal Clarke-Spence-etc would have made a difference and would move the needle

You would think watching other teams have success play the oilers aggressively straight up over the last two years would move the needle

You would think watching other successful teams not let guys rot in the AHL would move the needle

But Blake and TM know something no one else does about roster management, game management, and development, we're just lucky to bask in their emerging greatness
 
The Kings lost 3 games by essentially 1 goal (Game 2 was an ENG goal). You don't think a player like Clarke (or Hughes had they drafted him) could have made a difference in one of those games?

Do you just think highly of Edler, Walker and Durzi?
Do you think less of Clarke than a lot of us?
Or are you a believer in the Rob Blake/Emerson/Murray philosophy that no players are ready to contribute without AHL time?

I just struggle to see how anyone who watched Edler, Walker or Durzi (I like him but he was bad) wouldn’t think Clarke might have made a difference.

Misery loves company.

I think Clarke would have made the impact that Durzi/Walker made.....and to be frank that is culled from his 9 game shot playing in the NHL....he could have drastically improved for that observation to be ludicrous....but we will never know....
 
They kind of are. They seems to be a good playoff team year after year , yet never finish the job. They should've had a least one more cup since 2011, even without Tim Thomas carrying the team.
They won right before the Kings and Blackhawks really locked things down for half a decade. Then when they finally got back to the Final, they ran into a Blues team that basically stopped losing after the trade deadline.
 
The Kings lost 3 games by essentially 1 goal (Game 2 was an ENG goal). You don't think a player like Clarke (or Hughes had they drafted him) could have made a difference in one of those games?

Do you just think highly of Edler, Walker and Durzi?
Do you think less of Clarke than a lot of us?
Or are you a believer in the Rob Blake/Emerson/Murray philosophy that no players are ready to contribute without AHL time?

I just struggle to see how anyone who watched Edler, Walker or Durzi (I like him but he was bad) wouldn’t think Clarke might have made a difference.

Misery loves company.
I do wish that the Kings had the cajones to try Clarke for game 6. Would have made things interesting.
 
Leafs are in a tough spot.

With ROR, Kerfoot, Acciari, Bunting all headed to free agency, the roster will most certainly be worse next year.

Tavares, Matthews, Marner, Nylander are all UFA's within the next two years.
 
I think Clarke would have made the impact that Durzi/Walker made.....and to be frank that is culled from his 9 game shot playing in the NHL....he could have drastically improved for that observation to be ludicrous....but we will never know....
He would have improved. The difference between game 10 and game 70 for a player of Clarke's talent is massive. He certainly could have made a difference in this series had he been handled like most teams would have handled him.

But the Kings aren't most teams.

You would think watching youngsters thrive in important spots would signal Clarke-Spence-etc would have made a difference and would move the needle

You would think watching other teams have success play the oilers aggressively straight up over the last two years would move the needle

You would think watching other successful teams not let guys rot in the AHL would move the needle

But Blake and TM know something no one else does about roster management, game management, and development, we're just lucky to bask in their emerging greatness

Your wrong pal! Covid changed everything. You won't be seeing kids jump in the NHL anymore, everyone is going to be using Blake's strategy of playing a lot of AHL games. Oh man, do I miss Axl Nutz. Since those comments were made there have been 3 players jump from playing the entire season in the NCAA to the NHL playoffs.

As for the Kings, I don't think they care at all what the rest of the league does or what has worked for everyone else, they are set in their ways. Remember, Glen Murray's laughably bad and inaccurate take about players in the AHL was made after QB and Turcotte had significant struggles cracking an NHL roster in a timely manner for where they were taken (after heavy AHL usage). And shortly after those comments they sent Bjornfot to the AHL out of camp. All those players (Byfield, Turcotte and Toby) have been handled completely different than other teams would have.

In fairness to Blake, he did say he thought Clarke could play in the NHL next season out of camp. But for one, it should have been this season, but most importantly Blake has made similar comments before, about QB when he was drafted. He also said Kaliyev was going to be a scoring line player this season before trading for another scoring line winger and converting two of his centers to wings. He also had one of his development minions (I believe Stoll) go on one of the podcasts and shine up Bjornfot, only for the organization to banish him to the AHL. So right now, until we actually see Clarke in the lineup on opening night, it's fair to be skeptical. And the real crappy thing, which I know you have mentioned before is that if Clarke does make the team it likely comes at the expense of Spence, who was criminally mishandled this season himself.

Spence and Bjornfot in the AHL and Clarke in the OHL while Edler and Walker played a combined 140 NHL games for a team that lost in round 1. These jokes just write themselves.
 
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If anyone plays poker. Here are some lottery odds compared to NLH odds.

The Ducks have a 25% chance of getting Bedard, similar odds of 6-7 suited beating Aces before the flop (23%). Also the same odds of AK of spades beating 2-2 on a 2-8-7 two spades flop (25%).

The Ducks odds of getting Bedard or Fantili are 44%, or about the same as AK has vs pocket 8's. The Ducks would obviously have the 8-8 when it comes to not getting the 1 or 2 pick (think positive!)

Bedard's chances of ending up in California are 36%, or the same as QJ suited beating AK suited.

The Sharks chances of getting Bedard are about 9%, or the same chances pocket 2's would have vs. AK on an A-8-5 flop.

Just really hoping the 55% comes in. Bedard is obviously Bedard. But I really don't see how Fantilli is not a star himself in the NHL, he has it all and would have been a 1OA most years. And even with guaranteeing themselves a Top 3 spot, the Ducks are going to get a fantastic young player, regardless. Worst case scenario I think is the Ducks and Sharks end up 1-2.

Not looking forward to tonight.
 
Leafs are in a tough spot.

With ROR, Kerfoot, Acciari, Bunting all headed to free agency, the roster will most certainly be worse next year.

Tavares, Matthews, Marner, Nylander are all UFA's within the next two years.
I hope Capt. Pajama Boy wins nothing. Screwed the Islanders in negotiations and I think the hockey gods keep dispensing their justice.

As far as Matthews, Marner and Nylander I hope they win Cups just not on the Leafs.

Also, if the Leafs don't win a game in the second round, did they really get out of the first?
 
As good as Matthews, Marner and Nylander are. They choke on the big stage. To win in this league, your best players must be your best players on the big stage and so far these three have not proven to be that. They are great regular season players but not playoff performers. and until they bring it every game 60 minutes a game an put points up, they will looked at as choke artists.
 
Am I crazy to think Fantilli's going to be harder to play against than Bedard?

Fantili and McTavish down the middle is going to be a complete pain in the ass
 
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