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Herby said:
I don't get your opinion on this on, you can't suspend someone for being under investigation.

If he is charged by the grand jury and arrested he will be suspended immediately.
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That's just not true. Under Section 18-A.5 of the collective bargaining agreement, the commissioner can suspend Kane indefinitely pending a formal review due to the fact that he's under criminal investigation.
 
ScoreZeGoals said:
That's just not true. Under Section 18-A.5 of the collective bargaining agreement, the commissioner can suspend Kane indefinitely pending a formal review due to the fact that he's under criminal investigation.
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True.

Rather or not the league is playing hockey the commish can suspend a player who is under criminal investigation and has done so in the recent past.
 
yea i'm sure they're in a huge rush to suspend one of the most popular players on one of the most popular teams in the league

cough double standards cough

seriously, the reaction of basically every hawks fan i know was "well yeah I knew he's a piece of ****, BUT..."
 
Elliotte Friedman recommended this article and he was right, it's a very interesting read

http://www.csnne.com/boston-bruins/boston-bruins-aim-in-new-season-reunite-a-divided-team

Brad Marchand quoted in the interview saying that the Bruins had a divided locker room last year and it caused major issues. Also, players, including Lucic, mentioning losing Boychuk really damaged the team, how they struggled after he left and how he was a huge leader in the locker room and they couldn't fill the void.


Brad Marchand told CSNNE.com in an exclusive interview last week that the 2014-15 Bruins were a divided team, and there was definitely a schism in the dressing room. The break was between players working furiously to get the B’s into the playoffs, as they'd done every year since 2007-08, and those who weren’t on board with that effort. Marchand didn’t name names or point fingers at anyone in particular, but it’s pretty easy to do the math when you look at some of the roster changes over the summer.
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From Marchand:

“We didn’t have all [the] guys going. It was very disappointing. It put a lot more pressure on guys that already had a lot of pressure on them. You’ve got to look at the guy beside you and know that he’s going to the job, and you’re going to do the same.â€
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The article mentions the divide seemed to be between the older player and younger ones. Vets wanting the kids to step up more and the kids feeling excluded. Losing someone like Boychuk, who (from what is said) was the unifer in the past, the active voice that kept the room intact, was a bigger impact than expected. (although it shouldn't have been, outsiders even knew how valuable he was )

I had read that Hamilton wanted out, and thus he was traded.
Hamilton and Reilly smith were two of the younger players the article mentions that gave up , didn't care and thus are gone. The flip side is Beleskey turning down more $$ to sign with the B's because he wanted in.

I was surprised that Marchand would be so open about the locker room usually that is a subject (differences/ problems/ issues) that players don't go public with.

Anyway, it will be curious to see how the changes work. I've watched them for years and last year they were 360 from the Bruins teams of the past, something was wrong. Hopefully, they get back on track, I imagine being on a team in a divided room is difficult.
 
Scottkmlps said:
Does this surprise anyone? :shakehead
http://nhl.nbcsports.com/2015/09/14/dreger-kane-likely-to-be-at-blackhawks-camp/
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It's Dreger's opinion, he is a reporter, he is not affiliated with the hawks and not their spokesperson, it was his 'opinion' only.

And I think the Hawks are waiting to see if the NHL makes a move first. I can't see the Hawks organization wanting Kane anywhere near the team/camp, it would not only be a HUGE distraction but it would create a media zoo.

I think the only correct move for them, for the NHl, the better of the team and the organization, is to suspend him.
 
Scottkmlps said:
Does this surprise anyone? :shakehead
http://nhl.nbcsports.com/2015/09/14/dreger-kane-likely-to-be-at-blackhawks-camp/
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Herby said:
I don't get your opinion on this one, you can't suspend someone for being under investigation.

If he is indicted by the grand jury and arrested he will be suspended immediately.
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They can suspend him even for the investigation. It's will they.
Here is the exact section of the CBA and the one they suspended Voynov under. Pg. 127
18-A.5
Criminal Investigation.
A Player subject to Commissioner Discipline for Off-Ice
Conduct may seek a reasonable delay in such proceedings in order to retain and seek the advice
of counsel in the event his conduct may also be subject to a criminal investigation by any
governmental authority, or in the event of an ongoing civil proceeding where the Player has been
named as a defendant. The League may suspend the Player pending the League's formal review
and disposition of the matter where the failure to suspend the Player during this period would
create a substantial risk of material harm to the legitimate interests and/or reputation of the
League
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And you can definitely argue this investigation poses a substantial risk to the reputation of the league.
 
I think this is an important part of that: "That said, Dreger also stated that we should know for sure in the next 24-48 hours."

I personally think, like with Voynov, it would be worse to have him with the team then potentially pulled off for trial/jail than it would to suspend him indefinitely while criminal proceedings are going on. And though charges haven't been levied, there is precedent with Voynov for the above.

It's not my Kings fandom that would make me mad about that, it's league consistency. Alleged DV = suspension, alleged rape or drunk driving and leaving the scene is okay till it plays through makes me puke.
 
Reclamation Project said:
Nill is overrated. People forget he isn't with the Red Wings anymore. Hockey has multiple parts - offense, defense, goaltending, coaching. Stars offense is average at best outside of a few really great players, the defense is physically painful to watch, the goaltending is one peg above the defense, and the coaching is average. Take Benn and Seguin off that team and they are nothing. Meanwhile the Kings have Kopitar, Carter, Toffoli, Pearson, Gaborik, Lewis, and Lucic.

Oduya is overrated on this board too. Martinez is far superior. He'll help the Stars no doubt, but he won't tip the scale very far.

Stars vs. Kings games are basically unwatchable because the Kings usually play like *****es for 50+ minutes. No hitting, no offensive pressure, no net front presence, and Quick usually gives up a softie or two.
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Nill has made some great deals though as GM.

The Seguin and Sharp deals were pretty solid.
 
Reclamation Project said:
Nill is overrated. People forget he isn't with the Red Wings anymore. Hockey has multiple parts - offense, defense, goaltending, coaching. Stars offense is average at best outside of a few really great players, the defense is physically painful to watch, the goaltending is one peg above the defense, and the coaching is average. Take Benn and Seguin off that team and they are nothing. Meanwhile the Kings have Kopitar, Carter, Toffoli, Pearson, Gaborik, Lewis, and Lucic.

Oduya is overrated on this board too. Martinez is far superior. He'll help the Stars no doubt, but he won't tip the scale very far.

Stars vs. Kings games are basically unwatchable because the Kings usually play like *****es for 50+ minutes. No hitting, no offensive pressure, no net front presence, and Quick usually gives up a softie or two.
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Brad Doty said:
I think this is an important part of that: "That said, Dreger also stated that we should know for sure in the next 24-48 hours."

I personally think, like with Voynov, it would be worse to have him with the team then potentially pulled off for trial/jail than it would to suspend him indefinitely while criminal proceedings are going on. And though charges haven't been levied, there is precedent with Voynov for the above.

It's not my Kings fandom that would make me mad about that, it's league consistency. Alleged DV = suspension, alleged rape or drunk driving and leaving the scene is okay till it plays through makes me puke.
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Totally agree . In the case of Kane , while not charged, under investigation for rape is a serious as can get and would follow the team around every corner. The league has to do it just to prevent a media **** storm and the distraction it would cause.Day one of training camp will be a zoo if not. Hell, the owner may do it anyway he's so mad right now.
 
Stanley Cup odds (via bodog.ca)
Chi 13/2
Ana 10/1
LA 10/1
NYR 10/1
TB 10/1
Pit 14/1
StL 14/1
Min 16/1
Mtl 18/1
Nsh 18/1
Wsh 18/1
 
deeshamrock said:
Elliotte Friedman recommended this article and he was right, it's a very interesting read

http://www.csnne.com/boston-bruins/boston-bruins-aim-in-new-season-reunite-a-divided-team

Brad Marchand quoted in the interview saying that the Bruins had a divided locker room last year and it caused major issues. Also, players, including Lucic, mentioning losing Boychuk really damaged the team, how they struggled after he left and how he was a huge leader in the locker room and they couldn't fill the void.




From Marchand:




The article mentions the divide seemed to be between the older player and younger ones. Vets wanting the kids to step up more and the kids feeling excluded. Losing someone like Boychuk, who (from what is said) was the unifer in the past, the active voice that kept the room intact, was a bigger impact than expected. (although it shouldn't have been, outsiders even knew how valuable he was )

I had read that Hamilton wanted out, and thus he was traded.
Hamilton and Reilly smith were two of the younger players the article mentions that gave up , didn't care and thus are gone. The flip side is Beleskey turning down more $$ to sign with the B's because he wanted in.

I was surprised that Marchand would be so open about the locker room usually that is a subject (differences/ problems/ issues) that players don't go public with.

Anyway, it will be curious to see how the changes work. I've watched them for years and last year they were 360 from the Bruins teams of the past, something was wrong. Hopefully, they get back on track, I imagine being on a team in a divided room is difficult.
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Boychuk is a huge reason why the Islanders are closer to being a contender than a bottom dweller. Can definitely see why his loss ruined the Bruin's team chemistry.
 
deeshamrock said:
Elliotte Friedman recommended this article and he was right, it's a very interesting read

http://www.csnne.com/boston-bruins/boston-bruins-aim-in-new-season-reunite-a-divided-team

Brad Marchand quoted in the interview saying that the Bruins had a divided locker room last year and it caused major issues. Also, players, including Lucic, mentioning losing Boychuk really damaged the team, how they struggled after he left and how he was a huge leader in the locker room and they couldn't fill the void.




From Marchand:




The article mentions the divide seemed to be between the older player and younger ones. Vets wanting the kids to step up more and the kids feeling excluded. Losing someone like Boychuk, who (from what is said) was the unifer in the past, the active voice that kept the room intact, was a bigger impact than expected. (although it shouldn't have been, outsiders even knew how valuable he was )

I had read that Hamilton wanted out, and thus he was traded.
Hamilton and Reilly smith were two of the younger players the article mentions that gave up , didn't care and thus are gone. The flip side is Beleskey turning down more $$ to sign with the B's because he wanted in.

I was surprised that Marchand would be so open about the locker room usually that is a subject (differences/ problems/ issues) that players don't go public with.

Anyway, it will be curious to see how the changes work. I've watched them for years and last year they were 360 from the Bruins teams of the past, something was wrong. Hopefully, they get back on track, I imagine being on a team in a divided room is difficult.
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Sounds like us losing Mitchell, tbh.
 
kingsfan28 said:
Stanley Cup odds (via bodog.ca)
Chi 13/2
Ana 10/1
LA 10/1
NYR 10/1
TB 10/1
Pit 14/1
StL 14/1
Min 16/1
Mtl 18/1
Nsh 18/1
Wsh 18/1
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Hate to say it but Anaheim at +1000 is pretty sick value for a team that was basically one win away last year, and returns most of their players in their prime. They are the favorites in the west, Chicago's odds are because of the massive size of the fan base and how much casual money will be put on them. No way with the loss of Saad, Sharp and the uncertainty with Kane are they on the level with Anaheim right now. Realistically their odds should be switched.

St. Louis at 14/1 is lighting money on fire.

I'm pretty bullish on Columbus this year, they are +1200 to win the East. They may be a year away but they have all the pieces to win that conference.

The Kings aren't a great value bet, I was expecting more like +1300 or +1400, but the books know the Kings could easily burn them to, sharp bettors know the Kings missing the playoffs was a fluke and they are a threat to beat any team with or without home ice.
 
I have heard the Stars broadcast on the replays before, their reaction when Nagy (who was horrendous for them the year before) scored was classic, they hacve a great broadcasting duo and you could just tell Razor wanted to say "Are you ***** kidding me"

It would be like Richards going to a bottom feeder like Arizona and doing that to the Kings, I'd love to hear our guys reaction.
 
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