Around the League - Offseason Edition

[VanW27]

Clarkson all over possibly

Maybe, at least Wilson has a track record of high level play though with three 20 goal seasons in the last 5 years (paced >20 the other 2). Clarkson had that anomolous 30 goal year but no others over 20.

But injuries are what derailed Clarkson and Wilson's injury concerns are even bigger than Clarkson's were at that time. Only 33GP last season, 78GP last and just 47GP the one prior. Under 70 the two before that as well.

Guys I like that seem to hit a wall at like 30 and then their bodies just can't take it anymore - Wilson is 29..

 

[Menzinger]

CapFriendly reports the full breakdown of Wilson’s deal, which carries a 15-team no-trade clause until 2027-28 and a ten-team no-trade clause for the remainder:

2024-25: $4MM salary, $5MM signing bonus
2025-26: $4.5MM salary, $3MM signing bonus
2026-27: $3.625MM salary, $2MM signing bonus
2027-28: $4.3MM salary, $2MM signing bonus
2028-29: $4.275MM salary, $2MM signing bonus
2029-30: $900K salary, $4.5MM signing bonus
2030-31: $900K salary, $4.5MM signing bonus

Close to buyout proof it seems

 

[ACC1224]

7 x 6.5 for Tom Wilson. Will be a really rough contract on the backend you gotta imagine

Good for him, wish he was a Leaf.

To the bolded, it seems like that is said about every long term deal.

 

[rocketman588]

That pesky GM was blowing up all his moves and that's why he had to hire himself.

If they don't get 50% retention on him it's going to be one of the biggest gambles in the NHL

 

[Ziggdiezan]

Good for him, wish he was a Leaf.

To the bolded, it seems like that is said about every long term deal.

Ya he definitely would add a missing element to this team though perhaps Bertuzzi can cover some of the 'power forward' elements.

Ya I think giving guys who will be 30 years old 7 year deals is quite dangerous. Espcially for physical players like Wilson. Athough seemingly it is very common for these type of contracts. Perhaps due to LTIR being used so often

 

[weems]

If Pittsburgh gets Karlsson, I'll definitely be intrigued to watch that team play and even think they could be pretty good with just enough left in the tank from Crosby/Malkin/Letang.

Won't really change my opinion of Dubas in regards to the job he did with the Leafs tho.

 

[Mess]

Ya it makes sense that way for sure, kept the AAV pretty low and chances are he will end up on LTIR before it is done/the caps are competitive again


Wow I guess Washington give quite a bit of signing bonuses

Yup, but you can see the last few years very low base salary making for either and trade or a buyout quite feasible,

Some teams like to give term to bring down AAV via averaging.

 

[Jimmy Firecracker]

 

[Ziggdiezan]

Yup, but you can see the last few years very low base salary making for either and trade or a buyout quite feasible,

Some teams like to give term to bring down AAV via averaging.

Low base salary though quite high signing bonuses for those last 2 years. Would probably make it more difficult to trade to a team like Arizona where they have to pay up 4.5 million right at the start of the season. Definitely front loaded it in general though

 

[DarkKnight]

This is just so perfect lol…

 

[Mess]

This is just so perfect lol…

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"It means that Kyle Dubas is very much in charge. I don't think this is a huge surprise to a lot of people that he officially dropped the interim title and kept the job... I don't think the fact that Dubas is the GM surprises anyone. I think he wanted to see if Brandon Pridham, who worked with him in Toronto, was interested. I think that Pridham decided to stay in Toronto earlier this summer and I think once that kind of moved, was known that Priham was likely to stay, I think this was the course of action many people expected."

Many believed that once Dubas joined the Penguins, that cap wizard Brandon Pridham, who worked next to Dubas in Toronto was the obvious choice and a shoo-in for the Pens' GM position if he wanted it. However, as Friedman stated, Pridham reportedly decided he wanted to stay in Toronto and I'm sure the Leafs and their deep pockets had something to do with that as it wouldn't be the first time they gave someone in management a hefty raise to stay in the organization. Now that Dubas has "found" his GM and has total autonomy of hockey decisions in Pittsburgh, which is what he wanted in Toronto, it will be interesting to see if he carries the same philosophies he had in Toronto over to Pittsburgh.

 

[Menzinger]

Low base salary though quite high signing bonuses for those last 2 years. Would probably make it more difficult to trade to a team like Arizona where they have to pay up 4.5 million right at the start of the season. Definitely front loaded it in general though

It's definitely designed(likely by the agent/player) to keep him on the Washington roster for the duration of the term.

 

[BertCorbeau]

The reports of the extra power he wanted in Toronto was streamlining processes, not cutting anyone out. We may find it is different, but that is what was reported.

Friedman thinks he wanted Pridham, no reason to not believe him.

I just really think it is a bad market for GMs, we saw it with our own search, and some of the names being thrown around were terrible. That is with some people having an "out" to come to Toronto too, I doubt that is the case for Pittsburgh.

Dubas may be exactly what people are painting him as, I can see it, I just also don't think there are any good options for GM, so I am not going to rule out the other options as well.

I am interested to see how Pittsburgh looks after Crosby and company leave, but I think while you have them, you go for it. Their prospect pool is terrible already, may as well start building that slowly and then jump all in when the stars leave.

I think this is the case and with most of the off-season moves done, bringing in a GM that isn't the right fit just for filling a spot doesn't make sense. Standing pat until next season is fine.

I also believe Dubas does want a lot of autonomy over decisions and I'm sure there are a good number of available GM's that don't just want to be a puppet.

 

[andora]

The reports of the extra power he wanted in Toronto was streamlining processes, not cutting anyone out. We may find it is different, but that is what was reported.
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Streamlining is designed to cut people out - it is just a more politcially charged timeline thing

 

[notbias]

Streamlining is designed to cut people out - it is just a more politcially charged timeline thing

I guess when Freidman said no one was being cut out of the process he misspoke then...

"One thing I had heard that Dubas had proposed was streamlining the decision-making process of the organization. I don't necessarily mean think that means that he was going to cut out Shanahan or anything like that. But I heard that he found that it was too slow like it was Dubas, Shanahan, the board then come all the way back down, and I did hear he proposed something where they could try to do this stuff a lot faster."

Maybe he was trying to cut the board out. If that was the case, fantastic.

 

[andora]

I guess when Freidman said no one was being cut out of the process he misspoke then...

"One thing I had heard that Dubas had proposed was streamlining the decision-making process of the organization. I don't necessarily mean think that means that he was going to cut out Shanahan or anything like that. But I heard that he found that it was too slow like it was Dubas, Shanahan, the board then come all the way back down, and I did hear he proposed something where they could try to do this stuff a lot faster."

Maybe he was trying to cut the board out. If that was the case, fantastic.

Maybe I should have said more words. Over time once streamlining proves successful it justifies cutting people out.

If it was supposed to cut people out immediately it would just be proposing cutting people out not streamlining

 

[notbias]

Maybe I should have said more words. Over time once streamlining proves successful it justifies cutting people out.

If it was supposed to cut people out immediately it would just be proposing cutting people out not streamlining

in all scenarios? news to me. So the proposal was to streamline the process, and you think that would lead to cutting out the people who make decisions on how to operate? I highly doubt that.

If it takes days to make a decision, something should change. I thought I read that was the case, but could be mistaken.

 

[andora]

in all scenarios? news to me. So the proposal was to streamline the process, and you think that would lead to cutting out the people who make decisions on how to operate? I highly doubt that.

If it takes days to make a decision, something should change. I thought I read that was the case, but could be mistaken.

Umm kinda

In theory it would make things faster and allow certain people to do more - meaning the better people take more off the plate of worse people

10 plates turn into 7 plates - 3 people dont get plates

 

[rocketman588]

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"It means that Kyle Dubas is very much in charge. I don't think this is a huge surprise to a lot of people that he officially dropped the interim title and kept the job... I don't think the fact that Dubas is the GM surprises anyone. I think he wanted to see if Brandon Pridham, who worked with him in Toronto, was interested. I think that Pridham decided to stay in Toronto earlier this summer and I think once that kind of moved, was known that Priham was likely to stay, I think this was the course of action many people expected."

Many believed that once Dubas joined the Penguins, that cap wizard Brandon Pridham, who worked next to Dubas in Toronto was the obvious choice and a shoo-in for the Pens' GM position if he wanted it. However, as Friedman stated, Pridham reportedly decided he wanted to stay in Toronto and I'm sure the Leafs and their deep pockets had something to do with that as it wouldn't be the first time they gave someone in management a hefty raise to stay in the organization. Now that Dubas has "found" his GM and has total autonomy of hockey decisions in Pittsburgh, which is what he wanted in Toronto, it will be interesting to see if he carries the same philosophies he had in Toronto over to .

I don't understand why he just didn't name spezza or someone "GM" But whatever.

The autonomy thing was always dumb. If he didn't have autonomy he wouldn't have gotten to do half tht moves he made. It also only came out after he bailed with STILL very little proof of it.

He has a lot of friends in the media because all he does is leak. So he used them to try to shape a narrative which was good enough for his legion of followers to accept. It was an unsuccessful shake down nothing more.

in all scenarios? news to me. So the proposal was to streamline the process, and you think that would lead to cutting out the people who make decisions on how to operate? I highly doubt that.

If it takes days to make a decision, something should change. I thought I read that was the case, but could be mistaken.

We literally saw him make a decision on camera in real time in the Amazon doc lol. Where he gave away an extra 4th for Foligno

The "it took days to make a decision" is pretty BS. Rodgers is not demanding dubas take up their time calling them about every move

 

[DarkKnight]

Or he’s just a narcissist.

 

[andora]

Or he’s just a narcissist.

Which type

 

[DarkKnight]

Which type

Overt.

 

[Menzinger]

We literally saw him make a decision on camera in real time in the Amazon doc lol. Where he gave away an extra 4th for Foligno

The "it took days to make a decision" is pretty BS. Rodgers is not demanding dubas take up their time calling them about every move

Though let's face it, A heavily edited series (one which MLSE apparently had final editorial say on) isn't going to give a fully clear picture into how the front office really functioned one way or the other.

For all we know the issue about "days to make decisions" may have regarded bigger moves than just a mid round pick. Not that it justifies Dubas' behavior, but all we really have are question marks.

 

[ACC1224]

Which type

Nerd

 

[Fogelhund]

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NHL is such a poverty league. LOL