Toronto area could easily support another team. Buyers and sponsors would be lining up. The GTA population(6.3M) is twice what the twin cities is, and then there are the smaller cities outside that are such as Kitchener, Waterloo, Guelph, St, Catherines, Niagara Falls, Hamilton, London, etc that would add a couple of million more. Unlike most other regions being talked about, this areas #1 sport is hockey, and they are all certifiably hockey mad, and have been for generations.
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They need to relocate them and shut down this BS about expanding in Atlanta and Houston. There is zero reason to expand and take more good players from every club when you have a team like Arizona playing in a 5,000 seat college arena. You want a team in Houston? Great. Move the Coyotes there. Bettman never gave this much rope to any other team.
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TaLoN
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Beyond that, Arizona got 1st and 2nd round picks taken away for extracurricular combine activities. Chicago just had a major sexual assault scandal and was gifted Bedard. Bettman may want it to work out in Arizona, but Arizona hasn't gotten any kind of preferential treatment from the league that I can recall, in any capacity.
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That's so plainly wrong... Bettman has been doing all he can to make it work almost as long as Connor McDavid has been alive. Sure, the league has come down on them, but it's obviously a major aspect of his legacy that he allowed the Jets to become one of the worst, most dysfunctional, least successful franchises in the history of North American sports. It's a personal stain on Bettman and he has committed millions in league money to it. He's done that for other teams??
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I mean, most recently, they paid for marketing for this ballot initiative. They found new ownership. They did revenue sharing. They've lobbied local leaders. They gave them every opportunity to find a new stadium and supported that process. They worked with absolute scum owners because they were willing to keep the team. Do you not have google where you live?
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None of this is preferential treatment that only the Coyotes receive.
The owners get to decide if the team moves or stays, and they want to stay (the owners were also the people making the decision to bring them to Phoenix in the first place when they couldn't agree to funding a new stadium in Winnipeg or Minneapolis, so they sold the team to a guy who wanted them in Phoenix).
I'm sorry about what the big bad Coyotes did to you though. I hope you find peace someday.
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The league pays for marketing in every market a new stadium is being sought after. There is a specific fund for this. It benefits the league to have new arenas.
This is not out of the ordinary.
I'm expressing no opinion of my own, just posting a link to this.
Time's up for Gary Bettman's obsession with the Coyotes and Arizona
You might imagine that even Gary Bettman is finally prepared to admit defeat on the Coyotes. But knowing his playbook, he can’t or won’t.
theathletic.com
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Ok, given that, is there any evidence that Coyotes experiment is working? It's been almost 20 years and they haven't even developed a good college rink. Give the league credit for finding the patience it never showed Winnipeg, Minnesota, Hartford and Quebec but this is a disgrace. And it's time for a change. Well, maybe they'll sell to the guy who stormed a basketball court to try and act tough to Jokic. He'd be an upgrade.
I do feel bad for the fans, obviously ... the Coyotes could win a Cup in the next few years if things change, much like happened with the North Stars.
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Finding the patience? The owners of those franchises were begging to leave. The owners of the Yotes WANTED TO STAY.
That's the difference.
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League benefits a lot more if they add an expansion team rather than relocating a current team and missing out on the $650M expansion fee.
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Yeah, why don't they just add like three or four more teams? Several billion bucks!
Oh you say one of their teams plays in a subpar college rink already? And can't draw fans? And the community doesn't want them around?
"The Coyotes, however, were pulling the league's numbers in the opposite direction. The club has finished in bottom 4 in attendance every season dating back to 2006-07, and their move this season from the 17,000-seat Desert Diamond Arena to the 5,000-seat Mullet Arena 27 miles away in Tempe, Ariz. generated a total attendance that was 287,059 less than the 2018-19 season (the last season that was not affected by the pandemic)."
NHL draws regular season attendance of 22.4 million
The elimination of the pandemic-related capacity restrictions that had hampered much of the sport since March 2020 was a big reason for the surge: the seven Canadian clubs were up a collective 26% (+1.05 million over the 2021-22 season), while the three California teams were up 14% (+226,386).
www.sportsbusinessjournal.com
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It's like having a bad roommate. Everyone else pays on time, chips in for pizza, does the dishes, respects noise levels, doesn't bring around their loudmouth partner, etc., while this one person is the opposite. Do you simply let them slide on rent month after month, or do you kick them out? It has been 20 years of squatting. Time for something new for the good of the game.
Spurgeon
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League as a whole benefits from another revenue stream though. Seattle & Vegas have both been net positives on the cap. Players also have 22 more open positions for jobs.
Overall, I think adding a brand new team has a greater positive impact on the financials than relocating a failing team that is in the negatives YoY.
I’d rather there not be any more expansion, but it seems inevitable.
TaLoN
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More teams dilutes the talent of the league, the product suffers.
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Debatable. I think there’s a lot of NHL-level talent out there that don’t get properly recognized because of the limited opportunities.
Scoring has been up in recent years and you’re seeing many new players putting up personal best seasons of 30-40+ goals. Could argue it’s due to weaker defenses or goaltending, but I’ve thought the NHL has been more enjoyable to watch than 5 years ago.
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Scoring is up in recent years because of rule changes and removing clutching/grabbing that used to be so prevalent.
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I'm expressing no opinion of my own, just posting a link to this.
Time's up for Gary Bettman's obsession with the Coyotes and Arizona
You might imagine that even Gary Bettman is finally prepared to admit defeat on the Coyotes. But knowing his playbook, he can’t or won’t.
If I turned this article in as an essay in a college writing class I would get a C at best for talking a lot without saying much of anything.
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Just from a 30,000 foot view, the NHL is already at 32 teams. The NFL is at 32 teams. The NBA and MLB are at 30 teams. All three of those sports are more popular in this country than the NHL. It makes no logical sense for the NHL to continue expanding beyond what other, far more popular sports are doing. It's a short term cash grab for expansion fees to prop up the bottom line. It's not a long term solution to league health. Expansion should be slow and methodical, not like we're at an Oprah show and everyone gets a new franchise under their seat.
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TaLoN
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redline, trapazoid etc yes, they happened more than 5 years ago, but the impact changed over time as the league adjusted
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